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Old October 11th, 2017, 08:38 AM   #661
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I ride Route 30 from Westshore to downtown. Why is there no stop on Florida Ave? They chose to send it down Florida but with no stops even though other buses have stops on Florida? Also, I had to find out there was no stop on Florida once I was already on Florida because the Hart website still has the previous downtown map pdf and not the new one for Mission Max. It seems like access to this route has been diminished for everyone working on the east side of downtown. A stop on Florida would make it better and doesn't cost anything.

Another thing that bothers me is that most jobs start at the top of the hour and half past. The new schedule has my bus arriving downtown at about 7:50, which means that if the bus is even a few minutes late (which happens often) I can't make it to the office on time. Previoulsy, it arrived around 7:40 and I was almost never late in almost 3 years. This is just me being picky but I bet the planners never even considered this when making the schedules. I'm currently taking the earlier bus but now I have over 30 minutes to kill before work officially starts.
I want to say the 30 issue is an oversight. I've got an email in with scheduling to get the story behind that one, as they're not on OBA/Google Maps either. I spent a lot of time going through the city after my shifts on Sunday and Monday to map out what bus stops still needed work. This was on the list.

The downtown map issue is known, but HART only has one graphic designer and he's got a *lot* on his plate right now. It's high on the list... trust me.

As for schedule timing, I would recommend emailing your concerns about that to [email protected]. Departures from transit centers are usually designed to facilitate connections. In this case, the 30 is designed to link with the 32 at the airport.

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Speaking of the airport, we've made some changes to airport service, effective Wednesday 10/11. There is now a dedicated shuttle bus running every 20 mins from 5AM to 1AM between the airport terminal and the rental car stop until SkyConnect opens in the spring. This should help keep HART's airport services a bit more punctual.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 03:04 PM   #662
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My fear about the current transit situation is Hillsborough is the grim possibility of enacting a worst-case scenario should 1) The Homestead Exemption ballot initiative pass in November, 2) FDOT and local leaders remain dead set in going along with the toll lanes on the interstates, & 3) the Trump Administration ends all federal support for transit.

#1 is very likely to pass IMO given the many voters who aren't educated properly on the negative impacts on municipalities, plus HART & PSTA, by lowering property taxes.

#2 is becoming increasingly likely due to the current episode of charades happening. It's very clear to me that Rick Scott has zero intent to have FDOT remove the toll lane plan from the interstates and is doing all he can to force residents to give up and accept the toll lane plan as-is, so that he can in-turn get Elaine Chao to give the federal green light as soon as the SEIS and other components are ready to go. If these toll lanes are indeed built as planned, I can see HART being forced to contract out local and Flex services in order to have enough resources on hand to operate the express routes on the interstates. I also would not be surprised if the Tea Party board members use this as a tactic to "rebrand" MetroRapid and put those lines on the interstates. If this happens, then the Nebraska line will eventually be shifted to I-275 and Route 2 will make a comeback.

#3, while still unknown, could still happen. If it does, the scenario will ensure that FDOT calls many of the shots for future funding, and if the pro-Tea Party environment does not change in 2018 and 2020, then I can see HART basically becoming completely privatized.
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A worst-case scenario like this will no doubt in my mind, strip Hillsborough of whatever transit it has left. Only select core routes would be maintained and probably done at reduced levels. Heavier emphasis would be placed on regional services, Flex, and Link, plus vouchers for Uber and Lyft during overnights. TECOline extension will get forced onto the median of I-275 and have ultra low ridership. Everyone else will have no option left to get around.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 11:29 PM   #664
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The downtown map issue is known, but HART only has one graphic designer and he's got a *lot* on his plate right now. It's high on the list... trust me.
If they know the wrong map is on the website then they should remove it even if the new one isn't ready. No map is better than an incorrect map. Also should be an easy, cheap fix.

