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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:00 PM   #121
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Its spot on for AS Roma.The attendances in Italy are small because of the crappy stadiums-lots have athletics tracks and no roofs,and are not modern at all.Roma has 40K attendances lately,but they had 50-60K around 2000.And that was on Olimpico.Roma can sell 50K tickets each game on a brand new football only stadium.They're a big club.
They're a very big club. From one of Europe's great capital cities.

As you point out, crowds should increase once Roma have a new, proper football stadium. 60K ought therefore to be the minimum capacity.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:29 PM   #122
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^ I disagree, they should follow Juve's path. Build a great football specific stadium that you can realistically fill in and later expand it if there's sustainable demand.

Roma's attendances from the resource I use, worldfootball.net:

2011-12: 35k (ended as #7 in the table)
2010-11: 34k (#6)
2009-10: 41k (#2)
2008-09: 39k (#6)
2007-08: 37k (#2)
2006-07: 37k (#2)
2005-06: 39k (#5)
2004-05: 46k (#8)
2003-04: 48k (#2)
2002-03: 57k (#8)
2001-02: 61k (#2)
2000-01: 64k (#1)
1999-00: 59k (#6)
1998-99: 55k (#5)
1997-98: 54k (#4)
1996-97: 53k (#12)
1995-96: 54k (#5)
1994-95: 55k (#5)
1993-94: 60k (#7)

Doesn't show more but I think that's enough anyway. Some of the factors to be taken into consideration are factual (the club's historical attendance records, its success on the pitch, the quality of the stadium) and some are not very quantifiable (the slow decline of interest in going to football matches in Italy and the various reasons behind it), but overall I would say that aiming for a 55k stadium with potential for expansion is the right decision.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:46 PM   #123
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The people funding it want a 60,000 capacity stadium, so that's that. Hopefully the planning and construction will go smoothly, whilst it'll be great to see yet another new football stadium built in Italy.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:57 PM   #124
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^ Oh, thanks for that, I was under the impression that 55 is official figure. 60 shows ambition, and I can only hope it works perfect for them.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 11:00 PM   #125
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^ Oh, thanks for that, I was under the impression that 55 is official figure. 60 shows ambition, and I can only hope it works perfect for them.
Yeah, the 55,000 capacity and renders you see in this thread are from the previous plan. The title of the thread needs updating now to represent the new capacity of 60,000.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 06:19 PM   #126
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Actually, it appears there's no exact number at the moment, as their official site says it'll have a capacity of 55,000-60,000. The quote below also says it'll be big enough to host the Champions League final, though:

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Third, we anticipate the capacity to be around 55 to 60 thousand – enough to host the Champions League final while maintaining an intimate feel and offering the fans a special experience.
http://www.asroma.it/en/news/pallott...e_and_for_roma

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:01 PM   #127
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What's funny is that we often build stadiums with a Greco-Roman architecture look to it, but the Romans build something that looks very futuristic, like it's out of a science fiction movie. LOL
Really? Which stadium, for example?
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 09:26 PM   #128
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Architect Dan Meis (left) and new Roma CEO Italo Zanzi (right)

Watching the friendly against Orlando S.C., at Roma's winter training ground at the Disney complex.

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Old January 3rd, 2013, 06:56 AM   #129
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what is with every stadium having massive electronic screens as part of the facade?? i acknowledge that done in the right manner it could work, but ive yet to see it done in a way that actually warrants it as a design solution.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 07:40 AM   #130
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That's an old concept design, however, Derby County recently added some LED screens to the exterior of their stadium. One of the reasons they gave was to try and generate more revenue from advertising due to the new financial fair play rules:

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Lisa Biesty, the club's commercial head, said the recently introduced Financial Fair Play rules were making clubs think outside the box when it came to generating revenue.

She said: "Our goal is to make Derby County a sustainable business. To do this, we have to look at a number of ways of increasing revenue.

"The LED exterior screens will enable us to generate year-round income but, importantly, provide a great platform for businesses, both local and national, to advertise their brand and deliver up-to-date messaging.

"The digital upgrade to the stadium represents a significant investment by the owners with the intention that the LED assets will generate long-term revenue that will be used to support the on-pitch activities."
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Ra...ail/story.html

There's certainly more focus on the exterior of stadiums now, especially since the Allianz Arena opened, whilst I can only see more stadiums getting exterior screens to help generate revenue from advertising.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 09:25 PM   #131
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For some reference on Dan Meis recent work, here's his plan for the UNLV stadium which was recently approved.






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Old January 3rd, 2013, 09:30 PM   #132
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I remember reading a rumor that said Dan Meis is using Houston's Reliant stadium as a model. It manages to have a roof and natural grass which would make the design unique for Europe. I think you could make a real sleek 60k stadium based on this model.

Some of the tiers could be eliminated. The fans can be closer along the sides because football matches need less technical space. You could cut off the top tears and make bigger screens/scoreboards.

Reliant has hosted football (not A. Football) matches in the past.





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Old January 3rd, 2013, 09:43 PM   #133
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^ I disagree, they should follow Juve's path. Build a great football specific stadium that you can realistically fill in and later expand it if there's sustainable demand.
Why should they follow the path of a club from a city like Turin when we're speaking about Rome?
Juventus built a 41k being in TURIN, while Rome is a much bigger city. Juventus has more fans, of course ( than any other team, in Italy ) but they're spread across all the country, I don't know how that goes for Roma.
60k is a minimum for a football stadium for that club.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 04:04 AM   #134
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Why should they follow the path of a club from a city like Turin when we're speaking about Rome?
Juventus built a 41k being in TURIN, while Rome is a much bigger city. Juventus has more fans, of course ( than any other team, in Italy ) but they're spread across all the country, I don't know how that goes for Roma.
60k is a minimum for a football stadium for that club.
In the past 12 years, Roma have averaged over 55k three times or so. So I agree that 60k isn't unrealistic for Roma, but the problem is that they need to be doing very well for that to happen week in week out.

60k is fine, though 55k would be better. Just like Juventus though, there will be plenty of matchdays where the stadium is 3/4 full.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 11:04 AM   #135
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I think for most mediterranean countries 85-90% is good enough.
They prefer a lil bit bigger stadiums.
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LED screens are important part of stadiums design now:

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Old January 12th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #137
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How long will it be until AS Roma can get construction started on this stadium?
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Old January 13th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #138
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Old January 13th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #139
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You have an incredible amount of posts for someone who's main motive is to troll.

To the person who actually wanted to know the answer to the question. Roma is currently doing a survey of the land, for some of the reason previously mentioned. Once that's completed the scheme has to get approved by the city. The club is targeting 2016/17 season, so I'd assume next year.
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You have an incredible amount of posts for someone who's main motive is to troll.

To the person who actually wanted to know the answer to the question. Roma is currently doing a survey of the land, for some of the reason previously mentioned. Once that's completed the scheme has to get approved by the city. The club is targeting 2016/17 season, so I'd assume next year.
Yep, one of the articles also gave them a mid-2014 start, because the club want the construction period to last 24 months. So 2014-2016 with a small reserve before the 2016/17 season starts.
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