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Old May 30th, 2017, 11:04 PM   #4381
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Robin Hood. Now there's a brand.

Imagine what a city like Manchester could do with that.

But we're doing OK, right?
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Old May 30th, 2017, 11:42 PM   #4382
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I think the preconception of 'poor crime ridden City' is one you like to propagate rather than anyone else; personally the people I know who live here and visit find it anything but poor or crime ridden and that's not what I see in the media either.

Accept the fact there's not an infinite amount of money to spread around; accept that we live in deeply uncertain economic/political times; accept the fact that no matter how much you want it to be otherwise Birmingham and Manchester's profile wasn't conjured up overnight by clever politicians or because they have better boundaries then us but that their profile dates back decades and more and try not to overlook that we're not actually doing too bad - the Guildhall proposals, the tram lines, our very cleverly designed art gallery, the incredible food and drink on offer. I could spend as much time praising Nottingham as you do pulling it down because nothing seems to impress you!

Ultimately accept that this is Nottingham not London nor Manchester nor Birmingham and that our City has many great benefits much as those cities aren't without faults either; it's not perfect but try to take the blinkers off once in a while hey and try to recognise some of the positives? We all know Broadmarsh is sh*t but repeating it like a broken record makes no discernible difference to anyone... There's plenty of development as you can see on Stig's map; you can dismiss it if you want but I see plenty of potential in those proposals.

And remember we have the best donut shop in the world (IMO!) - and it isn't Krispy Kreme either - that should make you happy!!
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Old May 30th, 2017, 11:52 PM   #4383
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I think the preconception of 'poor crime ridden City' is one you like to propagate rather than anyone else; personally the people I know who live here and visit find it anything but poor or crime ridden and that's not what I see in the media either.

Accept the fact there's not an infinite amount of money to spread around; accept that we live in deeply uncertain economic/political times; accept the fact that no matter how much you want it to be otherwise Birmingham and Manchester's profile wasn't conjured up overnight by clever politicians or because they have better boundaries then us but that their profile dates back decades and more and try not to overlook that we're not actually doing too bad - the Guildhall proposals, the tram lines, our very cleverly designed art gallery, the incredible food and drink on offer. I could spend as much time praising Nottingham as you do pulling it down because nothing seems to impress you!

Ultimately accept that this is Nottingham not London nor Manchester nor Birmingham and that our City has many great benefits much as those cities aren't without faults either; it's not perfect but try to take the blinkers off once in a while hey and try to recognise some of the positives? We all know Broadmarsh is sh*t but repeating it like a broken record makes no discernible difference to anyone... There's plenty of development as you can see on Stig's map; you can dismiss it if you want but I see plenty of potential in those proposals.

And remember we have the best donut shop in the world (IMO!) - and it isn't Krispy Kreme either - that should make you happy!!
Accept mediocrity for a donut.

No thanks.
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Old May 31st, 2017, 07:05 AM   #4384
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It's as I said before- look at Sheffield. Huge boundaries, and one of the lowest GDP per capita figures in the UK. Poor retail offer and substandard dining offer for its size. Plenty of dilapidation in the very centre. By your analysis it should be leading the pack, so why isn't it?
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Old May 31st, 2017, 08:19 PM   #4385
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It's as I said before- look at Sheffield. Huge boundaries, and one of the lowest GDP per capita figures in the UK. Poor retail offer and substandard dining offer for its size. Plenty of dilapidation in the very centre. By your analysis it should be leading the pack, so why isn't it?
What analysis?

Sheffield's boundaries are not huge. They are what you would expect them to be and represent what Sheffield is. Given how bad they're doing, presumably they're looking at downsizing and breaking the city up?

Leeds have huge boundaries (beyond what you would expect Leeds to have). How are they doing? Are they leading the pack in the 'overachieving' stakes?

Maybe. Who know's, its all subjective.

Regardless, it's about Nottingham.
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Old May 31st, 2017, 09:49 PM   #4386
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Spot on about Brand awareness.

