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Old July 25th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #1
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Please check (or even edit) the MRTS article on wikipedia
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Old July 25th, 2012, 04:35 PM   #2
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The article contains a lot of details on MRTS. Please take details from those and use in this

forum if possible. This will enhance the topics for discussion in this forum, perhaps.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #3
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Hi friends,

1. Regarding the Wikipedia article - view and edit it

2. The article contains a lot of details on MRTS. Please take details from those and use in this

forum if possible. This will enhance the topics for discussion in this forum, perhaps.

3. Please post details (those with authentic references like newspapers) and images present in

this forum onto Wikipedia. This will enhance the content of MRTS article on Wikipedia.

4. The wikipedia article contains several newspaper references. These may be opened up for

discussion in this forum. TOI, Hindu, Indian Express and Deccan Chronicle References.
Users can also do the vice versa - i.e. add references to the Wikipedia article

5. Users can upload their own images onto Wikipedia. The vice versa can also be done - i.e. images

from the Wikipedia article can be used here for discussion, if any.

6. Latest details about the project may be included in Wikipedia
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Old July 25th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #4
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Access Routes to MRTS (AND NOT ABOUT the MRTS stations) Complain online at Chennai Corporation WEBSITE

1. All of you, Please complain (online) about the poor quality of access roads to MRTS stations . Register your complaints online at the
Chennai Corporation Website.

PLS NOTE: This would help us and all other MRTS users. If many people complain, they would take

better steps considering the volume of complaints pouring in regarding Approach Routes to MRTS

Stations

2. KINDLY NOTE - PLEASE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT MRTS OR THE STATIONS AS SUCH IN CHENNAI CORPORATION

WEBSITE. COMPLAIN ONLY ABOUT THE ACCESS ROUTES - WHICH MAY BE NARROW, LACK STREET LIGHTING, FILLED

WITH GARBAGE, ETC.

3. IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE MRTS SERVICES OR THE STATION BUILDINGS AT THIS WEBSITE, THE

AUTHORITIES WILL SIMPLY EVADE SAYING IT COMES UNDER THE PURVIEW OF RAILWAYS

4. You can register complaints online at Chennai Corporation website by Clicking

"Suggestion/Contact us" link on the left hand side. In the page that subsequently opens, Click

"Register Complaints via Internet" and fill in the details.

5. For example,
For Light House Railway Station:
Complain regarding the approach road to the station which is dark, unhygienic and unsafe

Another Example: For Triplicane Railway station: Complaint may be raised like
=>Lack of Proper & safe approach roads - Pycrofts road to station is dumped with waste and is

unhygienic, Sunguwar street entrance is blocked with abandoned gates, Garbage is dumped near the

station's approach roads,etc.

I have already raised my complaints. THEY ACTUALLY START PROCESSING THE COMPLAINT WITHIN A WEEK OR

SO.
Please drop in your respective complaints regarding the poor quality of approach routes to various

MRTS stations you know. If many people complain, it may help.

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Old July 25th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #5
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Chennai Corporation authorities actually respond to the complaints filed online and start taking action also

The complaints filed online in the Chennai Corporation website are seen by the authorities who take action by forwarding the complaint to the departments concerned. The overall process may take time of about 3 weeks. In case they close the complaint after taking action, we get benefited. Else if they close the complaint after taking partial action, you may file another complaint or reopen the case.


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1. All of you, Please complain (online) about the poor quality of access roads to MRTS stations . Register your complaints online at the
Chennai Corporation Website.

PLS NOTE: This would help us and all other MRTS users. If many people complain, they would take

better steps considering the volume of complaints pouring in regarding Approach Routes to MRTS

Stations

2. KINDLY NOTE - PLEASE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT MRTS OR THE STATIONS AS SUCH IN CHENNAI CORPORATION

WEBSITE. COMPLAIN ONLY ABOUT THE ACCESS ROUTES - WHICH MAY BE NARROW, LACK STREET LIGHTING, FILLED

WITH GARBAGE, ETC.

3. IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE MRTS SERVICES OR THE STATION BUILDINGS AT THIS WEBSITE, THE

AUTHORITIES WILL SIMPLY EVADE SAYING IT COMES UNDER THE PURVIEW OF RAILWAYS

4. You can register complaints online at Chennai Corporation website by Clicking

"Suggestion/Contact us" link on the left hand side. In the page that subsequently opens, Click

"Register Complaints via Internet" and fill in the details.

5. For example,
For Light House Railway Station:
Complain regarding the approach road to the station which is dark, unhygienic and unsafe

Another Example: For Triplicane Railway station: Complaint may be raised like
=>Lack of Proper & safe approach roads - Pycrofts road to station is dumped with waste and is

unhygienic, Sunguwar street entrance is blocked with abandoned gates, Garbage is dumped near the

station's approach roads,etc.

I have already raised my complaints. THEY ACTUALLY START PROCESSING THE COMPLAINT WITHIN A WEEK OR

SO.
Please drop in your respective complaints regarding the poor quality of approach routes to various

MRTS stations you know. If many people complain, it may help.
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Old July 28th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #6
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Authorities see the complaints and post replies.

