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Old December 6th, 2017, 01:45 AM   #1941
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What a load of clap trap.They could begin demolition NOW, have the foundations and core up and running easily by this time next year.
The could but they won't since that was never the plan.

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There are other things in play that none of us are aware of...........
The thing at play is that this is a damn big project which takes a lot of time and co-ordination to get going.

Note, the project was just approved this past February at which time the Herald Sun (21 Feb 2017) noted this:

The 90-storey One Queensbridge will have 388 hotel rooms and 708 apartments in a joint venture with developer Schiavello Group.

Construction is due to start in the next 18 months.


18 months puts it in the Aug 2018 time-frame. Michael Berquez (Urban Melbourne forums) says 4th quarter 2018 (Oct-Dec 2018). I believe Michael because he has inside sources in regards to One Queensbridge and he has been correct in every one of his tips with regards to this project. See this full thread (with his postings) and read it for yourself:

https://urban.melbourne/forum/southb...0l-residential

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And, I know a lot here will not agree with me but I still think this building is too bulky and overwhelms the entire Southbank area. Keep it tall yes but thin the whole thing down a bit.
Some will hate it, some will love it, but there is no doubt that this will be the biggest tower in Australia (by a very long way). It's sheer bulk will give it a presence that no other tower (even taller ones) will ever have.

The design is not changing, and it is scheduled to begin about this time next year. Patience will be rewarded just like West Side Place (which took even longer to get going).
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Old December 7th, 2017, 12:03 AM   #1942
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And, I know a lot here will not agree with me but I still think this building is too bulky and overwhelms the entire Southbank area. Keep it tall yes but thin the whole thing down a bit.
Well, I do agree with you. I think it would have looked better just as tall but thinner. But of course, as pointed out by others, now that it's approved there's no reason for Crown to reduce it.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 02:56 AM   #1943
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Also remember renders tend to be fish eyed views that emphasise their project. I know this will be the most massive tower in the area yet if you imagine it from most locations it is set back from existing towers like FWP and Prima/Pearl so the bulkiest angle will be from the north side of Spencer St Bridge, as shown in most renders...
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Old December 7th, 2017, 02:09 PM   #1944
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The could but they won't since that was never the plan.



The thing at play is that this is a damn big project which takes a lot of time and co-ordination to get going.

Note, the project was just approved this past February at which time the Herald Sun (21 Feb 2017) noted this:

The 90-storey One Queensbridge will have 388 hotel rooms and 708 apartments in a joint venture with developer Schiavello Group.

Construction is due to start in the next 18 months.


18 months puts it in the Aug 2018 time-frame. Michael Berquez (Urban Melbourne forums) says 4th quarter 2018 (Oct-Dec 2018). I believe Michael because he has inside sources in regards to One Queensbridge and he has been correct in every one of his tips with regards to this project. See this full thread (with his postings) and read it for yourself:

https://urban.melbourne/forum/southb...0l-residential



Some will hate it, some will love it, but there is no doubt that this will be the biggest tower in Australia (by a very long way). It's sheer bulk will give it a presence that no other tower (even taller ones) will ever have.

The design is not changing, and it is scheduled to begin about this time next year. Patience will be rewarded just like West Side Place (which took even longer to get going).
Agreed I suppose but it just seems such a long time it is so frustrating especially when you look at some of the stuff going up in docklands....its approved one day and the next day they start piling.All built within 12 - 18 months. And yes I know this is a massive project compared [and the quality is appalling down there] but I just wish they would get on with it! I felt the same with West Side, they just seem to be farting around. Then again 'all things come to those who wait' I suppose.................

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Old December 7th, 2017, 03:38 PM   #1945
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Hey! When approved in February 2017 then 18 months sort out of stuff design drawing up and plan appliances for construction
Not 18 month until August 2018 all of you think ... it’s actually demolish and drill test start in August until February 2019 full time construction take five or six years
When clean building then drill test take three months until soil test correct
There no basement after all then large core concrete take five months and go climb up
300,000m2 too large for construction take 3.5 years with 1 year pour concrete from bottom and 1.5 year fill up also top out AND 1 year fit out for complete to opening
This too biggest construction Australia in history ever seen 323 metre 90 floors
One per floor would take 10 days and concrete pour over core take 4 days
All of this beginning in February 2019 until 2024 October
Thank you for reading.... this helpful?
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Old December 7th, 2017, 08:20 PM   #1946
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Agreed I suppose but it just seems such a long time it is so frustrating especially when you look at some of the stuff going up in docklands....its approved one day and the next day they start piling.All built within 12 - 18 months. And yes I know this is a massive project compared [and the quality is appalling down there] but I just wish they would get on with it! I felt the same with West Side, they just seem to be farting around. Then again 'all things come to those who wait' I suppose.................
on that note though, docklands projects are MUCH smaller, there isnt a lot there to demolish/reroute etc, the ground conditions are much better than Southbank with regard to length of time it takes form piling to actually seeing a core, and the market for most of Docklands is middle/upper middle buyers.

