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Old April 28th, 2016, 12:58 AM   #21
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MLS commissioner: We're going to work 'very hard' to make Detroit work
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Old April 28th, 2016, 02:34 AM   #23
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Sure, bring Detroit in. Just a mistake making the renders look that good. When it's a fifth of said design, they'll be plenty of disappointed people.

But yeah, Detroit ticks a lot of the boxes. Large city, large TV market, and it's in the Midwest. Whether there'll be fans is another story altogether. DCFC have a nice little fanbase, but there'll be a lot of work that would need to be done to make this a homerun like some of the most recent additions.

Of the 2,130 votes so far on the site, 87% of respondents said they wanted an MLS team. I suspect that's because it's mostly soccer people clicking on this. Though proposed soccer stadiums for new markets tend to bring out the bigots usually.

PS: The exchange between Gores and Gilbert on Twitter... *cringe*
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Old April 28th, 2016, 08:54 AM   #24
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Sure, bring Detroit in. Just a mistake making the renders look that good. When it's a fifth of said design, they'll be plenty of disappointed people.
Well, accept there is currently another stadium (for the Red Wings) almost identical in concept to this one that's basically turned out what was originally imagined. I see no reason why this concept would end up significantly different from what is proposed. The whole concept is in the whole vein as the Red Wings Detroit Events Center under construction, so it's not as if there is no precedent for this. Given that it's Detroit, they'll probably end up using a lot of the same firms and contractors to build it if it becomes reality.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 04:43 PM   #25
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- For those questioning the seemingly quick and surprising efforts to put MLS in places like St. Louis and Detroit, a) give MLS a little credit in that they've come a loooong way these past 10 years and as such deserve the chance to keep making decisions on expansion under current leadership and vision, b) recall that from this point forward national TV contracts are the only way MLS can make the next few steps up in pedigree, and because of that they NEED large markets that are appealing to broadcasters and sponsors. Soccer still has a long way to go but all things being equal ESPN would rather feature Detroit vs. Dallas as opposed to Louisville vs Austin.

"This is business. It's not personal."

- To our Detroit connections on the board, how do the potential sites work out for a possible stadium? Any traffic issues or conflicting adjoining land uses?

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Most of the NASL and USL teams have been playing for 10 years, Richmond and Charleston have been playing since 93. I know 2 years is big in America, but I just get so confused about why these teams putting their time in don't get a fair shot at an MLS bid.
I love the Battery and Charleston but their owners have admitted MLS is beyond their pocket books. I doubt teams like them, the Kickers or other "historic" US teams in smaller have the $150M+ that would be needed to pay the entrance fee and upgrade facilities to compete at the modern MLS standard. Atlanta United is building a $60M training complex and most (all?) MLS sides will have full on development academies by 2018. These teams need markets with heavy hitting financial customers and a market reach beyond what most smaller metro areas can sustain.

If/ When MLS is on such solid ground that the TV money won't blink at having a small market in the mix, then maybe the league can be more open to such cities. For now, however, everything about MLS' expansion push is oriented around getting more eyes onto their national telecasts.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 06:08 PM   #26
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- To our Detroit connections on the board, how do the potential sites work out for a possible stadium? Any traffic issues or conflicting adjoining land uses?
This is the only site, they will either make this work at the fail jail site or there won't be a stadium. It's basically more of a real estate deal than just building an MLS stadium. Which is why I think the design won't change and there's zero chance of them going cheap if this project is approved. Gilbert owns a lot of property downtown and he doesn't want the jail to be built in front of his casino. He's also a big sports fan and has expressed interest in owning a Detroit team. Since none are available, this seems like his best option and in the process it would help him get rid of the jail.

As far as the parking goes, here's a parking map of the area (stadium would be at the bottom right):


Also, right behind the stadium site is the Greektown Casino parking garage.


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Garber said the meeting with city, state and county officials here is among nearly a couple dozen the league has had as it works to expand its team base.

“We are not going to make a commitment to come here unless we know we have an ownership group in place. We feel we have that part settled,” he said. “We certainly are not going to come to a market unless we know there’s a great, vibrant, passionate growing fan base. We feel comfortable about that. And, the third piece of the puzzle, which is an important one, is the stadium.”