1. What you are saying may be true. I don't disagree with you. The MTC may loose if other modes

take a lead, this perhaps could be the reason why the corporation doesn't cooperate with MRTS.

2. Apart from the reason you mentioned, it could also be this way - The Corporation authorities

are simply lazy and obviously they're Govt. staff - what else can we expect. But the railways too

don't care about the stations. Look at the state of the most of the stations - they are as bad as

the approach roads.

3. check the article "Mass Rejected Transit System" on Business today website (Just google the

title or click the url below). This article discusses almost all aspects of MRTS - Please do have

a look at this article. URL : http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...em/1/5396.html

4. Now there is an authority called CUMTA - Chennai Unified Metropolitan Transport Authority which

plans to integrate all modes of transport - So if this works, then MTC should not shy away from

the MRTS - Both Corporation and railways need to cooperate.

5. If possible, you may also check the wikipedia article on MRTS




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Does the corporation authorities have no eyes to see all these.Don't they really know the situation on the ground.Complaints are regularly made but improvements are not forthcoming.I asked my cousin who stays in Triplicane and he told me that the corporation has no intention to improve the roads or street to the stations under state govt's pressure as that will improve the patronage to the MRTS at the cost of MTC and the Govt does not want to enrich the Railways by bleeding the state transport undertaking.I feel he is right.

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Old July 29th, 2012, 09:12 AM   #7
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Corporation has improved Accessibility to Perungudi MRTS station improved (dated Feb 2011)

Please refer the url:http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper...cle1160517.ece

This is an article from The Hindu. Following points are quoted from this article for your consideration:

1. "Thanks to the Chennai Corporation, Sanjay Garden Street, which connects the Perungudi Railway Station with several residential colonies, has been paved with concrete, much to the relief of the commuters. "

2.
"A senior official of the civic body said that they have been receiving hundreds of complaints from residents about the bad road condition."


3.

"Now that the road has been paved with concrete, new street lights would be installed and those lights that were not working would be replaced with new bulbs."




All of you please complain about the poor quality of approach roads, streetlights,etc. in various MRTS stations @ Chennai Corporation Website. (Please check on one of my previous posts on further details reg this)





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Does the corporation authorities have no eyes to see all these.Don't they really know the situation on the ground.Complaints are regularly made but improvements are not forthcoming.I asked my cousin who stays in Triplicane and he told me that the corporation has no intention to improve the roads or street to the stations under state govt's pressure as that will improve the patronage to the MRTS at the cost of MTC and the Govt does not want to enrich the Railways by bleeding the state transport undertaking.I feel he is right.
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Old July 29th, 2012, 03:22 PM   #8
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URL for wikipedia article on MRTS, Chennai

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Rapid_Transit_System_(Chennai)
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 08:25 PM   #9
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Please lodge your complaints about MRTS by email (or by other means also) to Souther Railways.

The following URL on Southern Railway Website:-

URL:
http://www.sr.indianrailways.gov.in/...g=0&id=0,2,325


Click the links:-

PUBLIC GRIEVANCES REDREASAL MACHINERY

and

VIGILANCE ORGANISATION

Two PDFs are available for download- Email address for complaining is available in these PDFs. Kindly complain. If more people complain they make take action.
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Old August 11th, 2012, 11:12 AM   #10
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Kindly complain to southern railways (via email) and chennai corporation (online)

Please refer to my previous posts for details

1. Complaints to Chennai corporation on their website are continuously monitored and you also get replies. Physical Work (not just paper work) also is actually done to process the complaints.

Please complain regarding poor access roads, absence of streetlighting, garbage dumping, bovine menace, etc near MRTS stations. But don't complain about the interior of the stations or trains to chennai corporation as it's not their domain

2. Please refer my previous post to find 2 pdfs having email ids of southern railway authorities who process the complaints.

They also reply to the complaints.


All of you please do your part, and if many of them complain regarding the stations to southern railways and approach areas/roads to chennai corporation, I believe something better would happen.

Kindly refer my previous posts
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Old October 26th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #11
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MRTS extend from St.Thomas Mount-downgrade and merge it at Guindy.

I have been reading some of the past posts.
1. There is a three tier station at St.Thomas Mount, the express and Beach-Tambaram(/Chegangalpet/tirumaplur) emu trains at grade (ground) level, mrts at level one and Metro (koyambedu-st.thomas mount) at level two. Refer wikipedia article on MRTS for further details.
Why don't they extend the mrts line from st.thomas mount (after it's completed upto mount), downgrade it to Guindy so that it can merge completely with the MSB-TBM sub-urban network?
This would help/have following benefits:
a) Direct connectivity of Egmore and Tambaram through a single train instead of passengers having got to hop trains
b) Integration of Metro's Mount Road corridor with the MRTS at Guidy. Currently the Mount Road corridor of Metro doesn't integrate with MRTS. Passengers/ office goers from Teynampet or LIC could easily go by trains (one metro plus one mrts through guindy) to Puzuthivakkam or Velachery
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Extend MRTS Thiruvanmiyur

The MRTS can be extended in two ways beyond Thiruvanmiyur station.
Thiruvanmiyur should be made an MRTS junction.
a)Along the IT corridor itself.