-Crown is ENORMOUS
-its small but still has a demolition on its hands before it starts.
-it's got silty AF soil which will require substantial work to support the tower.
-Everything from site constraints to service relocation (if needed) to tram and traffic management needs to be sorted before you start which is much harder in Southbank than Docklands.
-You have neighbouring buildings to consider, particularly FWP, who I imagine will be a pain in the ass for the entire length of construction.
-The tower is aimed at the luxury market with a healthy but much more limited number of buyers.

you cant comapre QBT to anythign in Docklands at all.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 07:33 AM   #1947
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Truth is, you can't compare Crown to anything that's ever been built before....and that goes for the entire country. Don't underestimate the magnitude of this tower.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 07:38 AM   #1948
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Truth is, you can't compare Crown to anything that's ever been built before....and that goes for the entire country. Don't underestimate the magnitude of this tower.


In what sense? Not sure Iím with you on this one
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Old December 8th, 2017, 08:49 AM   #1949
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In what sense? Not sure Iím with you on this one
300,000sqm makes it the biggest single tower by very far in the country, quite likely twice as big as the next biggest tower (Rialto??).

It will also be the tallest tower in the country.

And it will be built on former swamp-land.

Those three are an unprecedented combination: biggest, and tallest, on difficult land.

As you know, building two 150m towers is not the same as building a single 300m tower. The higher you go the more challenging the engineering, especially in Southbank.

West Side Place, Barangaroo, Collins Square & Melbourne Square are comparable in a project to project sense. But no single tower is comparable to what One Queensbridge will be. Taking time seems reasonable, just as West Side Place and A108 also took their time (approval to actual construction).
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Old December 8th, 2017, 09:59 AM   #1950
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The coode island silt is and will be horrible on this site. To make it even worse, there is a sand layer a few metres down which allows the high water table to flow into any open excavation you make (water won't flow through coode, probably the only good thing about it, but travelling in the sand layer is a nightmare). So the earthworks component will be a nightmare.
Let's just remember how long we all spent watching Australia 108s piling and how painful that felt.

Also, unlike Australia 108, my understanding is this project WILL have a basement. Yes, in coode and next to the yarra and they WILL put a basement in. If you're going to make a statement, you'll make as many as you can in one move.

So even if they got start late next year, plenty of years will pass before it all really gets visible.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 10:24 AM   #1951
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And it's not as if we don't have plenty going on now and over the next few years to keep us all well and truly going.

It's a joke actually with everything that's going on ! We are absolutely spoilt rotten here !!!

We have no reason to complain !!!!
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Old December 8th, 2017, 10:58 AM   #1952
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Blah blah blah that order .... Order!
February 2019 beginning construction after 7 months drill test
Take 5 year building .... 300,000sqm too biggest surprise surprise for skyscrapers fan
Stop augmented reality for this stuff... jut shut up after all
Move on .... would be start clean August 2018 then February 2019 fullest time building
There have basement yes I not sure who post mentions this
This largest ever construction Southern Hemisphere in history
I guess some of you reading my post previous okay
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Old December 8th, 2017, 08:28 PM   #1953
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The coode island silt is and will be horrible on this site. To make it even worse, there is a sand layer a few metres down which allows the high water table to flow into any open excavation you make (water won't flow through coode, probably the only good thing about it, but travelling in the sand layer is a nightmare). So the earthworks component will be a nightmare.
Let's just remember how long we all spent watching Australia 108s piling and how painful that felt.

Also, unlike Australia 108, my understanding is this project WILL have a basement. Yes, in coode and next to the yarra and they WILL put a basement in. If you're going to make a statement, you'll make as many as you can in one move.

So even if they got start late next year, plenty of years will pass before it all really gets visible.
I remember when Hamer Hall was being built they run into all sorts of problems with the water table that delayed the project for quite some time.
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I remember when Hamer Hall was being built they run into all sorts of problems with the water table that delayed the project for quite some time.
You would hope that by now with the amount of structures through southbank, docklands and other areas that so long as they choose an experienced contractor, and the consultants design the substructure to best handle/manage the subterranean conditions that it shouldn't be too full of delays.
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You would hope that by now with the amount of structures through southbank, docklands and other areas that so long as they choose an experienced contractor, and the consultants design the substructure to best handle/manage the subterranean conditions that it shouldn't be too full of delays.
Yes, good call. I doubt there will be major surprises since the engineers have quite a bit of nearby existing history to call upon including: A108, Eureka, Crown Entertainment complex and Freshwater Place.

Due to these challenges an above ground core is unlikely to be seen until 2020.

If all goes well top out maybe in 2023 and tower completion in 2024?

I wonder if Crown Sydney has similar challenges? It is right up against Darling Harbour on what I believe to be reclaimed land. It can't be too easy up their in the Sydney Crown development either.
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In what sense? Not sure Iím with you on this one
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I remember when Hamer Hall was being built they run into all sorts of problems with the water table that delayed the project for quite some time.
The only reason Hamer Hall was built was because the original plan to have all the theatres below the Arts Spire was too hard...The Concert Hall was deleted so the project could proceed but everyone knew the completed project must have a Concert Hall attached...nearby...across St Kilda Road or...where it ended up. A good result...even if we lost the small park and South
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