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Old October 22nd, 2013, 12:04 AM   #901
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These are a couple of years old now, but I thought a few internals might be of interest. Excuse the quality, it was a pretty much pitch black and we were tripping over each other!

Ah! Shame you didn't bring to our exhibition at the end of August.

In the worrying last hours for the public to object to this 'extension' by the end of tomorrow 22nd Oct...

Please do so and show support for our city!

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Old October 30th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #902
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Old November 13th, 2013, 04:37 PM   #903
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Very important news! The Public Meeting for London Road Fire Station planning permission extension is on Thursday 21st November and best to be there from 1:30pm. Please see the agenda. http://www.manchester.gov.uk/downloa...d_fire_station Be aware, it is very likely to be accepted and however depressing news that is, we need to show the community cares and desires better use for this building and a new CPO.

Any professional links, next year we want a think tank day of ideas, professionals and start community and professional research to encourage new bids for Planning Permission and have links to RIBA who want to help us. We also want a big procession early next year demanding change amongst other events.

Any firms could put in consecutive planning applications and that will be the goal to have better ideas to help the CPO, where as many opinions are taken into consideration.

Do keep share our facebook like page to build our audience https://www.facebook.com/FriendsofLRFS (we had to change from group to a like recently and so lost 700 members plus). We have 110 Friends which you can join with the view of being a voting member and to raise our funds on www.londonroadfire.org and twitter @manfirestation)
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Old November 13th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #904
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Hi Adam

Have you had any contact with the university about its plans for the redevelopment of the north campus. If you're looking for alternative uses it might be useful to know what one of the major landowners in the area have planned as it might lead to some ideas.
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Very important news! The Public Meeting for London Road Fire Station planning permission extension is on Thursday 21st November and best to be there from 1:30pm. Please see the agenda. http://www.manchester.gov.uk/downloa...d_fire_station Be aware, it is very likely to be accepted and however depressing news that is, we need to show the community cares and desires better use for this building and a new CPO.

Any professional links, next year we want a think tank day of ideas, professionals and start community and professional research to encourage new bids for Planning Permission and have links to RIBA who want to help us. We also want a big procession early next year demanding change amongst other events.

Any firms could put in consecutive planning applications and that will be the goal to have better ideas to help the CPO, where as many opinions are taken into consideration.

Do keep share our facebook like page to build our audience https://www.facebook.com/FriendsofLRFS (we had to change from group to a like recently and so lost 700 members plus). We have 110 Friends which you can join with the view of being a voting member and to raise our funds on www.londonroadfire.org and twitter @manfirestation)
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Old November 13th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #906
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What a bizarre statement from Britannia.

Apparently the development and opening of a considerable number of new hotels in the immediate area is regarded as consistent with the 'deterioration of the hotel market'.
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Perhaps AL is auditioning for the role of the Minister of Truth in the Hale Barns Players Christmas production of 1984?
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Old November 13th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #908
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Have you had any contact with the university about its plans for the redevelopment of the north campus. If you're looking for alternative uses it might be useful to know what one of the major landowners in the area have planned as it might lead to some ideas.
Hi Che! Rushing around like a blue ass flay today. Sounds a good idea we need to look into. We have good links with the University in the academic sense that will will need to utilise for projects and starting too build good designs. But I know some managers in UoM who hopefully could point me in the right direction for their redevelopment scheme! Unless you know of a contact of course?

As for a bizarre statement from Britannia about the market deterioration, absolutely at odds with Dominvs Employment Exchange scheme and Olympus within metres!

But then when you are Which? worst hotel chain 2013 by a BIG chunk of 14% 'lead' I cannot imagine THEIR industry is doing well! As well as being asbestos poisoners and Heritage Destroyers... and *possibly* a very shady and nasty man that DSMV would classify...

Well AL certainly does bizarre well! This whole extension process is pointless and offensive, as the CPO before it! No words... Actually two.

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Old November 13th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #909
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Studying this scandalous statement! What are your thoughts?

"http://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/15916/item_17_london_road_fire_station

In support of the proposals, the applicants have pointed out that in addition to
submitting these applications, they are in discussion with the City Council over a
revised scheme that would create more rooms and improve the overall viability of the
scheme. This, they say, has proved necessary in the context of an increasingly
challenging environment in which to bring forward a complex and high risk
development project. Although the hotel market has generally deteriorated since the
CPO inquiry several new hotels have opened in the immediate area, as well as
Manchester more generally, which adds further financial pressure on the
redevelopment of the Fire Station".
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Old November 13th, 2013, 10:27 PM   #910
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Britannia is very upset with someone, somewhere, and is making everyone suffer, I may have read it wrongly, but in there they say the scheme is not viable, that is not very encouraging.