Our brand awareness is 'small poor crime ridden city' thanks to our outdated city boundaries.

Yet according to most on here it doesn't matter.

And there are demonstrably a million and one excuses why other cities outperform us.

And they've all been used on here at one time or another.
It's definitely not excuses from me. Our council should be doing way more in terms of selling Nottingham, particularly around Robin Hood. But your point about there being no city outside London that has anything over Nottingham is still fantasy.

The Manchester metro area has almost 3 million people. Nottingham has maybe a third of that, or half even if you include Derby as a metro. Manchester has also had the incredible global exposure of: Man United, Oasis, the Commonwealth Games, even an Olympic bid! It's always been a bigger city than us and will receive investment/regeneration beyond what Nottingham does.

We should, however, be contrasting our performance with our peers which is Sheffield, Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol and Newcastle. And our performance against those is steady to poor.

We have laughably undersold our greatest asset, in Robin Hood. Council leaders should have mortgaged the family silver and toured the globe looking for an investor who would take on a tourist offer in the city. Hopefully this castle thing takes off.

We have been stuck in gridlock with a bloodthirsty vulture capitalist shopping operator, with our council impotent to make any changes to their plans besides waving through bad plan one after the other. We've been reduced to foraging for scraps from the investment table like a hungry dog. A door here. A window there as opposed to hiring a b*stard of a legal team to harass Intu into either doing a real job or getting the hell out of Nottingham.

We also have a number of key development sites still sat derelict after decades, (although are finally are seeing movement on most if not all of them).

However! I know for a fact Sheffield city centre is a disaster. Ask them about Sevenstone, a mega-plan 20 years in the making and never happening. Ask them about the Moor, a shocking hangover of a brutalist age only now receiving a lick of paint, or about Meadowhall strangling the city.

And how about Newcastle. Big and exciting on paper, but I know for a fact here is huge deprivation and some shocking planning and investment decisions, not least Eldon Square which I believe is operated by our old mates, Intu.

So no, we're not thriving, we're fighting a relegation battle each season. But your point seems to be we should be challenging for the champions league each season and that's just plain daft. Similar cities face similar challenges to us but I hope (pray!) that this new wave of investment we are hearing from the Guildhall to Eastside, Trent Basin, the Castle, the College and Broadmarsh will propel us back to a solid position in the core cities where we belong.

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Old June 12th, 2017, 05:15 PM   #4387
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Hundreds of jobs on the way as Imperial Tobacco site sold

Hundreds of jobs are set to be created after Henry Boot Developments revealed it has bought the Imperial Tobacco site on Thane Road, Nottingham.

Th company plans to redevelop the site following the end of cigarette manufacturing at the Horizon Factory in 2016 and its subsequent sale by Imperial’s parent company, Imperial Brands.

The 48-acre landmark site has been home to Imperial Tobacco’s UK production and distribution facility since the late 1960s. Following its purchase by Henry Boot Developments, Imperial Tobacco will remain in occupation on part of the site, with the remainder of the site being brought forward for redevelopment.

Henry Boot Developments is involved in several projects in the Midlands, with £600m worth of schemes being brought forward nationally over the next 24 months. Its current projects range from employment parks, such as Markham Vale at Junction 29a on the M1 in Derbyshire, to retail park developments including its Belgrave Road scheme in Leicester.

The Thane Road acquisition is the company’s first project in Nottingham since its 2007 redevelopment of the former Co-op store on Upper Parliament Street. The 220,000 sq ft scheme, known as the Axis, is home to Alea Casino, various retail and leisure operators, The Driving Standards Agency, and includes penthouse apartments on its upper floor.

Following the Horizon factory purchase, the company says it will announce other significant developments in the Nottingham area in the near future.