This will boost the connectivity along IT corridor. Already numerous companies, residential and IT /commercial parks have blossomed in this corridor. The local transportation by rail, would be a definite boost to the City's infrastructure, particularly the connectivity on this booming corridor and would attract a myriad more companies investing in Chennai. Thousands of IT employees would be benefited.

b)Alignment on the buckhingham canal:-
Alternatively, the network can be extended along the buckhingham canal itself (see google maps), that runs 500 m away from the IT corridor,yet almost parallel to it. This alignment would ease construction process and avoid traffic while executing construction on the IT corridor. On the flip side, the stations would suffer from lack of multi-modal integration (with MTC buses and autos) and lack safe approach roads like the existing stations.
Certainly this alignment also would help in boosting the image of the IT corridor and the industrial image of the city as such.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 08:36 PM   #13
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Perambur should be promoted instead of Royapuram

Perambur station should be promoted instead of Royapuram station because of the following reasons:-
Trains "passing through chennai" can be routed directly via perambur WITHOUT REVERSAL (and without touching and crowding chennai central)
For example, The Guwahati-Ernakualam Express comes like this:-
These are not stoppings, but the route is like this inside Chennai:-
Gummidipoondi...-Ennore-Korukkupet-Basin Bridge Jn-Chennai Central-Basin Bridge Junction-Vyasarpadi Jeeva-Perambur-..Arakkonam

Instead of coming to the "DEAD-END" Station of Chennai central, reversing the engine and again going back through basin bridge junction, this train can be routed like:-
Gummidipoondi...-Ennore-Korukkupet-Vyasarpadi Jeeva-Perambur-..Arakkonam (without touching Basin Bridge Jn and Chennai Central.)

Advantages:-
1. Saves hell a lot of time- saves time in
a) Traffic at Chennai Central due to lot of express and sub-urban trains.
This can be avoided by routing through korukkupet-perambur line.
b) platform availability at Chennai Central - getting a platform takes time.
This can be avoided by directly routing through perambur
c) Reversal of engine at chennai central takes time.This can be avoided by directly routing through perambur.

2. Reduces burden of chennai central

3. Adds extra station to chennai

4. Conveniently saves TWO TO THREE HOURS OF time for "trains passing through chennai central"

5. Prevents need for hiring/manufacturing/using extra engines

Disadvantages of Royapuram:-
1. Reversal is needed for trains.
2. Lines towards north of Chennai Beach (via washermanpet, royapuram) is only two laned - only two tracks are available. Already line is overcrowded due to express and sub-urban trains.
3. Chennai Beach -Korukkupet or Chennai Beach - Vysarpadi or Chennai Beach- Chennai Central (all three via Washermanpet and Royapuram)
4. Lot of sub-urban trains and express trains on the same two lines - overcrowding.
5. "trains passing through chennai" won't save time. They will consume the same time as currently consumed.
6. Sub-urban train connectivity is very less in Royapuram compared to perambur
7. Only two lanes of track are available at Royapuram unlike perambur where there 4 lanes of track and proposal to establish 6 lanes in perambur route has been made already.
Where is 6-lane and where is 2 lane???
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UNIQUE!!!!!!!! Yesvanthpur-Dibrugarh Express is a unique train via Chennai

The train Yesvanthpur - Dibrugarh (Dibrugarh - Yesvathpur also, obviously) is very (extremely) UNIQUE trains to CHENNAI. I don't know how many are
aware of this fact.

Verify this information Southern Railway website or erail.in website!!!

Amazing and unique facts about this train are
1. This train NEITHER touches Chennai Central NOR touches Chennai Egmore
2. This train stops at Perambur for 10 minutes
3. This train doesn't stop anywhere else in chennai except Perambur
4. This train doesn't touch Chennai Beach or Royapuram or Tambaram or Basin Bridge Jn either.
5. This train follows the unique route which is used by no other express train inside Chennai.
This train passes through this route (not stoppages) Gummidpoondi-...Ennore-Korukkupet-Vysarpadi-Perambur(STOP)-...Avadi...Tirvallur
6. This train saves about 3 HOURS OF TIME while navigating Chennai compared to its counterparts like Guwhati-Bangalore express,etc.
This is done by extra time to reach the heavily crowded Chennai Central station through the crowded tracks (saves atleast 1 hour [into central] and 1 ) and saves engine reversal time (at least 20 min to half an hour), saves time by bypassing equivalently 4 stations (twice chennai central and twice basin bridge Jn.) and saves a lot of distance navigated in a metro city. See Google maps for understanding


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Perambur station should be promoted instead of Royapuram station because of the following reasons:-
Trains "passing through chennai" can be routed directly via perambur WITHOUT REVERSAL (and without touching and crowding chennai central)
For example, The Guwahati-Ernakualam Express comes like this:-
These are not stoppings, but the route is like this inside Chennai:-
Gummidipoondi...-Ennore-Korukkupet-Basin Bridge Jn-Chennai Central-Basin Bridge Junction-Vyasarpadi Jeeva-Perambur-..Arakkonam

Instead of coming to the "DEAD-END" Station of Chennai central, reversing the engine and again going back through basin bridge junction, this train can be routed like:-
Gummidipoondi...-Ennore-Korukkupet-Vyasarpadi Jeeva-Perambur-..Arakkonam (without touching Basin Bridge Jn and Chennai Central.)

