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Old January 31st, 2017, 01:54 PM   #81
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Old January 31st, 2017, 09:31 PM   #82
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Said it before on here: I would think the city would much rather have yuppie soccer fans downtown than convicted criminals.

Hopefully they get it worked out and we get another large private investment in downtown Detroit entertainment instead of tax dollars going towards a new lock up.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 10:56 PM   #83
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Businessman Dan Gilbert and his top aides plan to make an offer to buy the Wayne County Jail site this week, bringing to a head the controversy over whether the prominent downtown property next to Gilbert's Greektown Casino is best suited for a soccer stadium or criminal justice use.

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I don't understand the logic of building a jail on a prime site like that when you have a private venture lined up like this.

It should be shunned to the pits of the town.
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Also to add, isn't Detroit really serious about shunning the crime image it has? Why the hell then would you have a jail in such a spot instead of a mixed use development involving a professional sports team!?

Seems idiotic.
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Old February 1st, 2017, 02:54 AM   #86
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Also to add, isn't Detroit really serious about shunning the crime image it has? Why the hell then would you have a jail in such a spot instead of a mixed use development involving a professional sports team!?

Seems idiotic.
The jail is located next to the courthouse. Plus when the jail project was started, it wasn't a prime location. Wayne County also doesn't exactly have a lot of cash right now so the cheapest option is to finish the jail.
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Old February 7th, 2017, 02:07 AM   #87
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Gilbert, Gores submit plan to build new jail complex for Wayne County to make way for MLS stadium

Billionaires Dan Gilbert and Tom Gores have submitted an offer to Wayne County to build a new criminal justice complex and jail at the Lincoln Hall of Justice east off I-75 just south of Warren Avenue.

The expected offer is part of a major $1 billion redevelopment plan at the current jail site that includes a Major League Soccer stadium plus three 18- to 28-story high-rise buildings for office, residential and hotel uses under a plan announced in April. If completed, the project would transform a key gateway to downtown at Gratiot Avenue and St. Antoine Street.

Gilbert's Rock Ventures LLC on Monday evening announced the offer, which would include transfering the Gratiot jail site for the stadium project. At I-75 and East Forest Avenue, Rock Ventures would build a criminal justice complex with adult and juvenile detention facilities as well as a new courthouse to replace the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, according to a news release.

The proposal assumes a Feb. 20 acceptance and a approximately yearlong review and refinement of the plans for the criminal justice center on East Forest Avenue. By next month, under Rock’s proposed timeline, it and the county would agree on a credit and a June completion of due diligence on the East Forest Avenue and Gratiot sites. Demolition and construction at East Forest Avenue would begin in October with the complex being completed in March 2020.

The proposal calls for a 1,600-bed jail for adults and a 160-bed jail for juveniles, along with a courthouse, sheriff’s office, prosecutor’s office and surface parking.

The new courthouse would include 25 courtrooms and judges’ chambers.
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Old February 7th, 2017, 02:59 AM   #88
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Just clarifying. Are they asking for the downtown land for the stadium and $300mil from the county in exchange for the new $420mil count/detention center complex? Or are they just going to build the court/detention center complex on their own dime as payment to the county for the land?
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The proposal, released late Monday and hand-delivered to county offices, proposes to charge the county $300 million for a project Rock estimates would cost some $420 million to complete. The eight-acre site east of I-75 between East Forest and East Warren would include a new Frank Murphy Hall of Justice, a new 1,600-bed jail and a juvenile detention facility.

In exchange, Rock would gain control of the Gratiot site. It would be redeveloped into the cornerstone of a planned $1 billion mixed-use development on the eastern edge of downtown that could include construction of a 23,000-seat stadium for a Major League Soccer franchise.

In theory, both sides would get what they want. Wayne County Executive Warren Evans would get an all-new criminal justice center on the site of the current Lincoln Hall of Justice for the same price he would otherwise pay to complete a half-finished jail and make partial renovations to aging buildings nearby.

