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Old May 18th, 2010, 10:35 PM   #2541
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You mean "u/g utilities" is small issue for an u/g metro?????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
So you mean laying underground utilities is as costly as building underground metro ?
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Old May 19th, 2010, 08:52 AM   #2542
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So you mean laying underground utilities is as costly as building underground metro ?
No. What I meant was, the direct and indirect costs of safely moving utilities adds considerably to the total cost. You have to factor in damages (and attendant delays and litigation), re-digging and re-laying of utilities along another alignment, delays for the re-work due to pending permissions or some other obstacle.....the damn list goes on and on and on.....

And all these costs are to be borne eventually by the contractor executing the metro project.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 08:55 AM   #2543
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most u/g utilities are not as deep as a metro tunnel. the only ones that are some sewage and water supply lines
If they use CnC, it would not make any difference....utilities will need to be shifted anyways. Only in some DnB projects would shallow utilities be completely unaffected....again, I say some, since any exposure to the surface (like station exits, ventilation ducting etc.) would require reworking the shallow utilities locally.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 08:57 AM   #2544
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There we go again......



Shaky building stalls Metro project at Ghatkopar

The state government has asked the MMRDA to stop work near Sarvodaya Hospital in Ghatkopar over fears that a dilapidated building adjoining it would collapse the moment digging work is undertaken to construct pillars for the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar Metro project. A fortnight ago, residents of Sarvodaya Quarters, a 40-yearold building next to the hospital, prevented Mumbai Metro One officials from starting work on the project on Golibar Road, which is a mere 500 metres from Ghatkopar station.

Bhaskar Jadhav, minister of state for urban development, said, “I have asked the MMRDA to stop work on this stretch as it poses a risk to the inhabitants of the building.’’ Mangesh Naik, a resident, said, “MMRDA had warned us that any piling work close to our building will lead to the entire structure’s collapse.

Despite this, the MMRDA and their contractors came to carry out the work. We had no option but to send them back.’’ Amit Solanki, another resident, added, “The BMC had declared our building as dilapidated in 2002, but the hospital authorities never made any efforts to repair it.’’ The BMC had issued notices to the trustees in June 2009 to pull down the building, which houses 102 tenants. Harish Mehta, trustee of Sarvodaya Hospital Trust, said, “I cannot comment on the issue as the matter is sub-judice.’’ Residents are unwilling to vacate the premises claiming ownership. Naik said, “We used to stay in a slum on the plot where the building now stands. Since the then trustees did not want a slum adjoining their new hospital, they provided us free accommodation on the condition that we work in their hospital.’’

Ashwini Bhide, additional metropolitan commissioner, MMRDA, said, “We have decided not to carry out work in front of the building till the time the issue is resolved. Moreover, work could not be undertaken as the traffic police is yet to close the stretch on which the building is located, till an alternate traffic plan is in place.’’ MMRDA commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad has asked the BMC to resolve the matter. Bhide said, “The BMC has already issued them notices and it is for them and trustees or the tenants to find a solution to the problem.’’
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Old May 19th, 2010, 09:54 AM   #2545
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Central and state govts have to pay the debt only when DMRC defaults. Since DMRC is earning operational profits, it is servicing the loan from its own books.

Share of centre and states is equal in all of them.



That's because of unrealistically high cost of underground metro in Mumbai compared to other cities (600 crore/km).
I doubt that. The principal repayments are yet to start. It is servicing only interest at a nominal rate of 1.5% ( I am not sure, if there is moratorium for that too). DMRC made around Rs.700 crore EBITDA and Rs.200 crore PBT in 2008-09. So, the approximate cash accruals would be around Rs.300 Crores after adjusting depreciation in 2008-09. The profit margins is not likely to increase in future as it is difficult to increase ticket rate unless the cost increases. Moreover, the maintenance expenses will increase as the system gets old. The annual installments for the debt portion of the operational lines would be around Rs.500 crore (for 40 years) once it starts. As years pass, Govt has to pay it back.

But there is nothing wrong in that. Infrastructure projects need not be profitable always.