I find it very difficult to understand, why, under the circumstances, the council cannot wrest this building from this incompetent, and devious company.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #911
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I think it's positive that they appear to be working with the council to adjust the scheme to get it moving. I think the second half makes them sound completely inept.
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Britannia is very upset with someone, somewhere, and is making everyone suffer, I may have read it wrongly, but in there they say the scheme is not viable, that is not very encouraging.

I find it very difficult to understand, why, under the circumstances, the council cannot wrest this building from this incompetent, and devious company.
I agree. They are saying this is unlikely to happen and stating excuses as to why it will not. That the Council could not grant the planning permission (also because true extent of damage is not known), or can go for a new CPO needs to happen.

The report is depressing when it says there seems "no way" to bind Britannia, so can they shirk any responsibility yet again?

Is the CPO the only next move and a public researched based planning permission for better use, that the Council should be supporting or at least helping with?

"With regard to English Heritage's suggestion of a planning obligation to ensure a programme of implementation, Circular 11/95 states that a condition requiring that the whole of the development permitted be completed is likely to be difficult to enforce and conditions requiring the completion of the whole of a development should therefore not normally be imposed. Similar difficulties would arise in relation to S106 agreements. The City Council will continue its efforts to encourage the applicant to implement the scheme for which permission is sought".
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Old November 13th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #913
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I think it's positive that they appear to be working with the council to adjust the scheme to get it moving. I think the second half makes them sound completely inept.
I do not believe they are at all. There is much speculation of a BIG personal rivalry and rift between CEO of the Council and Alex Langsam. Speculation but many influential people have said so 'off the record'.

Also the Friends received an email which is mentioned in the report from a still acting manager of the Britannia Group saying he has had conversations with CEO who has NO intention ever acting on the Planning Permission. We did not verify but forwarded to them and the fact it is in the report is telling! We did not know if a trap or not so sent, but the name added up!

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"There is anecdotal evidence from someone who worked for Britannia to
suggest that Britannia never intended to carry out any works and approving
the application will allow the building to continue to decline"
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Old November 20th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #914
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For the depressingly likely outcome tomorrow, despite Britannia basically saying the development is not viable, will Manchester City Council have a better strategy to prove public interest or allow Britannia to continue to win this game of cat and mouse?

From Manchester Evening News tonight. Tomorrow our Chair Emma Curtin will give the 3 minute speech.

Though many will be in work, any public support is welcome at
Planning and Highways Committee, Date: Thursday 21 November 2013, Time: 2.00 pm
Venue: Council Chamber, Level 2, Town Hall Extension.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....igners-6324274

London Road Fire Station campaigners anger after councillors say hotel chain can have more time
20 Nov 2013 15:44
The historic Piccadilly building has lain empty for 27 years – but Britannia say they are not yet ready to start work.

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Campaigners fighting to save London Road Fire Station have reacted with fury after learning the council has recommended owners Britannia are given MORE time to convert it into a hotel.

The historic Piccadilly building has lain empty for 27 years – but Britannia say they are not yet ready to start work.

Council planning officers have recommended the chain's application to extend their planning permission to create a 227 room hotel is approved.

The decision will be taken by councillors at a planning committee meeting held tomorrow [Thurs 21].

But members of campaign group Friends of London Fire Station have slammed the recommendation as 'hugely frustrating'.

Friends group spokeswoman Emma Curtin said: “We can have no faith in Britannia’s commitment to the building until they change their approach.

"They could challenge these negative attitudes by engaging in proper public consultation over their revised scheme or by committing to an implementation agreement, with sanctions for delay.

“Britannia is the custodian of this Grade II* listed heritage asset of international significance.

"Why they won’t accept their civic duty to save or sell the building remains a mystery.

"It is hugely frustrating."

English Heritage also said they were 'surprised' at the decision to apply for an extension as they had been told by Britannia three years ago that the hotel scheme was not financially viable.

The current plans submitted by Britannia would see the fire station converted into a four star, 227-room hotel with a 300-seat restaurant plus event space, bistro and two bars.

