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Old February 24th, 2017, 11:11 PM   #1
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ELMONT - New York Islanders Arena (18,000)

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NY Rangers Owner Dolan Backs New Home for Islanders

A supergroup of New York sports executives, including owners of the New York Rangers and the New York Mets, is lining up to invest in a new arena just outside of Queens for the National Hockey League’s Islanders, according to people familiar with the discussions.

The Islanders play at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center, though executives there have concluded that it’s no longer worth it to host the hockey team, and the lease can be terminated as early as January.

The new arena proposal is a joint venture between the Islanders, Oak View Group and Sterling Project Development, said the people, who asked to be anonymous because the talks are private. James Dolan’s Madison Square Garden Co., which controls the Rangers, long the Islanders hated rivals, is an investor in Oak View Group, the private equity group run by Tim Leiweke and Irving Azoff. The Wilpon family, which owns the Mets, controls Sterling Project Development.

NHL rules permit the owner of one team to have a stake in another club’s arena.

The Islanders, MSG and Oak View Group declined to comment.

If the Islanders choose to terminate their lease with Barclays Center, they can leave following next season. If Barclays nixes the deal the Islanders can remain at their current home through the spring of 2019.

Either way, the Islanders need a home. Bloomberg News reported in July that the Islanders were in talks with the owners of the Mets about building an arena adjacent to Citi Field in Queens.

Since then, the parties have switched their focus to in the Belmont site in Elmont, New York, which is controlled by the New York Racing Authority and sits about 19 miles east of Manhattan, just outside of Queens. It is accessible by car and by regional rail, and an arena there would bring the team closer to its traditional Nassau County fan base.
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Old February 25th, 2017, 05:55 AM   #2
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Seems like Barclays Center was a bad idea.
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Old February 25th, 2017, 08:34 AM   #3
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Big news! And big news for Islanders fans! One, getting them closer to their old stomping ground and two, getting the team out of the Barclays Center which, while a nice arena, is beyond HORRIBLE for hockey
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 02:15 PM   #4
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Barclays Center was never a hockey arena.
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Old April 4th, 2017, 08:54 AM   #5
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It's too bad the old Nassau Coliseum didn't get a brand-new seating bowl to go along with its new exterior facade during its recent renovation. Will any new (built from scratch) arena from the Islanders end up a white elephant because of the abundance of indoor arenas in the New York City metro area?
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Old April 4th, 2017, 04:33 PM   #6
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They might get smaller concerts and Off Broadway shows like what happens in St. Pete with Tampa across the water
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 07:05 AM   #7
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NHL commissioner Gary Bettman revealed on Friday that the Islanders’ owners plan to officially submit a bid to New York state officials with the hope of building a new arena for the hockey team at the Belmont Park racetrack site.
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 08:51 AM   #8
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So I guess race tracks really are becoming obsolete.
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 11:01 AM   #9
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I hope the Islanders find a suitable long-term home on Long Island, but if this plan falls through, it seems like they can at least go back home to the Nassau Coliseum. The sooner they leave the Barclays Center, the better (and I'm not even affected by having to attend games).
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So I guess race tracks really are becoming obsolete.
Wouldn't replace the actual track, Belmont is the 3rd leg of the Triple Crown.

The arena would go on the open land next to it, where the NY Cosmos proposed to build their stadium a few years ago.
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Old August 2nd, 2017, 12:39 PM   #11
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Islanders’ path back to Long Island is clearer than ever

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The site is two parcels of currently underused parking lots adjacent to the race track, approximately 36 acres total, around Hempstead Turnpike and Cross Island Parkway. There is an alternative piece of land that could also be used, depending on the proposal.
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Old August 3rd, 2017, 06:29 AM   #12
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So what happened to the site near Citi Filed. I'm sure that area would be a much better location for them.
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Old September 28th, 2017, 09:21 PM   #13
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Islanders submit plan for arena at Belmont Park

The Islanders said Thursday they have “submitted a comprehensive proposal to create a world-class sports and entertainment destination at Belmont Park.”

The Islanders’ group is labeled New York Arena Partners, LLC. It includes Sterling Project Development, which is controlled by the Wilpon family, the Mets owners, and Oak View Group, an arena development company backed by Madison Square Garden.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 02:34 PM   #14
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Earlier image, I think this was for the old coliseum site.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 04:17 AM   #15
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Jon Ledecky, a co-owner of the Islanders, made his strongest statements yet that the team intends to leave Barclays Center in Brooklyn and hopes to build an arena near Belmont Park racetrack, for which New York State recently accepted proposals to redevelop.

“We have the singular focus of playing at Belmont Park,” Ledecky said Tuesday at a news media gathering in Midtown Manhattan. “Everything else about going here, there and everywhere else is absolute noise to us at this point.”

Ledecky, who took over majority ownership of the Islanders with his partner Scott Malkin in July 2016, said the hockey team would continue to play at Barclays Center for at least the next two seasons. The Islanders moved to Brooklyn in 2015 after 43 years at Nassau Coliseum on Long Island.

But Barclays Center was not constructed with hockey in mind, and attendance and fan engagement have been disappointing. With their Belmont Park bid, the Islanders proposed a modern hockey home, like the new arenas in Detroit and Edmonton.