I understand that Hart lacks funds. But so far my experience with Route 30 is that they have taken a convenient connection to downtown and made it less convenient while using the same amount of resources. For example, I work in the County Center. Lots of us use the 30, and the nearest stop for us after work is all the way next to the river. It seems more logical for the route to pass through the center of downtown instead of the western edge. Marion Street accomplished that with the added bonus of having shelters.

Judging by the reaction by the public, I predict that ridership is going to drop drastically systemwide. Lots of people in my office that have taken the bus for years are now driving due to cut routes, etc. I've been one the the buses biggest cheerleaders, often making friends take it with me to events downtown over their objections, and even I'm considering driving once the summer rains return (long walk and no shelter at the stops). If their objective was to finally come out and admit that they are running a bus system that only serves as a last resort for the poor, consider it mission accomplished.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 12:39 AM   #665
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If they know the wrong map is on the website then they should remove it even if the new one isn't ready. No map is better than an incorrect map. Also should be an easy, cheap fix.

I understand that Hart lacks funds. But so far my experience with Route 30 is that they have taken a convenient connection to downtown and made it less convenient while using the same amount of resources. For example, I work in the County Center. Lots of us use the 30, and the nearest stop for us after work is all the way next to the river. It seems more logical for the route to pass through the center of downtown instead of the western edge. Marion Street accomplished that with the added bonus of having shelters.

Judging by the reaction by the public, I predict that ridership is going to drop drastically systemwide. Lots of people in my office that have taken the bus for years are now driving due to cut routes, etc. I've been one the the buses biggest cheerleaders, often making friends take it with me to events downtown over their objections, and even I'm considering driving once the summer rains return (long walk and no shelter at the stops). If their objective was to finally come out and admit that they are running a bus system that only serves as a last resort for the poor, consider it mission accomplished.
The Route 30 stop issue was a problem with GTFS. Route 30 stops at Florida/Jackson, Florida/Twiggs and Florida/Polk. These changes will appear on Google/OBA with the next GTFS update.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 01:02 AM   #666
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If they know the wrong map is on the website then they should remove it even if the new one isn't ready. No map is better than an incorrect map. Also should be an easy, cheap fix.

I understand that Hart lacks funds. But so far my experience with Route 30 is that they have taken a convenient connection to downtown and made it less convenient while using the same amount of resources. For example, I work in the County Center. Lots of us use the 30, and the nearest stop for us after work is all the way next to the river. It seems more logical for the route to pass through the center of downtown instead of the western edge. Marion Street accomplished that with the added bonus of having shelters.

Judging by the reaction by the public, I predict that ridership is going to drop drastically systemwide. Lots of people in my office that have taken the bus for years are now driving due to cut routes, etc. I've been one the the buses biggest cheerleaders, often making friends take it with me to events downtown over their objections, and even I'm considering driving once the summer rains return (long walk and no shelter at the stops). If their objective was to finally come out and admit that they are running a bus system that only serves as a last resort for the poor, consider it mission accomplished.
Route 1, 19 and 30 were moved to a Tampa/Kennedy pattern for two reasons: 1) downtown residents wanted more downtown local bus circulation away from Marion St and 2) all services are being removed from Marion St anyway when the AV pilot begins. The shelter stop issue will be addressed, but the current Marion St shelters are 30 years old and have aged out.

The Route 30 stop issue was a problem with GTFS. Route 30 does have stops at Florida/Jackson, Florida/Twiggs and Florida/Polk. My understanding is that the stop flags were updated with proper numbers today. These changes will appear on Google/OBA with the next GTFS update. I'll get with marketing and see if we can't get some of the overlooked old stuff pulled from the website. Again, HART doesn't exactly have a lot of staff for this kind of thing, and many of our internal staff members from accounting, finance and whatnot have been doing customer service and transit/transfer center outreach this week.

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Old October 12th, 2017, 04:22 PM   #667
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One Mission MAX change that was activated under the radar is a split in Route 19. The main Route 19 operates every 30 minutes on weekdays and hourly on weekends.