Advantages:-
1. Saves hell a lot of time- saves time in
a) Traffic at Chennai Central due to lot of express and sub-urban trains.
This can be avoided by routing through korukkupet-perambur line.
b) platform availability at Chennai Central - getting a platform takes time.
This can be avoided by directly routing through perambur
c) Reversal of engine at chennai central takes time.This can be avoided by directly routing through perambur.

2. Reduces burden of chennai central

3. Adds extra station to chennai

4. Conveniently saves TWO TO THREE HOURS OF time for "trains passing through chennai central"

5. Prevents need for hiring/manufacturing/using extra engines

Disadvantages of Royapuram:-
1. Reversal is needed for trains.
2. Lines towards north of Chennai Beach (via washermanpet, royapuram) is only two laned - only two tracks are available. Already line is overcrowded due to express and sub-urban trains.
3. Chennai Beach -Korukkupet or Chennai Beach - Vysarpadi or Chennai Beach- Chennai Central (all three via Washermanpet and Royapuram)
4. Lot of sub-urban trains and express trains on the same two lines - overcrowding.
5. "trains passing through chennai" won't save time. They will consume the same time as currently consumed.
6. Sub-urban train connectivity is very less in Royapuram compared to perambur
7. Only two lanes of track are available at Royapuram unlike perambur where there 4 lanes of track and proposal to establish 6 lanes in perambur route has been made already.
Where is 6-lane and where is 2 lane???
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Old October 27th, 2012, 05:38 PM   #15
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Ya I know that. I have clearly mentioned the routes of both the trains. Kindly read my post again. I am sorry if i had not phrased it correctly for readers who just skim through the post, but I have clearly mentioned that Guwahati-Ernakulam express touches central. I also know that only dbrg-ypr express takes korukkupet-vysarpadi line, but thanks for the info on dhanbad-alppey express's erstwhile route.

And sorry for posting in the wrong thread, however I was searching for the right thread before posting, I couldn't find it. Since this was the only chennai trains thread I was able find, I posted here.

Btw, perambur may have only two platforms, but what is more important is the no. of lines passing through perambur and possible expansions in the future.
1. Perambur has 4 lanes of tracks and a proposal for 6 laning. Royapuram has only 2 lanes
2. Negligible space for further development at Royapuram while lot of scope (relatively) and space at Perambur
Not only that Royapuram has only 2 lanes, and expansion is virtually impossible(i feel, may not be perfectly ture) since there is very very little space between the railway lines and compound walls on either side ( I guess harbour/port compound wall). I guess you would have travelled on this madras beach-royapuram-washermanpet, you can just very easily touch the compound walls on either side from the train, without much effort, there's not even a millimeter of space for expansion of rail network on this line.

On the other hand, there is lot of space (atleast relatively) on the vysarpadi-perambur section for further expansion, and also enough space at perambur station.

3. Reversal is not at all necessary at Perambur!! but reversal is compulsory at royapuram
4. VESTED INTERESTS (politics, and influence of local people and employees who have personal gains) in elevating royapuram as a terminal.
5. By developing Perambur as a terminal, Chennai Could attract more trains that currently bypass the city. A hell a lot of trains bypass Chennai to save time by navigating through Ongole-gudur jn-renigunta-katpadi route. (Refer erail.in). All these trains could be routed via perambur, thus getting a great compromise between time as well as metro-city i.e chennai as touch point. Currently trains bypass chennai to avoid the huge time to get in and get out of the "dead-end'ed" chennai central which is overcrowded. (additional burden faced is reversal of engine) Thus by developing perambur as terminal,
a) Chennai would get more trains (those trains that currently bypass chennai by taking gudur-renigunta-katpadi route)
b) prevent chennai central from over crowding
c) save time for trains entering chennai
d) save reversal of engine at Chennai Central or Royapuram.
e) Improve connectivity of chennai and help passengers from north, north east, eastern parts of india apart from those in bangalore,kerla get more trains to chennai (passing by trains, refer erail.in)

6.Perambur has a very good bus terminus which can be further developed.
7.Perambur has a lot of sub-urban trains, unlike royapuram where suburban trains are much less frequent relative to perambur



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Guwahati - ernakulam touches Chennai central, it is only Yeshwantpur - Dibrugarh that skips MAS and takes the Vyasarpadi - Korukkupet line. Dhanbad - Alleppey Exp took this route for a short period years back.
Problem with PER is it only has 2 dedicated express platforms (1up and 1 down) as of now and this route is quite crowded. Sorry for posting this in the MRTS thread (would be too odd if i replied to this question in another thread)

