The White Sand Beach+Mövenpick Pattaya, 52+48+45 Storey : Pattaya

[nobodiesfool]

new pictures will be updated soon .

I receive the update from Apex telling us that the completion date is delayed and the project will be completed the end of this year .

[pcrcapital]

I did not say that about you. I said "Once the project is completed then we can agree that the people who said it would not be finished will have turned out to be wrong." That is a truism. I did not say what you said before.
My comment about success was said in fun not to start a comparison of people's net worth. From what you describe about your self you seem to have enjoyed success. Weather or not you view yourself as successful or not is more a matter of your personal views about your life.
Of course you can say that all the good stuff is just subjective and all that matters is that the developer's other projects are the critical point. But you also need to consider price. How much more would it cost to buy if Major or Raimon land is the developer. Is that 20 or 30 % premium you would pay worth it to decrease your risk? And or would the finished project being better by another developer? I have a friend who owns in the Watermark on the river in Bangkok. This is a Major project. He was very unhappy with the finished product. I think it is okay but the size of the bathrooms and the quality of the finishing is just okay. And for some crazy reason when you walk from the parking building to the residential units you have to go up 5 stairs with your luggage. No ramp. To me that is a lack of caring in the design. It would not have cost anything to build a ramp. Maybe a small item but a careless oversight.
I believe that when buying any condo of course the most important thing is that the project gets finished. But after that you better like the location, the view, and the layout of the room. The layout is a critical factor that we have not discussed. Yes it is subjective. But a lot of places put 3 bedrooms in too small square meters so all rooms are small. I like the layout of WSB. (I know, subjective).

Finally, obviously Nobodiesfool is very involved with the project and has been the subject of much criticism. I can tell you for sure, however, that he is scrutinizing ever aspect of the building of the project and getting APEX to deliver according to plan.
Having an advocate for the buyers on top of the developer literally every day is a lucky benefit to buyers.
The bottom line is this. If you were buying a condo on the eastern seaboard of Thailand, which one would you buy that has all the features of WSB? (I know there are much nicer beaches and better built condos other places. Like Cancun, Mexico. There are some really really white sand beaches there).
If your answer is you like Hua Hin or Bangkok or Phuket then that is a different subject.
If it is all about the developer is that because you fear it won't be finished or that the end project won't good? We seem to agree that it will be finished. I am not worried about the end product so much because I know the walls and floors are quite thick and the civil engineering is sound. I also know that it won't be perfect and there will be some disappointing features. However, most of the value is in the view, the location, (no road in front is so important to me maybe not to others), and the room layout. The only worry would be will the swimming pool be as nice as the current plan and will the parking be adequate. I did a lot of looking around and I just could not find a better project. Part of that is that I do not like Wong Amat so that eliminates a lot of projects. But even the ones I looked at there I did not like as much as this WSB.

[nobodiesfool]

Start of the alumnium plates around the building ( the building is not painted but covered with alumnium pannels . Easy to maintain and don't need to repaint the building .

[KeNgKrUpS]

Originally Posted by nobodiesfool

Start of the alumnium plates around the building ( the building is not painted but covered with alumnium pannels . Easy to maintain and don't need to repaint the building .

Looking forward to seeing updated pics.

[pcrcapital]

Do the Aluminum plates decrease energy costs at all?

[nobodiesfool]

To Pcr Capitral,

yes it does , because the sun cannot heat up the concrete behind the alumnium plates .

[Nampla]

Does the aluminium plates cover the lift core also or it's just plaster with paint?

[nobodiesfool]

Yes the alumnium will also cover the lift core . update pictures on http://www.whitesandbeachpattaya.com/project-progress/

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[ArkinMourad]

5/5/2013

[nobodiesfool]

Demand for luxury residences has returned to the Bangkok property market, especially in the central business districts, where leading developers have responded by launching and promoting projects during the first half of the year.


According to a survey by The Nation, luxury developers began aggressively marketing their top-end residential projects early this year after seeing demand return for the purchase of luxury homes.

Pace Development conducted a Dubai roadshow of its luxury condominium project, Ritz-Carlton Residences, which boosted presales beyond 50 per cent of the project value of Bt12 billion.