And Gilbert’s Rock would get what it calls a “gateway” to downtown. Even if Gilbert and Pistons owner Tom Gores are unable to land the MLS expansion team for Detroit — which the league conditioned on seeing “a finalized plan” for the site — Rock plans to move ahead with plans to develop commercial, office and residential space on the Gratiot site.
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Old February 7th, 2017, 12:16 PM   #90
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Company to build criminal justice complex in exchange for downtown jail site?

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I've heard from some trusted sources that this has been a done deal since September. Gilbert has invested too much money in the area and was never gonna allow a jail to be built on his doorstep.

As far as MLS goes, this will be a slam dunk deal and Detroit is getting a team by 2020. Gores and Tellem are close friends with Garber and MLS has wanted Detroit since it's foundation. William Clay Ford actually tried to land a franchise, but couldn't come up with a stadium plan fast enough to replace the Silverdome. If they had built Ford Field as an open air stadium in the mid 90s, Detroit would have had a team from the get-go.
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Old February 8th, 2017, 07:34 PM   #92
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http://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2017/...-stadium-site/

"With an offer from Dan Gilbert‘s Rock Ventures on the table, Wayne County is looking to settle the fate of a proposed MLS stadium site in Detroit in two weeks."
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I've heard from some trusted sources that this has been a done deal since September. Gilbert has invested too much money in the area and was never gonna allow a jail to be built on his doorstep.

As far as MLS goes, this will be a slam dunk deal and Detroit is getting a team by 2020. Gores and Tellem are close friends with Garber and MLS has wanted Detroit since it's foundation. William Clay Ford actually tried to land a franchise, but couldn't come up with a stadium plan fast enough to replace the Silverdome. If they had built Ford Field as an open air stadium in the mid 90s, Detroit would have had a team from the get-go.
Detroit would seem like a lock. I believe Detroit is the largest market without a MLS team, Detroit has four major professional teams with a long history in the city, two billionaire owners who already own professional sport franchises, and a prime location next to the other four teams. What more could they want? I totally hate soccer and want this to happen.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 12:55 PM   #94
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Detroit — Mayor Mike Duggan says Dan Gilbert’s plan for a new criminal justice complex downtown makes “very good sense” and, no matter the outcome, he’s confident Detroit will be home to a major league soccer franchise.



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Old February 13th, 2017, 09:03 PM   #95
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While Wayne County’s leaders mull over Dan Gilbert’s Rock Ventures' offer to build a new county jail and court complex downtown, a number of experts in urban development and commercial real estate are giving the proposal high marks.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...unty/97750462/
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Wayne County completes initial review of Dan Gilbert's project

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Wayne County Executive Warren Evans said on Monday the offer requires "much deeper analysis" that could push a decision on the deal into May.

He wants to analyze the proposed deal and whether it could meet Wayne County's needs for a new adult and juvenile detention facilities, a new criminal courthouse and sheriff's and prosecutor's offices

“This offer needs greater review, and it’s going to take time and effort and resources,” Evans said. "There are many questions that need to be answered."
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They have to outsource the analysis/review to private 3rd party entities. Politicians aren't smart enough to figure this out.
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They have to outsource the analysis/review to private 3rd party entities. Politicians aren't smart enough to figure this out.
errr.... yeah, I wouldn't expect politicians to be experts on criminal incarceration stats or jail/courthouse design. Their job is to be smart and big picture-ly educated enough to find an qualified expert to properly address the problem, then figure out how to pay for it.

They have $300mil at stake, so they want to make sure they're actually getting a jail/courthouse that meets the county's needs, and not stuck with something that's totally inadequate.

Its called vetting, and its a good thing...
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Old February 15th, 2017, 03:49 AM   #100
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They have to outsource the analysis/review to private 3rd party entities. Politicians aren't smart enough to figure this out.
They have to make sure that this proposal isn't going to cost more than finishing the jail. There's more to it than just Gilbert building a jail for the same price as finishing the current jail. For once Wayne county is properly vetting something instead of the usual corruption that goes with these things.
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