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Old January 28th, 2013, 12:28 AM   #61
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Who cares about hockey, when the Sonics are coming back? I imagine KeyArena will probably at least get a new scoreboard before next season.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 01:45 AM   #62
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The NFL brings in $3 billion a year.
MLB brings in $1.5 billion a year
NBA brings in $930 million a year
NHL brings in $200 million a year
Wow so no one cares about Hockey then, all those thousands and tens of thousands that attend games don't care?

NHL out draws the NBA in a lot of cities, guess if you go by asses in the seats, no one cares about the NBA.

Put it another way, most NHL teams play to capacity crowds on a nightly basis. What about baseball? Lots of empty seats in a lot of stadiums. Guess no one cares about Baseball then?

Everyone knows in this forum that you have two hard on's mark. baseball in Seattle and the NBA in Seattle. Enjoy your baseball......
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Old January 28th, 2013, 07:58 AM   #63
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Aren't you guys aware that mrak's poop doesn't stink?
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Old January 28th, 2013, 08:28 AM   #64
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Avid hockey fan here with no problem admiting that the NHL comes 4th on the list of favorite pro team sports in the US. But that being said, we're hardly insignificant. The lockout this year was mostly due to the fact that they made a very handsome chunk of change the previous season.

2011 revenues were thus:
NFL: $11bil
MLB: $7bil
NBA: $4.3bil
NHL: $3.3bil
MLS: $0.3bil

Still 4th, but hardly in the dust (definitely not lagging behind like MLS).

Lots of people like to bring up attendance, but that is hardly a league money maker and, due to differences in scheduling and stadiums, is a very apples to oranges comparison.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 09:35 AM   #65
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Who cares about hockey? About as many people who care for baseball in a lot of cities, or NBA, or even football......
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NBC paid about $40 for the NHL rights, so you're actually wrong there. The NHL tv deal is microscopic compared to the other sports.
What does the League's decision to sign a stupid TV deal have to do with fan interest?!

2011-12 NHL attendance average for all teams: 17,455
2011-12 NBA attendance average for all teams: 17,274

In cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Minneapolis, St Louis, and Pittsburgh hockey is MORE popular than basketball, and in cities like New York and Chicago and L.A., both sports sell out every game.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #66
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Wow so no one cares about Hockey then, all those thousands and tens of thousands that attend games don't care?

NHL out draws the NBA in a lot of cities, guess if you go by asses in the seats, no one cares about the NBA.

Put it another way, most NHL teams play to capacity crowds on a nightly basis. What about baseball? Lots of empty seats in a lot of stadiums. Guess no one cares about Baseball then?

Everyone knows in this forum that you have two hard on's mark. baseball in Seattle and the NBA in Seattle. Enjoy your baseball......
Thanks. I will.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #67
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What does the League's decision to sign a stupid TV deal have to do with fan interest?!

2011-12 NHL attendance average for all teams: 17,455
2011-12 NBA attendance average for all teams: 17,274

In cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Minneapolis, St Louis, and Pittsburgh hockey is MORE popular than basketball, and in cities like New York and Chicago and L.A., both sports sell out every game.
Everything. It has everything to do with fan interest. Obviously, hockey, including the NHL, IHL, ECHL etc., has many fans, it just lags behind the other leagues overall. Why deny it? KeyArena isn't hosting any meaningful hockey, now or in the future, so again who cares? Nobody is forcing you not to like hockey or not to be a hockey fan, but in this thread, about this building, who cares?
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Old January 28th, 2013, 11:48 AM   #68
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Everything. It has everything to do with fan interest. Obviously, hockey, including the NHL, IHL, ECHL etc., has many fans, it just lags behind the other leagues overall. Why deny it?
Why deny it? Because last year more people attended NHL games than NBA games. That fact speaks for itself about fan interest. The fans had NOTHING to do with choosing the TV contract, but had EVERYTHING to do with attending games.

Even more impressive when you take into account that the NHL has much less U.S. national TV exposure than the NBA does.