Asian Property Development introduced a Bt3.3-billion luxury condominium, Galerie rue de 39, in the first quarter. Presales have already reached about 20 per cent.

Sansiri, meanwhile, also plans to launch a luxury condominium on Wireless Road this year, with a starting price of at least Bt400,000 per square metre.

Another listed developer, Major Development, will hold a grand opening for local buyers of its Bt6-billion luxury Marque condominium in July. Although this is still two months away, it has already sold nine of the 147 units.

"We decided to launch our luxury condominium in July after witnessing demand for luxury condos return, from both domestic and foreign buyers," said managing director Suriya Poolvoralaks.

Eight of the nine units already sold were booked by local buyers, and the other by a Hong Kong investor with a business in Thailand, he said.

The Marque is Major Development's most expensive condominium project, with an offer price of Bt250,000 per square metre. It has been designed by the Palm and Turner firm of architects.

"We saw new demand from local and foreign buyers now that the supply of luxury residences is limited, especially for freehold projects, as a result of which we decided to launch our luxury condominium at this time," Suriya added.

Some of the luxury demand is from foreign buyers expanding their regional investment in light of the approaching implementation of the Asean Economic Community in 2015.

Thailand will then be a hub for foreign investors in both the office and residential sectors because its infrastructure is better than that in several other Asean countries.

"We will manage the [Marque] project through our subsidiary, Major Residences, which will also act for any owners who want to rent out their units," said the MD.

Bt210-million penthouse

Seven of the Marque's units are penthouses, most with usable space of between 400 and 500 square metres. The biggest penthouse, covering 600 square metres, will cost Bt350,000 per square metre, or Bt210 million in total.

The project has been designed to include luxury features and facilities such as a gallery lobby, semi-private meeting room on the ground floor, fitness room and golf simulator.

The developer has applied for an environmental-impact-assessment permit, and plans to complete the project in 2016.

The investment budget will come from both Major Development's cash flow and borrowings from commercial banks. This will maintain the company's debt-to-equity ratio at not more than 2:1, Suriya said.

The company is also considering issuing a Bt1.5-billion debenture this year or next to support its business expansion, he added.

[nobodiesfool]

Prices in White Sand Beach are still cheap but will they remain the same ? I guess not .even the latest price increase keeps the prices is still cheaper than in other projects .

[early bird]

Originally Posted by nobodiesfool

new pictures will be updated soon .

I receive the update from Apex telling us that the completion date is delayed and the project will be completed the end of this year .

wow - who would have thought that ? Yet another delay. Actually, this was clear already last year and the developer knew this. And their website progress page still states May2013 as date to transfer the units. Bad timing, non-consequential commitments, lousy client and public communication, apparent non-interest in keeping progress websites up to date. Makes the delay 3 1/2 years in total now. How safe is the finish in December ? Nobody knows. It is just empty words again with a not very trust-inspiring history of failed commitments and no compensation for clients, as usual.

@nobodiesfool: the reason the prices in WSB are still relatively low, as you point out, may lie in the hesitations investors have about this project after all these delays and broken promises. The developers that are referred to in BKK in the article quoted are all first-rate and finish their projects on time and in great style, also in Pattaya. That creates trust and confidence. An obvious fact not everyone seems willing to appreciate.

Someone close to Apex seems to have spammed this forum page with meaningless pictures of floor layouts and catalogue views. What may be the purpose of that ? Stopping people from reading these pages ? Better use your time speeding up the progress of the project. Then, maybe, even the prices are rising. Incomplete units are worth nothing, just like empty promises.

[The Lizzard King]

Seems like there is a progress but i doubt people will stay there before next year. Wli for one didnt say it eont finish, i did say it wont finish on time agsin hence we cant trust such a developers words, or sny of the dstes they keep floating nor their final products. Id prefer to buy the finished product if i like it. Some projects you just shouldnt buy off plan...

[KeNgKrUpS]

Originally Posted by The Lizzard King

Some projects you just shouldnt buy off plan...

Which is the majority of projects in Pattaya!