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Old April 15th, 2014, 12:00 PM   #5581
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To an extent we agree, except that for me the UK is the unnecessary level in the middle, perhaps you might mention to the Danes that they really need to merge with Germany because they are missing that middle tier....
Cool...

So you'll be joining the Euro after a Yes vote and not wanting currency, research, defence unions, or the Monarchy or anything at all a UK level. It's all "unnecessary", of course.

If you think that, fair play to you. But the SNP doesn't. See...if the policies matched this rhetoric that'd be fine. As it is, they don't. We're in the position where, if there's a Yes majority, the people who will be arguing strongest for Scotland's independence will be the UK, not the Scottish Parliament!

Comparisons with Denmark and Germany are fine if Salmond was truly arguing for independence. As it is, he's not.
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Old April 15th, 2014, 12:32 PM   #5582
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So you'll be joining the Euro after a Yes vote
Incorrect, we will continue using Sterling after independence

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and not wanting currency
Of course we want a currency and will continue using Sterling.

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research
Scotland will continue to partipate in European and worldwide research as well as across these islands.

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defence unions
Scotland will be part of NATO and co-operate on defence matters, as any other sovereign state does around the world, with our partners and neighbours.

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or the Monarchy
Scotland will continue to have Elisabeth, Queen of Scots, as head of state after independence. She is currenrly head of state in Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc.

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or anything at all a UK level. It's all "unnecessary", of course.
The rUK and Scotland will continue to cooperate on items of mutual interest.

In ther same way as the British-Irish Council current contains two sovereign states it would then include three in the British-Irish-Scottish Council.

It also has partipicants not within UK from these islands (ie Isle of Man, Jersey).

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Old April 15th, 2014, 04:28 PM   #5583
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Cool...

So you'll be joining the Euro after a Yes vote and not wanting currency, research, defence unions, or the Monarchy or anything at all a UK level. It's all "unnecessary", of course.
We don't need to share a government to have any of these things.
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Old April 15th, 2014, 07:10 PM   #5584
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Stating assertion as fact there, Johnny.
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I'm neutral as far as independence goes - don't mind if you go, happy if you stay so hope you guys don't mind me asking a question or two?

Being in England there isn't much discussion about independence other than in the press or TV. and even then lots of other things are in front of it on the bulletins, for the average Joe it doesn't seem to register much at least no one I know ever mentions it.

However, up there it must be hotting up a bit so I wondered what Scots generally make of Alex Salmond's bluff, bluster and bullying remark when Osborne rejected a currency union.

Can't help but feel the UK government can't win in some ways if they comment from London they're preaching from on high and if they speak in Scotland they're lecturing Scots in their own country.

To me (if you ignore the bluff bit) it just seemed like pointing out a fact of life after a possible yes vote. Salmond must realise that the UK will negotiate for its own benefit so perhaps it's a case of trying to convince the voter that really a CU is going to happen no matter what politicians down south say?

It also seems to me that the way Salmond talks about Tory toffs (I'm no Tory by the way) and alleges bullying and the like doesn't sound very statesmanlike for a potential PM on the world stage and maybe makes him look like a petulant child?

As I said in England we aren't in the heat of it so maybe our perspective is very different?

Interested to hear any thoughts on this.
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Certainly there is bemusement over Salmond's wishful thinking on many issues here in England and his stock response of "bullying" whenever he's challenged or told someething's not his decision to take. iamafreeman's observations are perfectly valid.
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