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Old January 29th, 2013, 01:15 AM   #69
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Even more impressive when you take into account that the NHL has much less U.S. national TV exposure than the NBA does.
That's the whole point, it has less exposure for a reason. Television means everything. Also, don't hijack this thread to talk hockey. This is about the Sonics' home, KeyArena, not hockey.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #70
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This is easy. The best measure of a sport's popularity is the amount of total revenue it generates, because that is the broadest measure of how much a society is willing to invest in entertaining itself with a particular sport. Arguing about TV ratings, attendance, sponsorship, etc. is pointless. In the US, the NHL is about half as popular as the NBA, as about 1/3 of that $3.3 billion is coming from Canada. The NHL is about 30% as popular as Major League Baseball, and 20% as popular as the NFL. There is really no other way to argue this point; total revenue generated is the most complete way to compare the relative popularity of leagues. To me, these percentage comparisons seem completely rational. MLB and NHL are better sports to watch in person, and Basketball and Football are relatively better televised. This sounds simplistic, but baseballs and hockey pucks are small, basketballs and footballs are big, hence a better TV experience.

Regarding the Seattle Arena, here is something I drew up (The Emerald Arena). I'm not a huge fan of the exterior of the proposed arena. It just looks like metal bars and maybe there is an arena in there somewhere. These drawings I made aren't pro level; obvious refinement is necessary. But I thought it was a neat idea and could make a nice landmark for the city.






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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #71
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:31 PM   #72
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So if 1 billionaire spends 100M on yachting then it's more popular than a sport where 10M people spend $9 each. An interesting perversion of the word "popular".

And beach volleyball tournaments should outnumber and outdraw tennis or golf tournaments on TV based on ball size?
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #73
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temporary improvements

Before the Sonics play their first game back at KeyArena, the building will need to undergo some upgrades, mainly cosmetic. I've read that Hansen has pledged $7 million for KeyArena improvements, and I've also read that improvements could cost in the neighborhood of $12-$15 million. Improvements include possible new lower bowl seating, new premium courtside seating, concessions upgrades, disability accessibilty, making the place HD capable, possible scoreboard upgrades and other various capital improvements. I also read that the Sonics old court is in Oklahoma, that doesn't seem to make much sense, unless it's there, in pieces. I cannot imagine the court the Thunder currently play on is the same onw from KeyArena, but with Bennett, anything is possible.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #74
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Being less popular than something doesn't equate to being unpopular or irrelevant. Just because U2 sells out huge shows compared to, say, The Killers doesn't mean the latter group hasn't sold millions of albums and drawn huge legions of fans. One thing can simply be more popular. Simple as.


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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #75
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So if 1 billionaire spends 100M on yachting then it's more popular than a sport where 10M people spend $9 each. An interesting perversion of the word "popular".

And beach volleyball tournaments should outnumber and outdraw tennis or golf tournaments on TV based on ball size?
This would sum up my response to invoking yachting in the discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
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Old April 30th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #76
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To the shock of nobody, KeyArena will once again be home to a NBA team for the '13/'14 season
Shocking, ain't it?
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Shocking, ain't it?
Congrats to Sacramento on apparently holding on to the Kings despite a superior bid from the Seattle group. Love KeyArena!
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Old April 30th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #78
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That's the whole point, it has less exposure for a reason. Television means everything.
That's only because ESPN barely even mentions hockey as a sport, even though the NHL has the deepest talent pool of players in all of the "Big 4 US sports", as well as one of the deepest talent pool of players in the leagues entirety since the early 80's to early 90's era of players.

While at the same time, ESPN pumps up basketball, even though the NBA has THE MOST SHALLOW talent pool of players of the "Big 4 US Sports", and the most shallow talent pool of players in the all of the history of the league.

I used to like basketball a lot back in the day. But since all of these weak, prissy, entitled school girls that are the so called "superstars" that cry for a foul if they even get breathed on (ex. LeBron, Durant, Howard, Rose, Bynum, etc.) entered into the sport; and real players that have the "go hard or go home" mentality like Jordan, Iverson, Barkley, Bird, Magic and Kobe are now few and far between, I just have come to loathe the game of basketball.
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Old May 6th, 2013, 08:41 PM   #79
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NBA Board of Governors to meet May 15, in Dallas, to decide Kings fate.
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A few days late but it was the 20th anniversary of the eight-seeded Nuggets upsetting the top-seeded Sonics in the first round of the 1994 NBA Playoffs. It was also the last game at the Seattle Center before it was renovated and renamed KeyArena.

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