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Paul D · April 11th, 2012, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo Diablo

Please no more suburban houses in the city centre!!!!!

Well that's the alternative to this new proposal, it's a no brainer for me.

Nathan4 · April 12th, 2012, 01:59 AM

I actually quite liked the renders, a different shot was in the actual printed echo today. I think the scale and market they're aiming at is potentially excellent and could definitely move city centre development outwards in that direction.

The trade centre scheme I think is definitely a good thing, my only concern is how Peel would take it, whilst I love the idea that it is a potential competitor for the Peel Trade Centre scheme so both could flourish - I just hope Peel don't try to throw their weight about and hinder this project.

I also like how its vision definitely has an element of Chinese in its character, like a vibrant arcade with a look to deal with some serious footfall and definitely bring life to that area.

thecityofgold · April 13th, 2012, 10:34 PM

It doesn't sound like the Chinese plan would actually happen, but if it did then it would be a fantastic thing. This area is traditonally Chinese but the number of Chinese residents is continually dwindling. Bringing in a lot of Chinese students would add a lot to the feel of the area.

aek-94 · April 13th, 2012, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thecityofgold

It doesn't sound like the Chinese plan would actually happen, but if it did then it would be a fantastic thing. This area is traditonally Chinese but the number of Chinese residents is continually dwindling. Bringing in a lot of Chinese students would add a lot to the feel of the area.

What's the alternative to the Chinese plan?

superla · April 25th, 2012, 08:42 PM

Renders of the proposed shanghai square development plans have appeared if anyone can have more luck than me at uploading them?

yoshef · April 25th, 2012, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superla

Renders of the proposed shanghai square development plans have appeared if anyone can have more luck than me at uploading them?

Sure, where are they?

superla · April 25th, 2012, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoshef

Sure, where are they?

Appearing on the ropwalks Facebook posts so I'm guessing somewhere on their website,thanks yosh

yoshef · April 25th, 2012, 09:34 PM

superla · April 26th, 2012, 05:40 PM

Things could be getting complicated,http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-30842282/

Paul D · April 26th, 2012, 06:05 PM

It's all down to Peel having similar plans for Wirral Waters,Urban Splash will win.

Nathan4 · April 26th, 2012, 08:04 PM

Bit of a kick up the arse for them at least though I hope. Can't be getting away with a car park for two years no chance, especially for a 'scaled back' scheme?

Khattab1 · April 26th, 2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul D

It's all down to Peel having similar plans for Wirral Waters,Urban Splash will win.

Not happy about peel influencing schemes in the city centre this has happened a few times now.

Paul D · April 26th, 2012, 08:17 PM

Neither am I in this instance.

Awayo · April 26th, 2012, 08:30 PM

The Peel angle is intriguing.

Also what this decision may tell us about the relationship and communications between the rebranded Mersey Partnership LEP and LCC/Liverpool Vision.

The China Square scheme may not have been a serious prospect. I really have no idea. However, the guy behind it is meant to be Joe's Chinese business ambassador. Leaving aside whether a former deputy lieutenant of Greater Manchester and leading member of Manchester's Chinese community, not Liverpool's, is the best choice of this, LEP stiffing him with the grand towards the dormant Urban Splash scheme certainly makes you think.

Remember that both LCC and the LEP appear to be bending over backwards to please Peel.

Has LCC on the sly already dismissed the China Square scheme and their business ambassador? Or are Liverpool Vision, which is remember piling straight into promoting and marketing Liverpool as a business destination - isn't that the old TMP's job? - thinking it can do better on its todd, and the LEP already at odds?

Dishing out one of only a small handful of grants out of the LEP's very first tranche of awards to a site that is subject to rival schemes, the lucky one of which its developer admits is not likely to see the light of day for years in its full extent if ever, certainly gives a strong message, whoever its intended recipient might be.

Realistically you'd hope that each LEP grant was made in consultation with each borough and based on their suggestions. Nevertheless whatever is actually happening I feel a

coming on...

design_man · April 26th, 2012, 09:25 PM

I assume the relevant LEP board papers will be made available? I confess that on purely aesthetic grounds I dislike the Shanghai Square plans, but if the far better Urban Splash plans can't be realised, then something basic is better than nothing on this site. Like others I like the idea - and it's only an idea - that his development might have a real economic and business angle to it, and not just be housing. And if these people could really fit a trade centre into that site then I don't think whatever they are or were proposing could be regarded as real competition for Peel, as I saw their plans and they were for something far bigger.

