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Old June 1st, 2016, 11:59 AM   #2201
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Yes and i flew on all of them as this was my era.The Super VC10,BAC1-11 and Caravelle were even noisier than those listed above.The crackle could still be heard over a minute after it passed you.

Today's jets are so quiet compared to that era and i really wonder about today's society in regards to aircraft noise.
I remember one particular VC-10 over our place at Frenchs' Forest in 1970. At that point it was still quite high, however the four engines mounted aft were extremely loud, louder than a 707 or DC-8. Ironic too, when BOAC advertised how quiet they were inside.
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Old July 4th, 2016, 06:56 AM   #2202
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Interesting weekend in politics huh? Let us hope the LNP doesn't in any way equate Badgerys' curfew free status with their Western Sydney fail.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 05:45 AM   #2203
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Interesting weekend in politics huh? Let us hope the LNP doesn't in any way equate Badgerys' curfew free status with their Western Sydney fail.
Yeah I have been thinking about that too

People who would prefer a HSR to Canberra are
Anthony Albanese
Barry O'Farrell
Terry Snow
And the lady on TV who voted Labor because she did not want any noisy aircraft near her house.

If people could get the same jobs building the HSR to Canberra as building an airport then I think they would prefer it especially as now Canberra is doing international flights.

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Old July 5th, 2016, 10:09 AM   #2204
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^ Haha, moving all the new (operational) airport jobs to Canberra WOULD get the locals screaming.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 10:40 AM   #2205
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Yeah I have been thinking about that too

If people could get the same jobs building the HSR to Canberra as building an airport then I think they would prefer it especially as now Canberra is doing international flights.

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HSR to CBR should never be considered on the basis that CBR airport could ever be a 2nd airport for the SYD region.
The whole CBR 2nd Sydney airport dream is a non-starter.
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Old July 6th, 2016, 08:25 AM   #2206
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HSR to CBR should never be considered on the basis that CBR airport could ever be a 2nd airport for the SYD region.
The whole CBR 2nd Sydney airport dream is a non-starter.
It's no worse that Badgers. Both require expensive new rail links and even with Badgers, you aren't going to get connectivity to much of Sydney under an hour.

What people are saying is you could build HSR to CBR for its own sake, and have a ready made (or readily expandable) existing International Airport usable right now. And the side benefit of being able to discontinue SYD-CBR flights.
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Old July 6th, 2016, 05:30 PM   #2207
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no problem with that. If a SYD-CBR HSR is viable and can provide adequate returns on the investment then it should surely be built.
It still doesn't take away the need for Badgerys though. Even with HSR, CBR will never be an alternative or 2nd airport for the Sydney region (even if it is already there and expandable ). If Canberra was 150-200km closer to Sydney then maybe. ..but not at 300km.
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Old September 11th, 2016, 12:11 AM   #2208
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It looks the government will have to bear the greatest burden in funding this new airport:

Airlines body rejects levy plan to fund Western Sydney airport

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12:00AM September 9, 2016
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International airlines have rejected suggestions an industry levy be introduced to help fund construction of Western Sydney Airport, saying any financial assistance should exclusively come from government coffers.

In a major position statement to be released today by the Board of Airline Representatives of Australia — which represents airlines including Air Canada, *Cathay *Pacific and United Airlines — the industry body has rejected calls for such a levy, saying it will scare away international airlines from using the new airport. BARA’s concerns about funding for the planned $2.7 billion airport at Badgerys Creek in western Sydney stem from analyst projections that the infrastructure project would require $1bn of government subsidies or extra levies on airlines in the first decade of its existence to make it a financially viable proposition.

“If initial financial assistance is necessary, it should be funded *directly from the Australian government’s consolidated revenue,” the industry group says in its paper. “BARA does not support any form of levy on airfares, either during Western Sydney Airport’s construction phase or subsequent operations, which would effectively impose an additional tax on existing passengers.” BARA said it would also not support cross-*subsiding the costs of the proposed airport through additional airline charges at Sydney Airport.

“International airlines have underpinned the growth of passenger services into Australia through real airfare reductions of some 30 per cent over the last decade,” BARA said. “Placing an extra levy on otherwise commercially viable air routes, now or in the future, will only serve to reduce airfare affordability, which would damage inbound tourism and decrease the opportunities for Australians to holiday and visit family and friends overseas.”

Instead, the BARA paper says that success of Sydney’s second airport would be underpinned by efficient infrastructure that allows smooth passage of freight and passenger traffic to and from the terminal.