And one more thing, Bangalore metro is charged a higher interest rate of 3.5%. Is it because of the guarantee structure. Is Bangalore Metro guaranteed by GoK?
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Old May 19th, 2010, 10:21 AM   #2546
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Shaky building stalls Metro project at Ghatkopar

Ashwini Bhide, additional metropolitan commissioner, MMRDA, said, “We have decided not to carry out work in front of the building till the time the issue is resolved.
Are they going to wait till the building collapse automatically?
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Old May 19th, 2010, 12:01 PM   #2547
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Are they going to wait till the building collapse automatically?
I think they should go ahead nevertheless....damn the building owners. If they dont wanna maintain their own property, why should MM1 and the city suffer!!!
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Old May 19th, 2010, 12:41 PM   #2548
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Is this yet another bunch of Sarvodaya hospital employees? I'd heard that one lot had the same issue of dilapidated building, but had already accepted a resettlement plan in Nahur. Jeez, how many people does this place employ?
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False alarm, methinks. That magicbricks article is dated Januray 2010. The below article from April clarifies:

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/repor...-nahur_1375922
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Old May 19th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #2550
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yea thats an old article.The issue has been solved now.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #2551
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yea thats an old article.The issue has been solved now.
Sorry my bad......did not notice the date....I guess was jaded after the days work, n wanted to let it out on some1....then y not our very own MMRDA!!! (There should be a spl emoticon for being relieved!!!)
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No. What I meant was, the direct and indirect costs of safely moving utilities adds considerably to the total cost. You have to factor in damages (and attendant delays and litigation), re-digging and re-laying of utilities along another alignment, delays for the re-work due to pending permissions or some other obstacle.....the damn list goes on and on and on.....

And all these costs are to be borne eventually by the contractor executing the metro project.
That's the same case with all other cities. Rs 300 crore/km includes all these shifting costs. Mumbai is not that much different from all other cities of India.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 01:44 AM   #2553
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i'll build u/g metro at 1 crore/km yeah? :P
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Old May 20th, 2010, 08:21 AM   #2554
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That's the same case with all other cities. Rs 300 crore/km includes all these shifting costs. Mumbai is not that much different from all other cities of India.
How many cities in India have that dense a network of u/g utilities as Mumbai????
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Old May 20th, 2010, 08:23 AM   #2555
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Wonder where they will find that much land???

Surely, this is a harbinger of another protracted fight!!! Tighten your seatbelts, folks!!!

MMRDA eyes 1,045 acres for Metro car sheds

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority has staked claim to 1,045 acres of land across Mumbai, as probable sites for Metro and Monorail car sheds.
“We’ve submitted a proposal to the government seeking reservation on 1,045 acres of land, as potential sites for car depots for the Metro and monorail projects,” MMRDA spoke-sperson Dilip Kawathkar said.
The 14 plots are spread across Oshiwara, Borivli, Ghatkopar, Malvani, Govandi and Dahisar. “Some of these plots belong to the Revenue Department, some are with private developers,” he added.
But it’s not a done deal yet. Many of these landowners don’t want to give up their land. One of them is the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation, which refused to part with its 15-hectare Gorai dumping ground, which was shut recently.
“We wrote to the Urban Development Department seeking reservation of the dumping ground land for MMRDA. But the BMC declined to hand it over, as it wants to use the land for its own projects,” MMRDA Assistant Metropolitan Commissioner Ashok Wankhede said.
Land availability for car sheds is slowing down the MMRDA’s plans to build a 150 km Metro rail network and a 100 km Monorail. Car sheds and depots typically need large sweeps of land where rakes can be serviced and parked when not in use.
And in space starved Mumbai, finding such large tracts of land is turning out to be a stiff challenge. Both of MMRDA’s initial Metro projects were delayed, after running into problems with land for car sheds. The Versova - Andheri - Ghatkopar Metro line was delayed after MMRDA’s plan to allot 13.8 hectares for a depot ran into legal problems on the ownership issue. By the time the problem was sorted out, it had caused serious time and cost overruns.
MMRDA’s second Metro line, Charkop - Bandra - Mankhurd, is also in trouble, with protests against the 20-hectare depot meant to come up at Charkop.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 08:26 AM   #2556
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More bad news!!!