However, whatever the reality may be, the perception here is not great. There is yet again an impression of a rather insular small town at work, which may not be fair but it's an impression certainly emerging from comments on the Echo website. And this decision plays, perhaps unfairly, into the perception that Liverpool is a town where small cliques and networks operate in their own interests and not always for the common good. That might not be the reality of this, for all we know there are extremely sound economic development and regeneration reasons for the LEP acting as it has done, but there seems to be a reaction to this one, that it doesn't feel right.

What annoys me slightly though, reading the comments on the Echo, is a kind of "Peel are baddies" assumption amongst some. If a company has invested hundreds of millions, and hopes to invest billions, is it not entitled to at least pay a bit of regard to the commercial return it may one day get from this investment? They are, after all, a Manchester based firm of developers, not a charity. I'm not for a moment suggesting they should be given excessive influence, or that they have been, or that they would seek that, but I think if you invest very heavily in an area its right that your interests are at least given a bit of consideration. Would it be good for their interests to be entirely neglected? As I say, I'm not convinced there is a linkage here, as there is no obvious comparison between the Shanghai Square plans and the Peel plans in any respect, so real competition looks highly unlikely.

On a different point, I'm not sure where we are with "Chinatown": now China is becoming the pre-eminent global economic superpower, with hundreds of millions of middle class consumers and travellers, I wonder just what a European Chinatown looks like to those people? Maybe some of them would regard it as a tad embarrassing? A bit like the poor-white "redlegs" of Barbados?

I have a lot of time for the little that is left of chinatown, and myself have some Chinese ancestry, but I'm not convinced that a Chinatown theming is the way forward on this site. I did like the Urban Splash scheme, it's a pity - but a car park and rental houses is taking the piss.

tomo90 · April 26th, 2012, 10:39 PM

I think its a fucking joke. Shangai Sq sounds like a decent investment compared to a car park and some houses that should not be in a city centre anyway. Im not surprised this city is behind other big cities with shit like this always going on.

gottago · April 27th, 2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by design_man

On a different point, I'm not sure where we are with "Chinatown": now China is becoming the pre-eminent global economic superpower, with hundreds of millions of middle class consumers and travellers, I wonder just what a European Chinatown looks like to those people? Maybe some of them would regard it as a tad embarrassing? A bit like the poor-white "redlegs" of Barbados?

Given the amount of European style villiages that have been built in China over the last few years I doubt they'd care much.

http://www.businessinsider.com/china...town-2011-6#-2

Austrian-chic seems to be the new trend there if this Swedish documentary on the subject is anything to go by:

http://svtplay.se/v/2784476/kobra/del_7_av_26

Zanderdad · May 10th, 2013, 11:38 AM

Just thought I'd bump this thread as there's been no news for a year. Anyone know what's happening here, if anything? Did they get approval for the car park and poxy ten houses? Was the Shanghai scheme killed off? Any news whatsoever?

April 12th, 2012, 01:59 AM	#102
Nathan4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Liverpool (Home), Manchester (University) Posts: 246 Likes (Received): 0	I actually quite liked the renders, a different shot was in the actual printed echo today. I think the scale and market they're aiming at is potentially excellent and could definitely move city centre development outwards in that direction. The trade centre scheme I think is definitely a good thing, my only concern is how Peel would take it, whilst I love the idea that it is a potential competitor for the Peel Trade Centre scheme so both could flourish - I just hope Peel don't try to throw their weight about and hinder this project. I also like how its vision definitely has an element of Chinese in its character, like a vibrant arcade with a look to deal with some serious footfall and definitely bring life to that area. Last edited by Nathan4; April 12th, 2012 at 02:01 AM. Reason: ...

April 25th, 2012, 09:34 PM	#108
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April 26th, 2012, 08:30 PM	#114
Awayo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hrafenmeles Posts: 13,997 Likes (Received): 109	The Peel angle is intriguing. Also what this decision may tell us about the relationship and communications between the rebranded Mersey Partnership LEP and LCC/Liverpool Vision. The China Square scheme may not have been a serious prospect. I really have no idea. However, the guy behind it is meant to be Joe's Chinese business ambassador. Leaving aside whether a former deputy lieutenant of Greater Manchester and leading member of Manchester's Chinese community, not Liverpool's, is the best choice of this, LEP stiffing him with the grand towards the dormant Urban Splash scheme certainly makes you think. Remember that both LCC and the LEP appear to be bending over backwards to please Peel. Has LCC on the sly already dismissed the China Square scheme and their business ambassador? Or are Liverpool Vision, which is remember piling straight into promoting and marketing Liverpool as a business destination - isn't that the old TMP's job? - thinking it can do better on its todd, and the LEP already at odds? Dishing out one of only a small handful of grants out of the LEP's very first tranche of awards to a site that is subject to rival schemes, the lucky one of which its developer admits is not likely to see the light of day for years in its full extent if ever, certainly gives a strong message, whoever its intended recipient might be. Realistically you'd hope that each LEP grant was made in consultation with each borough and based on their suggestions. Nevertheless whatever is actually happening I feel a coming on... Last edited by Awayo; April 26th, 2012 at 08:37 PM.