The Grade II listed fire station has been the subject of planning wrangles for years – including a £1.5M failed compulsory purchase order by the council in 2011.

Last year Britannia said they felt they were treated unfairly by council. They claimed the dispute, eventually decided by central Government in their favour, delayed them starting work on the project.

A council spokesman said: "We share the Friends of London Road's strong desire to see this fine heritage building back in use and making a positive contribution to the regeneration of the area.

"It is a matter of great concern that the previous planning application has not been acted upon and we are determined to do all we can to encourage progress.

"Despite Britannia's previous record, we are legally obliged to assess each application based on whether it meets planning guidelines."
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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:39 PM   #915
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Old November 21st, 2013, 05:56 PM   #916
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Good news. They should be able to see how it's not been looked after properly and indeed, being deliberately left to rot in many people's opinions, including mine.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 08:14 PM   #917
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Good news. They should be able to see how it's not been looked after properly and indeed, being deliberately left to rot in many people's opinions, including mine.
Thanks all. A surreal day! (& then to top it off our committee member Bob Bonner who wrote the Finest Fire Station in the Round World gets stuck on a smoking train http://t.co/OHVJJfpxLn)!

We have Freedom of Information requests put in with help of Heritage Experts so hope they are back before the next planning meeting which could be December but more likely January.

Our poor Chair Architect Emma Curtin had a killer speech prepared. But we get there. The microphones are broken and 'screaming'. The start was delayed by a good forty minutes. We all have to move to a different room and then told it will not be heard due to this onsite visit.

But the good news is that the massive gap of 20 years no maintenance, the surveys that were not complete for the CPO Appeal hearing, the "shameful neglect" English Heritage noted and the wild estimations of damage that varies by 10 million due to the unknown surveys!!!

I will probably post FOI's on here or anyone wanting to help go through with a fine comb, do email [email protected]@londonroadfire.org

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Press Release today and only a brief one

Friends of London Road Fire Station celebrate as councillors demand site visit before considering planning extension

The Friends of London Road Fire Station are celebrating tonight after Manchester Planning Committee was obliged to defer Britannia Hotels’ application to extend its planning permission to convert the Grade-II* listed building into a hotel.

The deferment was triggered by planning committee councillors demanding to visit the site before they consider Britannia’s application.

The Friends, who oppose the application, said: “We welcome the decision to defer proceedings at this stage. We have said all along that a fresh survey needs to be carried out before the planning committee can make any decisions. While this is only an inspection and not a survey, it indicates that Manchester City Council and the Planning Committee are taking our views seriously regarding the future of this important heritage asset.

“The deferment means the Planning Committee are not just rubberstamping Britannia’s application. We hope that this site visit will reinforce our argument that new condition surveys of the building are required in order to make a decision. The surveys submitted with the application are from 2010 and are lacking significant information.”

The campaigners stressed that while the Planning Committee can presently only consider the application on technical grounds, there was a strong moral case for ending decades of neglect and a civic duty to bring the building back into public use as soon as possible after restoration has been carried out.
Emma Curtin, Chair of the Friends, added: “We are delighted by the Planning Committee’s decision to defer and we confirm we will be attending the next planning hearing and making our oral objections once again to Britannia’s proposals.”

The Friends have gathered close to 4,000 signatures on their petition demanding a new CPO for the building, and say that despite today’s welcome outcome they will keep up the pressure on Manchester City Council to ensure there is no further planning stalemate.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 08:31 PM   #918
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Well done guys ,it will be interesting to see if Britannia are confident that they can get the extension without having people all over it like a rash trying to tart up the old girl.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 09:15 PM   #919
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Well done guys ,it will be interesting to see if Britannia are confident that they can get the extension without having people all over it like a rash trying to tart up the old girl.
Britannia will deny there's anything wrong! Well as soon as the FOI come, I will make public information!
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Old November 21st, 2013, 09:48 PM   #920
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Well..... this is interesting. I wasn't expecting that.

On the face of it, there does not seem to be any legal ground on which a planning permission extension can be rejected.

Maybe the planning committee believe if the building is in a bad condition - which we all know it is from the broken windows, falling tiles and tarpaulin sheets in the courtyard - then they do have grounds to reject the extension if they believe Britannia are not serious about redeveloping the building soonish.

I just hope this 'visit' simply isn't lip service or a tokenistic gesture (creates false hope for us) which will have no affect on the outcome of the decision.
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