IR, MMRDA, MSRDC and BMC should stop building infrastructure and concentrate on honing their skills at "pass the buck"!!!! ******* inepts!!!

7 mths to launch, no design for metro bridge at Andheri

Your dream of commuting in an air-conditioned metro rail coach just got delayed, again. Western Railways (WR) officials have claimed that Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), the Reliance Infrastructure-led consortium which is constructing Mumbai's first metro rail, is yet to submit the final design of a key rail-over-bridge (RoB) connecting the metro corridor between Versova-Andheri and Ghatkopar.
With barely seven months to go before the first metro starts operating between Versova-Andheri and Ghatkopar, as promised by the project overseer Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), and MMOPL, the final design of the 180-metre-long RoB crossing over the railway tracks near Andheri station is still to be submitted to the railways. As per the plans, the bridge will take about 10 months to construct.
Western Railways chief public relations officer SS Gupta told DNA that MMOPL has not even submitted the designs to Stup Consultants, an independent proof-checking agency appointed by MMOPL. "Although WR has given an in-principle 'go ahead' to the construction of the RoB long ago by clearing the general arrangement design (GAD), MMOPL is yet to submit the finer designs and the detailed drawings to us. How can our chief bridge engineer (CBE) let the work begin before the detailed designs are shown and proof-checked by Stup Consultants?" questioned Gupta.
While WR officials claim to be committed to giving the clearances to all the designs submitted for the various MMRDA projects, officials of the authority say they are up in arms against what they call a lacklustre approach of the railways. MMRDA commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad was upset that the metro was getting delayed since WR is yet to give even minor permissions. "I am optimistic that WR officials will take our projects seriously. Earlier, they had reservations about the Milan Subway flyover. However, they have now cleared it," said Gaikwad.
Contrary to the version of WR officials, Gaikwad said that the designs were submitted to the CBE on Tuesday, and after minor changes, it will be cleared in the next two days.
The construction of this otherwise small bridge is going to be a daunting task for metro officials. The total length of the steel bridge will be 183 metres. Out of this, a stretch of 90 metres will be right inside the railway area. MMOPL has already begun the work of constructing a bridge from the east side of Andheri. After the first span is completed, engineers will launch their machines on it to complete the other spans. This will take at least 9 to 10 months, since MMOPL will get barely get 3-4 hours each day for construction, when the suburban as well as through trains do not run. Though MMOPL and MMRDA have been pushing for a deadline of December 2010 for the metro to start, this work obviously is going to be a major hurdle for them.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #2557
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Metro Line 3 extension to airport