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April 13th, 2012, 10:34 PM	#103
thecityofgold Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,343 Likes (Received): 10	It doesn't sound like the Chinese plan would actually happen, but if it did then it would be a fantastic thing. This area is traditonally Chinese but the number of Chinese residents is continually dwindling. Bringing in a lot of Chinese students would add a lot to the feel of the area.

April 25th, 2012, 08:42 PM	#105
superla Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 259 Likes (Received): 18	Renders of the proposed shanghai square development plans have appeared if anyone can have more luck than me at uploading them?

April 26th, 2012, 05:40 PM	#109
superla Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 259 Likes (Received): 18	Things could be getting complicated,http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-30842282/

April 26th, 2012, 06:05 PM	#110
Paul D Phatang Phatang Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 11,618 Likes (Received): 300	It's all down to Peel having similar plans for Wirral Waters,Urban Splash will win.

April 26th, 2012, 08:04 PM	#111
Nathan4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Liverpool (Home), Manchester (University) Posts: 246 Likes (Received): 0	Bit of a kick up the arse for them at least though I hope. Can't be getting away with a car park for two years no chance, especially for a 'scaled back' scheme?

April 26th, 2012, 08:17 PM	#113
Paul D Phatang Phatang Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 11,618 Likes (Received): 300	Neither am I in this instance.

April 26th, 2012, 09:25 PM	#115
design_man Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,197 Likes (Received): 23	I assume the relevant LEP board papers will be made available? I confess that on purely aesthetic grounds I dislike the Shanghai Square plans, but if the far better Urban Splash plans can't be realised, then something basic is better than nothing on this site. Like others I like the idea - and it's only an idea - that his development might have a real economic and business angle to it, and not just be housing. And if these people could really fit a trade centre into that site then I don't think whatever they are or were proposing could be regarded as real competition for Peel, as I saw their plans and they were for something far bigger. However, whatever the reality may be, the perception here is not great. There is yet again an impression of a rather insular small town at work, which may not be fair but it's an impression certainly emerging from comments on the Echo website. And this decision plays, perhaps unfairly, into the perception that Liverpool is a town where small cliques and networks operate in their own interests and not always for the common good. That might not be the reality of this, for all we know there are extremely sound economic development and regeneration reasons for the LEP acting as it has done, but there seems to be a reaction to this one, that it doesn't feel right. What annoys me slightly though, reading the comments on the Echo, is a kind of "Peel are baddies" assumption amongst some. If a company has invested hundreds of millions, and hopes to invest billions, is it not entitled to at least pay a bit of regard to the commercial return it may one day get from this investment? They are, after all, a Manchester based firm of developers, not a charity. I'm not for a moment suggesting they should be given excessive influence, or that they have been, or that they would seek that, but I think if you invest very heavily in an area its right that your interests are at least given a bit of consideration. Would it be good for their interests to be entirely neglected? As I say, I'm not convinced there is a linkage here, as there is no obvious comparison between the Shanghai Square plans and the Peel plans in any respect, so real competition looks highly unlikely. On a different point, I'm not sure where we are with "Chinatown": now China is becoming the pre-eminent global economic superpower, with hundreds of millions of middle class consumers and travellers, I wonder just what a European Chinatown looks like to those people? Maybe some of them would regard it as a tad embarrassing? A bit like the poor-white "redlegs" of Barbados? I have a lot of time for the little that is left of chinatown, and myself have some Chinese ancestry, but I'm not convinced that a Chinatown theming is the way forward on this site. I did like the Urban Splash scheme, it's a pity - but a car park and rental houses is taking the piss.

April 26th, 2012, 10:39 PM	#116
tomo90 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,112 Likes (Received): 40	I think its a fucking joke. Shangai Sq sounds like a decent investment compared to a car park and some houses that should not be in a city centre anyway. Im not surprised this city is behind other big cities with shit like this always going on.

May 10th, 2013, 11:38 AM	#118
Zanderdad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 71 Likes (Received): 35	Just thought I'd bump this thread as there's been no news for a year. Anyone know what's happening here, if anything? Did they get approval for the car park and poxy ten houses? Was the Shanghai scheme killed off? Any news whatsoever?