Garber said the league is focused on Detroit and it’s been able to get things done when it’s what the public and private sectors and fans wanted.

“Be assured, we’re all going to be working hard to see if we can figure it out,” he said.

Evans said he’s not ruling out the possibility of a soccer stadium on the site of the unfinished jail but wants his concerns to be addressed. He made his position known to the soccer stadium’s backers, he said.

“I can’t afford for Wayne County taxpayers to pay any more than what’s already on the table,” he said. “There’s clearly going to be a discrepancy. It’s going to cost more with this project than it will to finish the existing site. If someone comes up with the money to cover that gap, and we can do it in the existing time frame, we’ll certainly look at it. I mean who wouldn’t want have Major League Soccer in Detroit.”
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/spo...team/83597528/

I have a hard time believing they won't come up with a solution that benefits both parties. The simple fact is Gilbert and Gores need to make it possible for the county to replace the jail. Especially if it can be done for equal or less cost than finishing it on the current site.
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Old April 29th, 2016, 03:20 AM   #27
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Well, accept there is currently another stadium (for the Red Wings) almost identical in concept to this one that's basically turned out what was originally imagined. I see no reason why this concept would end up significantly different from what is proposed. The whole concept is in the whole vein as the Red Wings Detroit Events Center under construction, so it's not as if there is no precedent for this. Given that it's Detroit, they'll probably end up using a lot of the same firms and contractors to build it if it becomes reality.
I take it you don't follow MLS.

These renders are coming to light despite no financing deals in place = when they find that there isn't the kind of money necessary to build that concept, it'll be downgraded. It's happened before in MLS, and it'll happen again.
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Old April 29th, 2016, 03:38 AM   #28
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So that basically leaves four cities: St. Louis, San Antonio, Austin, and San Diego to fight it out for the last two spots. Not sure where the money is going to come from in St. Louis and San Diego respectively.

Interesting that Indy is going to get passed over.
Forget San Diego and Austin.

No where near ready as St.Louis, Detroit, and Sacramento.
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Old April 29th, 2016, 03:44 AM   #29
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These renders are coming to light despite no financing deals in place = when they find that there isn't the kind of money necessary to build that concept, it'll be downgraded. It's happened before in MLS, and it'll happen again.
Gilbert and Gores are worth billions. Building an MLS stadium is chump change for them. If this was only about soccer, they would have chosen another site.

They also have Rossetti working on this project, who have a lot of experience with soccer stadiums.

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"This isn't just about an MLS stadium," Rossetti said. "It's about a grander vision and one that is composing a sports and entertainment district. Obviously a Major League Soccer stadium will be a key anchor, but there's going to be multiple uses."
See 7 other soccer stadiums Detroit-based Rossetti designed
http://www.freep.com/story/money/bus...ccer/83612172/
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- For those questioning the seemingly quick and surprising efforts to put MLS in places like St. Louis and Detroit, a) give MLS a little credit in that they've come a loooong way these past 10 years and as such deserve the chance to keep making decisions on expansion under current leadership and vision, b) recall that from this point forward national TV contracts are the only way MLS can make the next few steps up in pedigree, and because of that they NEED large markets that are appealing to broadcasters and sponsors. Soccer still has a long way to go but all things being equal ESPN would rather feature Detroit vs. Dallas as opposed to Louisville vs Austin.

"This is business. It's not personal."

- To our Detroit connections on the board, how do the potential sites work out for a possible stadium? Any traffic issues or conflicting adjoining land uses?


I love the Battery and Charleston but their owners have admitted MLS is beyond their pocket books. I doubt teams like them, the Kickers or other "historic" US teams in smaller have the $150M+ that would be needed to pay the entrance fee and upgrade facilities to compete at the modern MLS standard. Atlanta United is building a $60M training complex and most (all?) MLS sides will have full on development academies by 2018. These teams need markets with heavy hitting financial customers and a market reach beyond what most smaller metro areas can sustain.

If/ When MLS is on such solid ground that the TV money won't blink at having a small market in the mix, then maybe the league can be more open to such cities. For now, however, everything about MLS' expansion push is oriented around getting more eyes onto their national telecasts.
Traffic wise this should be a great location especially for the fans coming from the north which I suspect would be most. Direct access to 75 for Oakland county residents and direct access to Gratiot for Macomb county. It's pretty much within spitting distance of Ford Field, Comerica Park, and GM's headquarters and all of those have ample traffic access.
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So another story of a city trying to get soccer without any real history. There are going to be a lot of unhappy cities soon
Do you mean because they don't have a USL or NASL team? They have an NPSL team (amateur league 4th division) called Detroit City FC that drew 3,500 per game last year.

