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Old January 27th, 2016, 09:42 AM   #1
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OTTAWA - New Senators NHL Arena at LeBreton Flats (18,500)

Proposals unveiled for Sens' new home

Two multi-billion dollar proposals for the redevelopment of Ottawa's LeBreton flats were officially unveiled to the public by the National Capital Commission on Tuesday, with both of them including plans for NHL-sized arenas.

Bids from Rendezvous LeBreton group (which includes owner Eugene Melnyk and Senators Sports & Entertainment - SSE) and Devcore Candarel DLS group were made available after months of speculation as part of a bidding process that began in September 2014.

Both proposals also feature plans for a new Public Library, green space and new residential properties. The winning bid won't be announced until early 2017.



Devcore arena top, Rendezvous arena bottom


Here's the government web page with links to PDFs and video of both proposals.



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Old January 27th, 2016, 09:03 PM   #2
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they need a new arena already? how old is the present one? 20 years or so..
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Old January 27th, 2016, 10:38 PM   #3
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Old January 28th, 2016, 03:57 AM   #4
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they need a new arena already? how old is the present one? 20 years or so..
My guess is two-fold:
1. The Canadian Tire Centre is located 25 km or 15.5 miles southwest of the LeBreton Flats in Ottawa. I have never been to Ottawa, but from Google Maps, it appears that much of the population would have to travel a bit to get to games at the current arena. Obviously, in pre-1996 when they decided to build the arena outside the urban Ottawa, it made more sense. However, in today's day and age, unless you are the Atlanta Braves, many teams want to be located in an urban setting.
2. While 20 years is "young" by stadium terms, they are playing in an arena that is now older than 50+% of NHL arenas. Likewise, a few other teams that play in older arenas are currently building new ones (ie: Edmonton & Detroit)

So, while I agree it is ridiculous to replace a venue that opened in 1996 already, I do also understand that they need to keep up with the other cities.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 11:36 PM   #5
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So arenas don't last very long anymore? I guess the Sabres need to start thinking about tearing down the First Niagara Center now. lol.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 05:42 PM   #6
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My guess is that hockey fans want to attend games in venues that are closer to a city's downtown core.

Anyone notice that the MTS Centre and the new Rogers Place are located within the heart of downtown Winnipeg and downtown Edmonton, respectively?
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Old January 31st, 2016, 07:29 PM   #7
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So arenas don't last very long anymore? I guess the Sabres need to start thinking about tearing down the First Niagara Center now. lol.
Is the First Niagara Center 20 miles away from downtown Buffalo?
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No, the first Niagara Center is in a great location for downtown Buffalo. I think the Pegulas would be interested in putting the new Bills stadium in the same vicinity as the FNC.

Also, look to the Arizona Coyotes, a team which had their new arena built in 2003, to possibly do the same thing as Ottawa. Go back with Suns, but not at the old arena downtown. Instead build a new one downtown Phoenix rather than play out of the major centre in Glendale.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 06:43 AM   #9
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The issue is more with location than age of the existing arena, yes. People have complained about the location since it opened 20 years ago. Every single Canadian NHL rink is in the downtown (well, Calgary is kind of in it) or is building one downtown (Edmonton). The Canadian Tire Centre needs some major midlife cash anyway, they may as well spend a bit more and get a downtown spot while they are at it.

Ottawa is building a new LRT/subway network right now too, which means it will be a lot easier to get to downtown games than it was in 1996.
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No, the first Niagara Center is in a great location for downtown Buffalo. I think the Pegulas would be interested in putting the new Bills stadium in the same vicinity as the FNC.

Also, look to the Arizona Coyotes, a team which had their new arena built in 2003, to possibly do the same thing as Ottawa. Go back with Suns, but not at the old arena downtown. Instead build a new one downtown Phoenix rather than play out of the major centre in Glendale.
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Old March 4th, 2016, 07:57 PM   #11
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The issue is more with location than age of the existing arena, yes. People have complained about the location since it opened 20 years ago.

Ottawa is building a new LRT/subway network right now too, which means it will be a lot easier to get to downtown games than it was in 1996.
The need to spark greater future usage of the LRT system is a huge factor. It's a big cost/investment and it requires ridership to make it work. This is a project that would drive ridership throughout the year and help bring increased foot traffic into the Sparks St. area and overall downtown core.

Not factoring in playoffs, there are roughly 46 NHL games minimum each year plus a greater potential to use it for a minimum of 40 '67s junior hockey games (natural venue for rotation of Memorial Cup or World Junior tournaments) and concerts or other commercial/entertainment events. You could easily get north of 150 event dates annually plus high-profile one-offs. They project even more.

It strikes me that there will only be one outcome here. The Devcore bid is being used as a stalking horse to get the Melnyk group's bid up to a higher level. At the end of the day, Melnyk holds the high cards as he is not compelled to move his hockey club, the key tenant in this project, out of an arena he already owns and operates.

The projected usage, with the Sens in house, appeases the politicians who have to approve public expenditure. No chance they spend big coin to build the transit lines out to Kanata just to service Senators fans.

The underlying plot line in all of this is some pissy local politics. If the arena and operations deal is awarded to Eugene Melnyk, et al, he gets to come in from the hinterland and begin to chip away at the group running Lansdowne Park, who won a stadium battle to deprive him of the chance to establish a MLS franchise for Ottawa.

The city has let the civic arena, where the '67s play, decay into a dreadful, semi-condemned state. Why spend good money on an awkward venue when this far more attractive, financially responsible, option is around the corner?

Jeff Hunt, owner of the '67s and part of the Redblacks CFL consortium, will have his feet held to the fire if this arena deal comes under the control of Melnyk. And why wouldn't it? He's the biggest source of revenue for the building.

Likely scenario is that the boy Hunt sells the junior club to Melnyk - who should demand Hunt pay for new promotional Hummers - and the two hockey operations align commercially much like the Flames-Hitmen deal in Calgary.
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Old June 14th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #12
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http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/rendezvous-...lats-1.2752865
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In a major victory that could be as important as winning the franchise itself, the owner of the Ottawa Senators Eugene Melnyk has won the right to negotiate with the National Capital Commission, to bring his team to downtown Ottawa.

Melnyk’s Rendezvous Lebreton group beat a rival group lead by Cirque du Soleil founder Guy Laliberte. In an exhaustive review of both bids the NCC said the Senator’s backed bid made more sense, and scored higher for a variety of reasons.

This is one major step in a long process, but the Senators group promised in their bid that a new arena would be ready for the puck to drop by September of 2021.
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NHL commissioner Gary Bettman says Ottawa Senators need a new home
http://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/n...eed-a-new-home

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Attendance has slipped at the Canadian Tire Centre in Kanata, and that’s seen as an indication the club needs a new home.

“A new downtown arena is vitally important to the long-term future, stability and competitiveness of the Senators,” Bettman said. “The process is ongoing, but I think asking Mr. Melnyk or the Senators the status would be more appropriate than asking us.

“However, we believe there needs to be a solution for the long term.”

Negotiations over LeBreton Flats redevelopment have been done in virtual silence because the National Capital Commission and the Senators want to get this across the finish line as quickly as possible, clearing the way for construction and eventually allowing the NHL team to move downtown.
It's kind of surprising to see attendance slipping since they have a pretty good team on the ice, but I guess it shows that suburban arenas are becoming an issue now a days. Here's an article about that: https://www.thestar.com/sports/break...m-for-nhl.html
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