Source: TimesofIndia epaper

Metro may go up to airports
Ashley D’Mello I TNN

Mumbai: The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) is planning to extend the Metro network to improve connectivity to the city’s domestic and international airports.
The MMRDA officials have proposed a special line that would start at Mahim and go up to the domestic and international airports with stops at Dharavi as well as Vidyanagari Campus in Kalina. The line will have a stop on the Western Express Highway near the Vile Parle station to give citizens easy access to the international airport.
Senior officials in charge of the Metro planning said that this special line would be connected to the Mumbai Metro’s third line. The earlier plan of connecting the two airports through the monorail has been shelved.
This special line would move from Mahim onto Dharavi and then cross over to the Bandra-Kurla Complex. From there, it would go to the University of Mumbai at Kalina, domestic airport at Santa cruz, international airport at Sahar and a spot next to the Western Express Highway near Vile Parle station.
“There is a need to serve the airport area more effectively,” said a Metro rail official. “Dharavi is also a developing area. Moreover, we need to provide connectivity to students and academics who regularly visit the university. The special line would also connect to SEEPZ which has large commuter potential,’’ the official added.
According to officials involved in the Metro planning, the inclusion of all these spots in the special line is commercially viable owing to the growing commuter traffic there.
The first Metro line—Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar, is being constructed by Reliance Infrastructure led consortium. Work is yet to start on the second line—Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd.
The Colaba-Bandra line will be underground till Mahalaxmi and will then go on elevated tracks to Bandra. While MMRDA officials claim that this line would be ready in five years, the final details of the project are yet to be approved by the Centre.
“We have been talking to the airport officials and feel this will be the most effective way of connecting the airport. We have indicated the spots where stations may come up, but a final decision has not been taken,’’ said the official.
The airport will also be served by the large elevated road being built by the MMRDA from the Western Express Highway to the international airport.This elevated road should be ready by the end of the year.
Initially, the monorail was supposed to connect the two airports. Following a series of discussions, officials concluded that a Metro line would best serve the purpose.
MMRDA-rly blame game delaying Metro Phase I
Mumbai: The railway authorities and the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority(MMRDA) are slugging it out over the issue of permission for a Metro overbridge near the Andheri station.
The Metro first line—Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar—would have to cross the Western Railway tracks at Andheri. MMRDA officials have blamed WR authorities for the delay in execution of the project.
Railway officials, however, are pointing fingers at the MMRDA and the Mumbai Metro One Pvt Ltd (MMOPL), which is building the line. Said WR spokesperson S S Gupta, “The MMOPL has not yet submitted its detailed plan for the overbridge.” Meanwhile, the MMOPL has begun bridge work on either side of WR tracks pending a final clearance of the bridge’s design.
—Ashley D’Mello | TNN
Nod for Thane-Bhiwandi monorail likely this week
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Mumbai: The 30-km Thane-Kalyan-Bhiwandi monorail project report is likely to be approved by the Mumbai Metro Rail Corporation this week, following which it will be forwarded to the Centre for approval for the Viability Gap Funding(VGF). Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) commissioner Ratnakar Gaikwad said that the Rs 4,200-crore project will give a fillip to the region. “The project report for the Colaba-Bandra Metro line will also be submitted to the Centre for approval. The VGF funding could be as high as 30% for this project,’’ said Gaikwad, adding, “The Metro and monorail routes, once complete, will carry 50 lakh people to their destinations on a daily basis.” The two will help take many vehicles off the roads, he added.
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Things that don't make too much sense

1. Airport terminals are to be consolidated at the International Terminal (T2). Whats the use of the metro passing through the current domestic terminal ? If they take the metro line underground after touching mumbai university, it can pass straight under the tarmac / runways and reach T2...why the detour through the domestic terminal...

2. When the hell was a monorail between the terminals planned...they talk as if there was a plan all along...

3. Dharavi...seriously ?
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Does Reliance have any money left....

After the 3G auctions, where Ambani Jr. outbid practically everyone else to emerge as the winner, I guess he wont have any money left to spend on MM1 (and other future Mumbai metro phases)!!! Good news....atleast that will give other cos a chance to bid for the next few phases!!!
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Old May 20th, 2010, 10:37 AM   #2560
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Things that don't make too much sense

1. Airport terminals are to be consolidated at the International Terminal (T2). Whats the use of the metro passing through the current domestic terminal ? If they take the metro line underground after touching mumbai university, it can pass straight under the tarmac / runways and reach T2...why the detour through the domestic terminal...
May be they were thinking of building the metro line around the edge of the runway, so that pax could board directly board their flts without bothering to check in thru the terminal....could get the metro operator some extra cash by way of boarding fees and the like!!!

And I thought T1 would eventually become a cargo terminal....so may be Mumbai Metro will be the first MRTS rail system with goods compartment to carry luggage and cargo to the cargo terminal....u never know what can happen if MMRDA applies its mind!!!

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2. When the hell was a monorail between the terminals planned...they talk as if there was a plan all along...
Why not???? Same reason they can build a metro.....allow direct boarding from monorail coach to the airplane.....a first anywhere in this goddamn universe!!! Will allow the monorail operator to never run at a loss!!!

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3. Dharavi...seriously ?
Cmon, dont b so elitist, n dont u dare underestimate these folks.....Dharavi has some of the biggest SME units anywhere in this country, and is a very lucrative (poverty-porn-)tourist destination.....they deserve a unique transportation alternative....I say, build a circular monorail and metro along the periphery of the entire Dharavi precinct esp for these folks!!!

All comments to be taken in jest!!!

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