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Old October 28th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #16
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Extend Proposed Monorail from Kathipara to St Thomas Mount

Extend Proposed Monorail from Kathipara to St Thomas Mount.
This would have following advantages:-
1. Multi Modal Integration at St Thomas Mount
a) Five different modes of transport are proposed to integrate at this station.
i. Express Trains (Grade level)
ii. Sub-urban Trains of MSB-TBM route (Grade Level)
iii. MRTS Trains of MSB-STM (via VLCY)
iv. MEtro trains Central-CMBT-STM route
v. MTC buses
b) The sixth mode of transport, i.e monorail should be rapped into this station
2. Each mode of transport will help the other
3. People will be benefited manifold.
4. First in the world, possibly, a station housing 4 different types of trains, would be developed in our city, Chennai
5. Possibly Guinness record at this station
6. Improve the image of the city
7. Improve the image of public Transportation in the city
8. Reach any railway point in the city easily through St.Thomas Mount by taking some type of train or the other.

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Perambur station should be promoted instead of Royapuram station because of the following reasons:-
Trains "passing through chennai" can be routed directly via perambur WITHOUT REVERSAL (and without touching and crowding chennai central)
For example, The Guwahati-Ernakualam Express comes like this:-
These are not stoppings, but the route is like this inside Chennai:-
Gummidipoondi...-Ennore-Korukkupet-Basin Bridge Jn-Chennai Central-Basin Bridge Junction-Vyasarpadi Jeeva-Perambur-..Arakkonam

Instead of coming to the "DEAD-END" Station of Chennai central, reversing the engine and again going back through basin bridge junction, this train can be routed like:-
Gummidipoondi...-Ennore-Korukkupet-Vyasarpadi Jeeva-Perambur-..Arakkonam (without touching Basin Bridge Jn and Chennai Central.)

Advantages:-
1. Saves hell a lot of time- saves time in
a) Traffic at Chennai Central due to lot of express and sub-urban trains.
This can be avoided by routing through korukkupet-perambur line.
b) platform availability at Chennai Central - getting a platform takes time.
This can be avoided by directly routing through perambur
c) Reversal of engine at chennai central takes time.This can be avoided by directly routing through perambur.

2. Reduces burden of chennai central

3. Adds extra station to chennai

4. Conveniently saves TWO TO THREE HOURS OF time for "trains passing through chennai central"

5. Prevents need for hiring/manufacturing/using extra engines

Disadvantages of Royapuram:-
1. Reversal is needed for trains.
2. Lines towards north of Chennai Beach (via washermanpet, royapuram) is only two laned - only two tracks are available. Already line is overcrowded due to express and sub-urban trains.
3. Chennai Beach -Korukkupet or Chennai Beach - Vysarpadi or Chennai Beach- Chennai Central (all three via Washermanpet and Royapuram)
4. Lot of sub-urban trains and express trains on the same two lines - overcrowding.
5. "trains passing through chennai" won't save time. They will consume the same time as currently consumed.
6. Sub-urban train connectivity is very less in Royapuram compared to perambur
7. Only two lanes of track are available at Royapuram unlike perambur where there 4 lanes of track and proposal to establish 6 lanes in perambur route has been made already.
Where is 6-lane and where is 2 lane???
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UNIQUE!!!!!!!! Yesvanthpur-Dibrugarh Express is a unique train via Chennai

UNIQUE!!!!!!!! Yesvanthpur-Dibrugarh Express is a unique train via Chennai
The train Yesvanthpur - Dibrugarh (Dibrugarh - Yesvathpur also, obviously) is very (extremely) UNIQUE trains to CHENNAI. I don't know how many are
aware of this fact.

Verify this information Southern Railway website or erail.in website!!!

Amazing and unique facts about this train are
1. This train NEITHER touches Chennai Central NOR touches Chennai Egmore
2. This train stops at Perambur for 10 minutes
3. This train doesn't stop anywhere else in chennai except Perambur
4. This train doesn't touch Chennai Beach or Royapuram or Tambaram or Basin Bridge Jn either.
5. This train follows the unique route which is used by no other express train inside Chennai.
This train passes through this route (not stoppages) Gummidpoondi-...Ennore-Korukkupet-Vysarpadi-Perambur(STOP)-...Avadi...Tirvallur
6. This train saves about 3 HOURS OF TIME while navigating Chennai compared to its counterparts like Guwhati-Bangalore express,etc.
This is done by extra time to reach the heavily crowded Chennai Central station through the crowded tracks (saves atleast 1 hour [into central] and 1 ) and saves engine reversal time (at least 20 min to half an hour), saves time by bypassing equivalently 4 stations (twice chennai central and twice basin bridge Jn.) and saves a lot of distance navigated in a metro city. See Google maps for understanding
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #19
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Btw, perambur may have only two platforms, but what is more important is the no. of lines passing through perambur and possible expansions in the future.
1. Perambur has 4 lanes of tracks and a proposal for 6 laning. Royapuram has only 2 lanes
2. Negligible space for further development at Royapuram while lot of scope (relatively) and space at Perambur
Not only that Royapuram has only 2 lanes, and expansion is virtually impossible(i feel, may not be perfectly ture) since there is very very little space between the railway lines and compound walls on either side ( I guess harbour/port compound wall). I guess you would have travelled on this madras beach-royapuram-washermanpet, you can just very easily touch the compound walls on either side from the train, without much effort, there's not even a millimeter of space for expansion of rail network on this line.

