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Old November 18th, 2017, 02:47 PM   #2041
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And that loop is horribly inefficient for the LR given the gradient and traffic light phasings.

Newcastle is going to be wire free (by battery storage with charging at each terminus) so don't think you can shift trams up there easily. Maybe Canberra.

Agree I don't see any demand problems extending that line thru Green Sq.
In the future CapitolSq/Chinatown will become a big interchange for those coming from the West, along with Central itself

The CAF trams are decent enough, though should have been ordered with double doors in the end cabins (Budapest and Luxembourg Urbos3s have this)

Then I'd probably have a stop just north of Eddy Ave on Pitt St to enable Haymarket/RawsonPl interchange
Then Railway Sq for buses/western extension of Central Walk
They down Regent St and Botany Rd, with transfers to Redfern, Waterloo Metro and Green Square stations
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Old November 19th, 2017, 01:51 AM   #2042
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Newcastle isn't wire free at all.

Should probably move the light rail discussion to the transport forums though.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 02:03 AM   #2043
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Good idea.

I'm still unclear how the IWLR will grow into the Botany Road LR/GrnSQ LR Loop or whether the latter will be a more modern project that interconnects/exchanges on Pitt St Central. So I will wait.

How about we all wait for concrete plans as there is too much space for misreading and leaping to [the wrong?] conclusions, making assumptions, etc., going on here?
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Old November 19th, 2017, 02:49 AM   #2044
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Has this changed?

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/new...goes-wire-free
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Old November 19th, 2017, 02:51 AM   #2045
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Turning the light rail ramp back will cost some asphalt in-fill and removing overhead wires and signals. And a Pitt St turnback is easy to install.
Thanks for clarifying. I was under the impression the loop would have to be recreated elsewhere.
But I see how a turnback makes a lot more sense.

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And that loop is horribly inefficient for the LR given the gradient and traffic light phasings.
I agree. The descent from Central to Haymarket is painfully slow.
If the loop is gotten rid of and the LR instead stops near Pitt St, then hopefully it connects with a Green Square link as others have suggested.

But enough talk of transport. That's for the transport thread.

My hope is that they do the Central revamp well and that the plans/budget don't fall through. I'm very excited by the interest in this future precinct.

There's so much neglected and wasted space at Central. The half-empty shops are the biggest eye sore atm.
These would make great restaurants, especially under the front colonnade.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 03:01 AM   #2046
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There's so much neglected and wasted space at Central. The half-empty shops are the biggest eye sore atm.
These would make great restaurants, especially under the front colonnade.
The "vision" provided as a serving suggestion sees the Eddy Avenue frontage utilised by a large eatery space of sorts hinted at below including cafes.

It's a no brainer to knock down the shabby row of shops but creating an enclosed food court is a masterstroke. Whether it's all food or some general retail as well, and goes the length down to Pitt St is anyone's guess

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Old November 19th, 2017, 03:02 AM   #2047
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Instead we currently have discount shops with their inane recordings
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Old November 19th, 2017, 07:36 AM   #2048
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Not at all. The Hotel entry has to front that ramp, and that requires vehicle access and the light rail completely blocks it.

I understand your concern... removing a vibrant transport interchange just for a small boutique hotel. But 100 years ago there were far fewer passengers and the area can't cope with the current crowds.

Time to adapt this working transport hub to suit today's commuters. Hence the remodelling.

But your notion of "a ton of money" doesn't stack up. Turning the light rail ramp back will cost some asphalt in-fill and removing overhead wires and signals. And a Pitt St turnback is easy to install.
I don't see it actually happening, but I also think it's a strange idea. It will cost a ton of money, compared to what costs to build a hotel normally.

BTW - Central terminal used to be way, way, way busier than they are now. Originally, everything terminated at Central and people took trams for the rest of the way. The Grand Concourse was packed, hence the network of underground goods tunnels to not interrupt the flow of people. Remember the underground CBD stations only opened in the 20s.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 05:35 AM   #2049
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Sydney’s Campbell Cove Revitalisation Moves Forward

17th November 2017 | Category: Australia, Government, Inspirational Urban Design, New Developments, News, NSW, Retail, Town Planning | Staff Writer

A revitalisation of Sydney’s historic Campbell’s Cove precinct at west Circular Quay has taken an important step forward with the NSW Department of Planning and Environment opening up the proposal for public feedback.

The waterfront upgrades aim to protect the heritage seawall while enhancing everyday use of the area.

Proposed changes include a new 10-metre wide promenade, an outdoor leisure area, and east-west connections from Campbell’s Cove to Hickson Road and The Rocks to improve access.

Property NSW submitted a State Significant development application for the upgrade and it was first exhibited for four weeks in February this year.

Key Sites and Industry Assessments executive director Anthea Sargeant said the department was very keen to hear the community’s views on the plans.

Community feedback is now being sought on the response to submissions. Sargeant said while the original design principles have been kept, the revised proposal simplifies the paving to visually de-clutter the space.

“To protect the existing fig trees, paving would be designed to avoid disturbing the roots. And eight existing Livistona Palm trees would be transplanted, with an arborist’s advice, to the northern side of the entry road to Campbell’s Cove plaza.” Sargeant said.

“The previously proposed boardwalk extension adjacent to the Park Hyatt has been removed from the application, and the heritage listed wharf railings and gate would be preserved.”

The design of the Bay X stairs next to Campbell’s Stores have not changed, however the outdoor dining areas on the terraces have been removed.

Submissions can be made until Friday 15 December 2017. To make a submission or view the Environmental Impact Statement for the proposal, visit:

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She should buy the building
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Old Yesterday, 12:55 AM   #2052
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She should buy the building
Might be a good idea Scrap the Town Hall Square and buy the Sirius instead. Then again, NSW government won't EVER sell it to them, they want it gone.
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She should buy the building
The CofS has a tonne of money tucked away, why does she not put her money where her mouth is?
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The CofS has a tonne of money tucked away, why does she not put her money where her mouth is?
Because she would rather be vindictive against the Government for throwing her out of State Parliament than help the homeless.
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Because she would rather be vindictive against the Government for throwing her out of State Parliament than help the homeless.
Precisely!
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Not only is she wasting rate payers money with this mad, pointless campaign against WestConnex but she's now added the long awaited work on the Alexandria to Moore Park connector roadworks.

Apart from the juvenile slogan of WestCONnex she is now claiming the Alex to MoorePk connector works will divide the community of Green Square. I was unaware it was to be built in a vast chasm. The existing doglegging and eternally clogged current roads hardly facilitate community connectivity but they have this amazing invention called traffic lights which allow pedestrians safe - should they choose to use it - crossing. Am I to assume the new connector roads will not have traffic lights at intersections?

I know she does good work at 'village' level, but therein lies the problem; Sydney is not a string of villages in C.18th. Oxfordshire nor is it quaint little chilly old Copenhagen.
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