Justin Sheldon, regional manager at Henry Boot Developments, said: “Nottingham’s Imperial Tobacco site provides a superb opportunity for Henry Boot Developments in our continued expansion within the Midlands. We’ve worked closely with Imperial Brands and their disposal agent, JLL Nottingham, to maximize value whilst maintaining Imperial’s retained operational requirements on the site.

“Given its size, the site is capable of providing significant opportunities for Nottingham businesses, whether for expansion or for companies moving into the city, and it has the potential to generate hundreds of new jobs. Its proximity to the recently upgraded A453, the City Centre, and improving links with the soon to be completed Beeston link road through the Boots site, makes this one of the best locations in the region. We will work closely with Nottingham City Council in bringing forward our proposals.”

Ian King, Imperial Tobacco’s operations director Western Europe, added: “We’re proud of our Nottingham heritage, and our decision to end our manufacturing operations at the Horizon site was made with a heavy heart.

“It’s important to look forward however, and we’re delighted to have reached an agreement with Henry Boot Developments that ensures we leave a legacy which will continue to bring significant economic benefits to the city.”

Henry Boot Developments says it is already in discussions with a number of potential occupiers.

Imperial Brands was represented by JLL Nottingham and TLT Solicitors. Henry Boot was advised by Prew Lumley of Squires Patton Boggs.

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Old June 13th, 2017, 12:51 PM   #4388
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Can't wait to see that gorgeous building pulled down and replaced with some shitty noddy-box pitched roof office units and crinkly-tin sheds.

yay!
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Old June 13th, 2017, 01:09 PM   #4389
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I thought it was a listed building?
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Old June 13th, 2017, 02:23 PM   #4390
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I thought it was a listed building?
I think some heritage groups tried to list it, but it doesn't look like anything came of it:

https://historicengland.org.uk/listi...-entry/1433364
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Old June 13th, 2017, 03:56 PM   #4391
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Good. It has no value as a building and would lead to blight on the site for years to come.

Bring on the Noddy boxes!!
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Old June 14th, 2017, 06:52 PM   #4392
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Good. It has no value as a building and would lead to blight on the site for years to come.

Bring on the Noddy boxes!!
what a narrow minded view. Horizon Factory could easily accommodate a convention centre, hotel and offices with courtyards internally. Or a number of other uses. All too easy to sweep aside buildings and make the mistakes of the future.

The black Boy Hotel was deemed ugly and surplus to requirements by many.
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Old June 14th, 2017, 08:57 PM   #4393
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I'm with you Goose, but I don't think there's quite a comparison to be made here with the Black Boy. That was one of the crimes of the century to pull that down - there isn't even a debate, whereas replacing a factory is at least debatable.
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Old June 14th, 2017, 09:03 PM   #4394
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If it were to be kept would they ever be able to get the stench out of the place - it still stinks as you pass it and on warm days you can still taste the tar. The lack of outwards facing windows is going to make it a hard sell for many uses.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 01:29 PM   #4395
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what a narrow minded view. Horizon Factory could easily accommodate a convention centre, hotel and offices with courtyards internally. Or a number of other uses. All too easy to sweep aside buildings and make the mistakes of the future.

The black Boy Hotel was deemed ugly and surplus to requirements by many.
Would you want to stay in a hotel with no windows?
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Old June 15th, 2017, 01:53 PM   #4396
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Isnt that called a prison?

I'd like to see part of it retained and used,
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Old June 19th, 2017, 04:47 PM   #4397
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Would you want to stay in a hotel with no windows?
I don;t recall saying anything about the hotel having no windows. In fact I'm pretty sure I mentioned courtyards... Oh yes, I did :P . Convention centres don't need windows, hotels do. (although there are some in London which do not have them to many rooms!).
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Courtyards under a roof? Hotel Broadmarsh?
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Old June 20th, 2017, 04:46 PM   #4399
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Courtyards under a roof? Hotel Broadmarsh?
Jebus H Christ. You can cut holes in a building without it falling down you know?
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Lots of work going on regarding the Hilton. Big refurbishment I take it, anyone got more info?
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