On the other hand, there is lot of space (atleast relatively) on the vysarpadi-perambur section for further expansion, and also enough space at perambur station.

3. Reversal is not at all necessary at Perambur!! but reversal is compulsory at royapuram
4. VESTED INTERESTS (politics, and influence of local people and employees who have personal gains) in elevating royapuram as a terminal.
5. By developing Perambur as a terminal, Chennai Could attract more trains that currently bypass the city. A hell a lot of trains bypass Chennai to save time by navigating through Ongole-gudur jn-renigunta-katpadi route. (Refer erail.in). All these trains could be routed via perambur, thus getting a great compromise between time as well as metro-city i.e chennai as touch point. Currently trains bypass chennai to avoid the huge time to get in and get out of the "dead-end'ed" chennai central which is overcrowded. (additional burden faced is reversal of engine) Thus by developing perambur as terminal,
a) Chennai would get more trains (those trains that currently bypass chennai by taking gudur-renigunta-katpadi route)
b) prevent chennai central from over crowding
c) save time for trains entering chennai
d) save reversal of engine at Chennai Central or Royapuram.
e) Improve connectivity of chennai and help passengers from north, north east, eastern parts of india apart from those in bangalore,kerla get more trains to chennai (passing by trains, refer erail.in)

6.Perambur has a very good bus terminus which can be further developed.
7.Perambur has a lot of sub-urban trains, unlike royapuram where suburban trains are much less frequent relative to perambur



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Guwahati - ernakulam touches Chennai central, it is only Yeshwantpur - Dibrugarh that skips MAS and takes the Vyasarpadi - Korukkupet line. Dhanbad - Alleppey Exp took this route for a short period years back.
Problem with PER is it only has 2 dedicated express platforms (1up and 1 down) as of now and this route is quite crowded. Sorry for posting this in the MRTS thread (would be too odd if i replied to this question in another thread)
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EVERYONE PLEASE FOLLOW THESE POSTS.

I have read your reply which was excellent. The segregated answers for each of the bullet points/questions was good and I was able to easily comprehend the answers.

Continuing the discussion
Point 1. Heading: Understand requirements of a terminal station

Details:
I also understand the fact that a terminal station should have the facilities like many number of platforms, counters, etc, (as you mentioned towards the end of your reply)
This is definitely crucial for a terminal. Perambur doesn't possess enough space/platforms, but royapuram does, as you said.
However,

Point 2. Heading: MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet Line is having only two tracks and no space on the sides to expand.

Details:
The MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet line is two lane (two lane means only two tracks), and there's negligible space for "expansion" - the word "expansion" here in this "paragraph/point" means, "laying additional lanes of tracks". I am repeating this point to make things extremely clear this time while I am replying.


Point 3: Heading: Knowledge through Travel Experience on MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet Stretch.

Details:
I think you would have traveled in the segment MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet stretch. If you had travelled, you would understand the above mentioned point. There is compound wall on both sides of the railway line. There is not even a millimeter of extra "space". By "space", I mean "space" on the MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet line and NOT "royapuram station". Royapuram station is spacious, but the MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet line has extremely, very extremely little "space" for laying even a single additional track.

Point 4: Heading: Multiple services currently fight on a congested two track line between MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet

Details:
Currently the two track/two-laned MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet line has to serve:-
i) Sub-urban trains
ii)Cargo trains to harbour/port/outside
iii)Few Express trains from Egmore via Beach (not a stop)-Perambur (sometimes a stop)-Arakkonam (Like Dadar Express, Kacheguda express)
iv)Few Express trains from/via Egmore via Beach (not a stop)-Korukkupet (not a stop)-Ennore (not a stop)-Gummipoondi(not a stop)-Gudur Jn.

Example of this type: Trichy/Cape-Howrah Express, NDLS-PDY Express,
Bhuvaneshwar-Rameshwaram Express, and so on and so forth
Thus this two laned/two track line is presently crowded, and the crowding will become intensive to extreme intensive if the foolish act of conversion of royapuram into a terminal is done.

Point 5: Heading: Sub-urban train connectivity to Royapuram is required when it becomes a terminal and this will increase the traffic jam on this stretch heavily, and will lead to a major problem to Chennai's Rail Transporation sector, both inter-city and intra-city

Details:
Sub-urban trains may currently be less on this segment because people hardly come to royapuram (compared to central or egmore), but once you convert royapuram into a terminal, you need sub-urban trains for people to reach the terminal station - How else will people reach the station???? Do you expect a person from arakkonam or chengalpet or tambaram or Velachery or tiruvallur to come by bus all the way till Royapuram Terminus to take an express train - MTC Bus will atleast take 3 hours from chengalpet, 2 hours from Tambaram, 1 hr 45 min from Velachery, 2.5 hours from Arakkonam, but a train will cover all these distances in 45 minutes to 1.5 hours, reducing intra-city travel to royapuram by atleast two times.

