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Old January 12th, 2018, 06:03 AM   #2141
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@Peteralt, no.
The locomotives bought for A1 are regular electric ones.
Anyway, we will know how Katz promises will turn out rather soon.
Personally, I find it hard to believe he would promise something like that without knowing that he can actually keep it one way or another.
What are they doing with the old ones? Transitioning them to the junk yard?

Also, will the current Jerusalem station along the old tracks remain open? Seems like a waste if they close it, or keep it open in its current alignment. They should straighten the tracks and extend it meet with A1 in the future. Even a light rail line connecting it to the A1 would be okay.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 09:28 AM   #2142
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No, they won't be transitioning them to the junk yard just yet.
Electrification of the whole network is going to take several years, so the diesel powered ones will continue serving us for a while longer.
Also at the end of the process, there will still be some lines served by diesel powered locomotives.
Eventually I guess, some of them will be sold to another country with a significant amount put on storage for emergency cases and yet some being put to use for moving goods.
The plans I heard are calling to convert the old line into a light rail up to Beit Shemesh.
The part up to Beit Shemesh will probably continue operating as is (maybe as a tourist line).
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Old January 12th, 2018, 01:54 PM   #2143
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No, they won't be transitioning them to the junk yard just yet.
Electrification of the whole network is going to take several years, so the diesel powered ones will continue serving us for a while longer.
Also at the end of the process, there will still be some lines served by diesel powered locomotives.
Eventually I guess, some of them will be sold to another country with a significant amount put on storage for emergency cases and yet some being put to use for moving goods.
The plans I heard are calling to convert the old line into a light rail up to Beit Shemesh.
The part up to Beit Shemesh will probably continue operating as is (maybe as a tourist line).
Isn’t the currently Jerusalem station fairly new? It seems like a total waste of money to decommission it. Would it function as a light rail station?
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Old January 12th, 2018, 03:46 PM   #2144
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It is funny how minister Katz must have read this forum
I proposed opening the line first up to Haganah station a long time ago (and I remember pretty much everybody telling me it wouldn't give any significant time.
Apparently the minister agrees with me on this one.

I still wonder how they are going to finish all the works (including laying tracks on Bridge number 10 and complete electrification up to Haganah station.
They will also need to bring at least two more electricity powered locomotives (there is currently only one).
So they need another one for operation with the third serving as backup for emergency).

@Robi Damian.
Sure its legal.
There were plenty of railway routes opened in recent years that had 3 months free of charge period.
Frankly, I think its stupid in this case (especially since he wants to inaugurate the line during Passover holidays and only with two trains per hour).
This is going to be a huge mess with huge crowds storming the trains.
In fact I suspect this is going to hurt commuters using Haganah station for whatever other destination as it is going to collapse under a huge influx of passengers who will want "to check out the new line".

And yeah there is alot of progress with electrification (you can check Tapuz forum in Hebrew, there is a guy there named GLSRA who regularly posts electrification updates).
There is still alot of work to complete though and very little time.
I really wonder how he is going to pull it off.
do you have a link to the tapuz site you mentioned?
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Old January 12th, 2018, 03:49 PM   #2145
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Sure, but its in Hebrew.
http://www.tapuz.co.il/Forums2008/Fo...orumId=394&r=1
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Old January 13th, 2018, 04:13 PM   #2146
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New Dudy Cohen video of the Red Line depot:

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Old January 13th, 2018, 05:49 PM   #2147
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The inevitable question.
What is that subway car present in the video?
Is it the real deal, or the mockup that was hosted on Rostschild beforehand?
If this is the real deal, then it means that NTA starting taking delivery of the subway trains for the line?
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Old January 13th, 2018, 05:55 PM   #2148
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Also from Shabatshtiot blog, pictures of a full length train (8 cars) with an electric powered locomotive doing trial runs along the completed part of A1.
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Old January 14th, 2018, 08:17 AM   #2149
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That's the visitors center in preparation.

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The inevitable question.
What is that subway car present in the video?
Is it the real deal, or the mockup that was hosted on Rostschild beforehand?
If this is the real deal, then it means that NTA starting taking delivery of the subway trains for the line?
A visitors center is set to open there.
When the demo train was put on rothchild blvd they said it would be relocated to a planned visitors center.
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Old January 14th, 2018, 11:57 AM   #2150
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Shaul Ha'melech LRT station in tel aviv

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Old January 14th, 2018, 07:13 PM   #2151
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Looks like they are covering the middle of the road with concrete plates in order to open this part for traffic sometime soon.
Then I guess, they will move on to working on the sides of the road.
Perhaps it will also help Begin road towers' construction.
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Old January 14th, 2018, 07:39 PM   #2152
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Tomorrow they start LRT works on Jerusalem blvd in Jaffa.
The work will be split into few steps where each time a different section will be blocked for private/public transportation.

They say the works will take 1 year, pretty optimistic if you ask me, and obviously it will include total transformation of the BLVD,
it will turn out pretty similar to Jaffa st. in Jerusalem.
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Old January 15th, 2018, 09:23 AM   #2153
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I am not sure what part of the works they include in this one year timetable.
Obviously its not all the works.
I guess if they really work hard, they could complete the preparation works for tracks laying.
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Old January 15th, 2018, 08:51 PM   #2154
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I’m at the Savidor Central Station in Tel Aviv right now and it looks like the new entrance is almost complete. It’s all lit up and fenced off. Looks like minor work is left. Probably will open any day now...
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Old January 16th, 2018, 08:02 PM   #2155
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So, the short ride from Anave to the tunnel under Park Canada made it to the news as a test run for the entire railway. Anyways, some papers are saying that there's a park and ride facility station at Shaar Hagai. Never heard of it's existence. Don't think it actually exists, because I would have known.
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Old January 16th, 2018, 11:34 PM   #2156
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There is no such facility as far as I know.
Perhaps they are planning to build one, to help with traffic along highway number 1?
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Old January 17th, 2018, 09:24 AM   #2157
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There is no such facility as far as I know.
Perhaps they are planning to build one, to help with traffic along highway number 1?
Ever since they turned part of the shoulder from Shaar Hagai to Latrun into a third lane, the congestion on the 1 has dropped dramatically. Also, I don't see that happening as long as there isn't any proper road access to where the railway actually is.
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Tomorrow they start LRT works on Jerusalem blvd in Jaffa.
The work will be split into few steps where each time a different section will be blocked for private/public transportation.

They say the works will take 1 year, pretty optimistic if you ask me, and obviously it will include total transformation of the BLVD,
it will turn out pretty similar to Jaffa st. in Jerusalem.
video: https://www.facebook.com/NTAIsrael/v...4803911948618/
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Also, they're trying to turn the old route to Jerusalem into a tram, which will also link to Jerusalem's existing light rail. Replacing the IC3s would make a huge difference. So now, Bet Shemesh residents will get a proper train to Jerusalem that will also extend beyond Malcha.
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