And, Detroit and soccer will always be synonymous with

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Gilbert and Gores are worth billions. Building an MLS stadium is chump change for them. If this was only about soccer, they would have chosen another site.

They also have Rossetti working on this project, who have a lot of experience with soccer stadiums.
Because billionaires throw more money on soccer stadiums than necessary just cos. I see...

The countdown to the inevitable downgrade begins.
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Because billionaires throw more money on soccer stadiums than necessary just cos. I see...

The countdown to the inevitable downgrade begins.
Perhaps you're not familiar with Dan Gilbert and the millions he has already spent on Detroit. The stadium isn't what is costing a lot, it's the whole development and inline with what Gilbert has spent in the past.
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Do you mean because they don't have a USL or NASL team? They have an NPSL team (amateur league 4th division) called Detroit City FC that drew 3,500 per game last year.

And, Detroit and soccer will always be synonymous with
I can't keep up with these crappy minor leagues. Sorry good for Detroit and hopefully they get a team. On a side note I don't care if any city filled up a stadium for a world cup from over 20 years ago, it's a different time.
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Perhaps you're not familiar with Dan Gilbert and the millions he has already spent on Detroit. The stadium isn't what is costing a lot, it's the whole development and inline with what Gilbert has spent in the past.
Sure, but there's no need to spend any more on an MLS stadium than necessary. When they start cutting corners, the stadium will be the first to feel it.
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^ Who gives a ****?

All I want is to make sure the old police HQ is preserved.
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I can't keep up with these crappy minor leagues. Sorry good for Detroit and hopefully they get a team. On a side note I don't care if any city filled up a stadium for a world cup from over 20 years ago, it's a different time.
So what soccer history are you looking for then?
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Investors dedicated to dream of Detroit MLS franchise
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Detroit’s chances appear to hinge on whether a deal can be worked out for the failed Wayne County Jail site. Garber made it clear that’s the site MLS wants, and Gilbert acknowledged there really isn’t a Plan B if a deal can’t be worked out with the county.

Duggan, the younger brother of Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan, said he thinks an outcome on the jail site will take place in the next month or two.

“I don’t think this is going to be a six- or 12-month drag on,” Dan Duggan said. “The mayor wants MLS in Detroit, the commissioner wants MLS in Detroit. Most of the people want MLS in Detroit.”
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Duggan has also expressed a desire to bring a USL team to Detroit and is hoping to convince the Gilbert/Gores group to consider his plan to build a 10,000-seat stadium that would also include a practice field that could eventually be used by an MLS team.

Duggan said he could get a stadium built within nine months if land was approved quickly.

The Rossetti architecture firm, which was involved in the recent proposed MLS Detroit stadium and entertainment district, had previously done renderings for a smaller stadium that Duggan has tried to pitch to investors in recent years.

Duggan said MLS teams have partnerships with USL teams now — similar to how the Tigers and Red Wings have farm teams for their prospects to develop. Duggan hopes to convince everyone involved in the larger Detroit expansion effort that a USL team should start soon here to help build momentum for the future.

“That becomes the mecca for the next five years for where the top quality soccer is played,” Duggan said. “And it’s a multiuse (stadium). If you do it and MLS comes in 2020, 2022 or whatever, they still need this facility. They’re not going to train in that (other) stadium. It would be the soccer training complex that MLS would say is needed anyway.”

Duggan said that the USL stadium would cost $11-20 million, not including the land, and would include two fields with lights and concessions.
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So what soccer history are you looking for then?
I just want teams to consistently have a team in their town for 4 plus years at this point. I don't respect towns that throw a team together for a year or two and then say OK let's try to move to MLS
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I just want teams to consistently have a team in their town for 4 plus years at this point. I don't respect towns that throw a team together for a year or two and then say OK let's try to move to MLS
Well fantastic Detroit City FC is in it's 5th year. I'm sure every current MLS team has had a team in their town for at least 4 years.
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