On the flip side, providing sub-urban trains would increase traffic on the already two laned line and this will result in chennai loosing more trains both intra city and inter-city causing heavy frustration to all rail passengers who hail from other states, who hail from other cities of TN and also the very own chennaiites.
Royapuram becoming a terminal is an imminent bane to all and sundry.

Point 6: Heading: If not perambur, Make any other station on Vysarpadi-Arakkonam line as a terminal.

Details:
Advantages:
1. 4 lane tracks.
2. Easily isolate sub-urban and express trains
3. Proposal for 6 laning is on cards
4. Space on the sides of this line for further expansion. No problems of compound wall of harbour/pvt/govt buildings like those on the Msb-royapuram-washermanpet line.
5. Easier access by sub-urban trains, and could be connected to MRTS, Ennore line, Central, Egmore, Tambaram line, etc.
6. Existing MTC Bus terminals could be integrated with the sub-urban stations - This is the concept of MULTI-MODAL INTEGRATION OF PUBLIC TRANSPORT, IN TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING.
7. Avoid Reversal of trains passing through chennai and hence save electrical energy, precious time, money for passing by trains. Reduce the need on engine manufacturing units to manufacture additional engines for reversal and shunting at the dead-ended central station.

Point 7: Heading: A live example I have seen for congestion on MSB-Royapuram-Washermanpet line

One day I took the MRTS to reach Chennai Beach, and then I took the sub-urban train from Chennai Beach Station, to goto Ennore. However the suburban train from Beach started half an hour late. Reason: An express train had to pass by this route from Egmore via beach via msb-royapuram-washermanpet line, and as you know, the track is two laned, hence the suburban trains and its passengers have to bear the brunt of the two lane track.

Point 8: Heading: Suburban passengers to the upcoming royapuram station will miss their express trains because of two laned track.

Hence if royapuram is converted to a terminal, as seen from point 7, we can understand that suburban trains would be heavily delayed, so a suburban passenger coming, from say, egmore/tambaram/perambur/avadi/ennore/central/basin bridge/korukkupet/velachery/mylapore/triplicane/st thomas mount to royapuram by a suburban will have to wait for all the myriad, i.e huge number express trains departing or arriving at royapuram to cross the two lane track. The suburban train will be forced to wait before the express trains -> Hence he will miss the actual express train leaving the royapuram station.

Point 9: Heading: All suburban stations (other than royapuram and washermapet) in chennai have more than 2 lanes and are suitable for terminal formation in terms of traffic and intra-city passenger incoming rush to the terminal

Details:
A) All stations on MSB-Tambaram Line are 4 laned.
B) All stations on MAS-Perambur-Arakkonam are 4 laned, and propsal for 6 laning is on the cards.
C) Proposal for three-laning or 4 laning on MAS-Korukupet- Tiruvottiyur- Ennore-Athipet-Gummidipoondi-Sulurpet is on the cards.
D) A meter gauge abandoned track lies parallel to the 3 laned TBM-CGL line, and this is currently (perhaps proposed) converted to BG and hence TBM-CGL line would become 3 laned.
E) Please don't consider MRTS because it's unique for only suburban intra city urban transportation and not meant for express/ cargo trains.

Only Beach-Royapuram-Washermanpet is two laned, and it's impossible to add an extra track


Point 10: Heading: Precious trains bypass Chennai, for your kind information

Details:
I understand your argument why Erankulam-Hyd sabari needn't touch chennai.
But here are some of the precious trains that bypass chennai (adopting Ongole-Nellore-Gudur-Renigunta-Katpadi route), and the reasons why they are precious:-
a) Villupuram-Purulia express. This trains comes from villupuram via tiruvannamalai, tirukkovilur. This train is needed/precious to chennai because
reason 1: There are not enough trains to purulia route from chennai and there are no trains on all days.
reason 2: And the shocking truth is that there is NO direct train from chennai to tiruvannamalai and tirukovilur.
b) The long long Himsagar express, from Jammu-Kanyakumari
The train runs from kashmir to kanyakumari for a whopping 3715 kms but I get blood in my eyes when I recoginse that it doesn't touch chennai. This train is of national importance, because of its length and coverage.
c) Navyug Express Manglore-Jammu
Not enuf connectivity from MAS to north like jammu, so this train is precious to chennai. Perhaps Enuf connectivity from MAS-Manglore, but if this train is routed via perambur, then the load (waitlist tickets, unreserved) on west coast, etc would reduce, especially during festival seasons.
d) Anga Express Yestvantpur-Bhagalpur
No direct train from Chennai to Bhagalpur. So this train is precious and could be routed via perambur
e) Maq Vivek express
Prestigious series of new trains launched by Ms.Mamta Banarjee in the last but one railway budget. Precious train and has cultural value.
f) Vivek express
as in e)
g) yesvatnpur-hatia express.
if routed via perambur, it would reduce load on dhanbad-allepey express
h) tata-ypr express
if routed via perambur, it would reduce load on tata-allepey express
i) gurudev express
will enhance connectivity to both kerla, nagercoil, cape and W.B state.
j) hwh-puduchery express
shorter and commercially good route is available through chennai egmore, refer erail.in for details on this train and ndls-pdy express and understand.