“Efficient infrastructure ser*vices will maximise the airport’s total value and therefore are critical to minimise any financial assistance that may be required by the airport operator,” says BARA executive director Barry Abrams.

BARA’s members also want to see more competitively priced jet fuel at the new airport.

“Unfortunately, globally recognised importers of jet fuel have, to date, seen their efforts to bring competition and lower-priced fuel to airlines in Australia frustrated.

“The success of the new airport will be at risk if the situation at Sydney Airport were replicated at *Western Sydney Airport,” it says. “A competitive jet fuel market at Western Sydney Airport is dependent on firstly establishing a more competitive supply at Sydney *Airport.

“This requires arrangements providing open access for any jet fuel importer to the fuel storage and distribution facilities at Sydney Airport.”

The release of the paper comes as question marks hang over the development of the second airport. Sydney Airport is still waiting on the federal government to hand over its proposed development plan for the Badgerys Creek creek airport, despite assurances it would be delivered after the *federal election.

Sydney Airport has been waiting since December to receive the so-called notice of intention, but the process has been twice delayed. The first delay occurred after the government was inundated with more than 4500 submissions to the airport’s environ*mental impact statement, and the second delay came with the election. The plans are expected to be delivered by the end of this year.

The formal “notice of intention” will give Sydney Airport the first right of refusal over the development. Analysts expect Sydney Airport to commit about $1bn to the terminal, with another $3bn-$4bn coming from the federal government or debt financing, with tens of thousands of jobs now depending on the speed and scale of the investment.
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Old September 11th, 2016, 12:22 AM   #2209
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Companies don't like paying taxes? Amazing.
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Old September 11th, 2016, 03:54 PM   #2210
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Meh, it would just get passed on to passengers anyway.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 05:05 AM   #2211
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Progress!

http://minister.infrastructure.gov.a...f068_2016.aspx
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Environmental Impact Statement for Western Sydney Airport released

The Western Sydney Airport Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) has been finalised.

This is an important milestone towards a Western Sydney Airport commencing operations in the mid-2020s, a critical project which will provide jobs and growth for Western Sydney and ensure long-term aviation needs are met.

The Government has carefully considered the submissions received on the draft EIS which was released in October 2015, particularly in relation to flight paths and noise impacts of aircraft. The final EIS contains significant changes from the draft EIS to reflect government decisions made in response to the submissions.

First, the final EIS states that there will not be a single merge point over Blaxland.

Secondly, the final EIS sets out broader principles in relation to flight paths for a Western Sydney Airport, including particularly that there will not be a single merge point over any residential community.

Thirdly, the final EIS sets out an important preferred option for ‘head to head operations’ during evening hours (11 pm to 6 am) as a means of minimising the number of homes affected by aircraft noise at night. Head to head operations will involve flights both taking off to, and landing from, the southwest of the runway in circumstances where it is safe to do so. There is more detailed work to do to analyse weather patterns and assess safety considerations, but indications are that this operating mode could be available greater than 80 per cent of the time.

... continues
Full EIS here:
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Old September 16th, 2016, 06:14 AM   #2212
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Nice catch



Sounds like they're not very optimistic about an express line though.

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5. Direct rail express service: WSA to*Parramatta

This option would include a direct rail express service from the proposed Western Sydney Airport to Parramatta and through to Sydney CBD. This line would require a new tunnel as it approaches Parramatta and from Parramatta through to the Sydney CBD. This service offers the potential for the fastest service between the airport and these two major centres, but would be comparatively expensive to construct. Initial assessments indicate that such a line could achieve journey times of 15 minutes from the proposed Western Sydney Airport to Parramatta and 12 minutes from Parramatta to the Sydney CBD based on a maximum speed of 160 kilometres per hour. While such a service would provide a short travel time to the broader Sydney basin and CBD, it would not necessarily service the population who are expected to work at and use a Western Sydney Airport in the short-term.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 10:35 AM   #2213
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Uh oh. Someone keep an eye on zoom in case he pops a blood vessel in frustration.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 10:40 AM   #2214
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Fairfax piece this week:
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However, the latest plans do not provide for a rail link to the airport when it opens in 2025 because "the road network upgrades currently underway or planned have been assessed as adequate".
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Old September 16th, 2016, 10:40 AM   #2215
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Old September 16th, 2016, 12:52 PM   #2216
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What happened to the Victoria Rd option?
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