A spokeswoman for Brooklyn Sports and Entertainment, which runs Barclays Center, declined to comment on Ledecky’s remarks.

Ledecky said he did not know the timetable for the state’s decision on the site. New York City F.C. of Major League Soccer is among the other groups to submit a proposal.

“We obviously would hope it would be sooner rather than later, and we would hope that our proposal is the best proposal,” Ledecky said. “We don’t know if they’ve received three or 10 or five. We certainly put a lot of time and effort into a first-class presentation. We were thoughtful. We want Belmont to be our permanent home. “
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 04:50 AM   #16
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The arena would be located next to the existing, part-time LIRR station in what is now a parking lot outside the grandstand area of the racetrack, Ledecky said.

The new arena would host approximately 150 events per year, including Islanders games and entertainment such as concerts, family shows and college basketball games, according to Peter Luukko of Oak View Group, one of the Islanders’ partners in the development.

Ledecky called the LIRR station at Belmont “a strategically located asset to serve the metropolitan area” to come to Islanders games. He also said there would be 7,000 parking spots available, allowing fans to drive and tailgate as they used to at Nassau Coliseum, where they played until leaving for Brooklyn in 2015.

A full-time LIRR stop at Belmont would be necessary to meet the number of people who would be coming regularly to the arena, Luukko said. Currently, the Belmont LIRR station is used only when horse racing is taking place.

A LIRR spokeswoman declined to comment.

Some fans on the train asked about returning to the Coliseum. Ledecky said, “It’s not set up with the things you need to generate the revenue that you need to compete for the Cup.” He also noted that the Coliseum is not close to a LIRR stop.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:03 PM   #17
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Here's the 64,000 Question....IS THAT SITE WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD THE ARENA ????...IS THAT A BIG ENOUGH FOOTPRINT ???? Remember you need anywhere from 750,000 square feet to 1,000,0000 square foot gross space to build an arena that will have a seating capacity of 17,500 fans for hockey that will include at least 50 luxury boxes and all the club amenities that a "STATE OF THE ART ARENA" would hold and I do hope that it's the Islanders intentions to build an arena of that scale. In my opinion, a smaller arena, let's say like the one in Winnipeg that holds 15,000 for hockey, to me and in all honesty to anyone else concerned is a waste of time and completely unacceptable. If they meaning the Isles owners are bold and every indication is that they are...they will do the right thing...especially if they want a major foothold on the sports marketplace in New York not only for the themselves but also for their long suffering fans AND REMEMBER THIS NEW ARENA WHEN AND IF BUILT WILL BE THE PERMANENT HOME FOR THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS...DON'T YOU THINK ALL PARTIES CONCERNED DESERVE AN ARENA TO BE BUILD ON THE GRANDEST OF SCALES POSSIBLE ???!!!! I THINK THEY DO !!!!
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Grand scale? WTF? Already two or three arena in NY that are more than capable. This arena will be middle of the pack with average fit out. It's not going to be the Taj Mahal.

Capacity, yeah 17,00 should be minimum, but then any bigger will be too big. Fine line these days with stadiums and arena. Need to create a scarcity of tickets to keep prices up. When you have thousands of cheap seats available it is hard to sell the expensive ones.

Supply and demand is the name of the game.
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Grand scale? WTF? Already two or three arena in NY that are more than capable. This arena will be middle of the pack with average fit out. It's not going to be the Taj Mahal.

Capacity, yeah 17,00 should be minimum, but then any bigger will be too big. Fine line these days with stadiums and arena. Need to create a scarcity of tickets to keep prices up. When you have thousands of cheap seats available it is hard to sell the expensive ones.

Supply and demand is the name of the game.
Indeed, many of the newer arenas in lower demand markets are hovering in the lower end of 17,000. Not as universal in Hockey as it is in Basketball, but the trend is still there:

NJ recently eliminated a bunch of standing room to bring the official capacity from about 17,600 down to 16,800.

Ottawa is now tarping off seats to bring capacity at Canadian Tire Center from about 18,100 down to 17,000.

Vegas' new arena has a capacity of 17,300.

Seattle's new Key Arena redevelopment is proposing a capacity of 17,100 for hockey.

Recently, its hard to point to a team that has struggled because they don't have enough capacity. Usually the issue now is teams struggling to fill seats because they have TOO MUCH capacity.
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Indeed, many of the newer arenas in lower demand markets are hovering in the lower end of 17,000. Not as universal in Hockey as it is in Basketball, but the trend is still there:

NJ recently eliminated a bunch of standing room to bring the official capacity from about 17,600 down to 16,800.

Ottawa is now tarping off seats to bring capacity at Canadian Tire Center from about 18,100 down to 17,000.

Vegas' new arena has a capacity of 17,300.

Seattle's new Key Arena redevelopment is proposing a capacity of 17,100 for hockey.

Recently, its hard to point to a team that has struggled because they don't have enough capacity. Usually the issue now is teams struggling to fill seats because they have TOO MUCH capacity.
Well said. A larger overall capacity is less a concern. TV and media revenues are more important than ticket revenue. And of that ticket revenue, club areas and suites are more important than individual seats. A lower capacity also reduces overhead costs while providing a better atmosphere.
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