Trains which are justified to bypass chennai:-

a) kerla express tvc-ndls
reasons: good connectivity between mas-tvc and mas-ndls, and this is fundamentally a train for kerla from capital, so needn't touch mas

b) Sabari express
As you said, enuf connectivity bet mas-ers and mas-hyb


c,d,e)seshadri expres (sbc-kakinada), bbs-ypr express, hwh-ypr
reasons similar to above, this is justified to bypass chennai


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Skysun, also see my reply below. Sorry for the long reply, but you raised some good points and they need good answers .


Really? Remember, for Perambur to host more trains, it needs at least 2 more tracks, with additional platforms that can handle 24 coach trains. IMHO, this is not possible without land acquisition. Whereas RPM has relatively more land available, at least the LA costs will be lesser.



You are now confusing the issue: I thought you were concerned about the space at RPM, now you are referring to the RPM-MSB line. What, exactly is your point? Of course, there is very little space between RPM and MSB, but that's another story. RPM can be used for north/west bound trains only.



I don't think there is any proposal to have passing through trains go to RPM and reverse and proceed. IIRC, RPM is to have originating trains. If there is, could you point me toward a link? TIA



Anything wrong with it? After all, it was the 1st terminal in southern India. I think TBM for MS and RPM for MAS can be good satellite terminals. After all, there is an ever increasing demand for trains every passing year. Who knows, maybe yet another might be needed near Villivakkam in the future?

I visualize this in future:
MAS and MS will host the premier trains of today.
Additional trains, after the VM - DG doubling will be started from TBM.
New trains toward Bombay can started from Villivakkam or thereabouts (new terminal). This would be feasible after the RU - Solapur trunk line is fully doubled.
New north bound trains, say, to Ranchi, Bilaspur, and wherever else there is demand can start from RPM.
All lines into the MAS area have at least 4 tracks.

Pipe dreams, eh?



Do you know why these trains bypass Chennai? Not all trains have to pass through the city . I will give you some of my reasons:

1. Demand for End to end traffic. There are a lot of people travelling between, say, Ernakulam and Hyderabad (Sabari exp.) who can avoid the extra time taken to navigate AJJ - PER - GPD and GDR. Given that the current route through AJJ - RU - GDR is doubled and relatively free of congestion, it is a logical choice. MAS has good connectivity to both HYB and ERS, so what is the need to disturb an existing train? I used Sabari as an example, you can use any other train to conclude the same point.
2. My friend, you have forgotten, or at least not mentioned, the primary money spinner for the railways, i.e. goods traffic. There is a port at Chennai and another at Ennore, and there is heavy freight movement around Chennai. Routing new trains through the already perennially congested AJJ - PER or GPD - TNP lines is not an option. The railways aren't going to do something that will adversely impact freight operations, otherwise, where is the money?
3. Most people prefer travelling in trains originating from a station, as there is enough time to board and detrain peacefully, and one does not have to worry about people occupying reserved seats, etc. Hence, routing more trains through Chennai may not be worth it.

This statement says it all:



Most people are not aware of this fact, or don't bother with this train as it does not touch MAS or MS. PER definitely is better connected than RPM, but it pales next to MAS and MS.

As mentioned above, Allepey - Dhanbad (back then it used to run up to Bokaro), was re-routed into MAS after trying the PER halt. There must have been a strong reason for SR to re-allow an extra train into MAS, given the constraints involved, as nicely pointed out by you above.



I agree. But think of the connectivity from the southern parts of the city, both are more or less the same. Take a local train from TBM, get down at MSB and take an auto or bus to RPM. Or, get down at MSPK, cross over to Madras Moore Market, take another train to PER - same problem, right?

I think the idea behind RPM is LA is relatively easier and cheaper. For a terminal, one needs the following:
1. Space for platforms
2. Entrance/exit
3. Ticket counters
4. Platforms and tracks that don't disturb passing through tracks and not affecting freight operations.
5. Pit lines and yard infrastructure for maintenance
6. Loco trip sheds
7. Crew running rooms.
8. Pantry/food facilities
(maybe more)

Now, which is easier? PER or RPM? I am just saying that one has to take in to account all such constraints when thinking about new terminals.

codes:
ERS: Ernakulam
RPM: royapuram
TBM: Tambaram
VM: Villupuram
DG: Dindugul
RU: Renigunta
AJJ: Arakkonam
GDR: Gudur
TNP: Tondiarpet
MSB: Madras beach
MS: Egmore
MAS: Central
MSPK: Madras Park
GPD: Gummidipoondi

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