The supplementary route is officially assigned as Route 19A and only serves Marion Transit Center and Tampa General Hospital (and all main Route 19 stops in between). Buses depart every 35 minutes seven days a week, from 6:00am to 8:00pm. This route is currently not trackable.

Approximate departure times from Marion Transit Center:

6:00am (first bus)
6:35
7:10
7:45
8:20
8:55
9:30
10:05
10:40
11:15
11:50
12:25pm
1:00
1:35
2:10
2:45
3:20
3:55
4:30
5:05
5:40
6:15
6:50
7:25
8:00 (last bus)
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I saw on the OneBusAway app that the 30 & 32 are no longer going into the TPA Airport terminal and that there is a shuttle that connects between the terminal and the CONRAC stop, running every 20 minutes. While I'm not liking this setup, I can only guess that the airport is paying for the shuttle. What have you heard about this Mike?
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HART

According to someone on one of the transit-related Facebook groups that I'm a member of, #'s 1720-29 will be on the production line in Livermore in the coming weeks. I predict that delivery will commence by the end of November, if not the first week of December.

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17101-03 have been on the road but not 17104 or 05. My prediction is that the latter two might be fitted with a new livery. I've noticed over the past couple of months that many of the older buses are looking real dingy when it comes to the livery stickers and decals. This along with the fact that the 16100s and operating 17100s still have no additional decals, have all been hinting that a new livery design for PSTA's fleet is on the immediate horizon.
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Update: HART's new buses are in production. A photo of 1721 was posted in one of the Facebook groups that I'm a part of today.
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Update: HART's new buses are in production. A photo of 1721 was posted in one of the Facebook groups that I'm a part of today.
The unit numbers are sequential, 1716 thru 1724. HART has already taken delivery of 1716 and 1717.

https://twitter.com/GoHART/status/926171125486424064
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So they must have made a change in the numbering at some point maybe?
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So they must have made a change in the numbering at some point maybe?
5 years ago. The 1200s and 3000-series MV-1s were the last to be numbered in skip sequence. The 1200s are only split because 1213-1214 were cut from the order when it was decided that the Hidden River branch wouldn't operate every 15 mins.

1201-1206 and 1207-1212 are actually different models of bus. The former have a Voith drivetrain, the latter are Allison-based. A bit of an experiment, to see which would last. Given that all of HART's recent orders have been Allison... well... read between the lines.

1716 is already being wired for electronics. Maintenance is looking for a quick delivery-to-road turnaround so that 2325 and the 2400s can finally rest in peace.
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I never would have noticed that 1201-06 were Voith. It took me a while to realize that PSTA's 2910 & 2911 were Voith.
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HART CEO Katharine Eagan has announced her resignation from the agency, as it was announced that she is taking on a CEO role at the Port Authority of Allegheny County in Pittsburgh, PA.

Source: TBT

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Katharine Eagan, the leader of Hillsborough County’s transit agency, is leaving the job just a month after implementing a widespread overhaul of the county’s bus network.

She will take over as CEO of the Port Authority of Allegheny, Pa., which provides public transportation in the Pittsburgh area. Her last day at the Hillsborough Area Regional Transit Authority will be Jan. 5.

Eagan will be trading a threadbare and underfunded bus system for one of the most robust, well-funded and varied transit systems in the nation.
Full Story: http://www.post-gazette.com/news/tra...s/201711080108

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Mike, have you heard anything about #2918? I haven't seen that bus on the tracker since its accident on the 19 a few months ago.
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Mike, have you heard anything about #2918? I haven't seen that bus on the tracker since its accident on the 19 a few months ago.
That's... not why it went down. Air conditioning system needed work, was waiting on parts. It's back on the road as of 11/10.

Couple tidbits:

- All of the BRT 1700s are on site. Electronics are taking a bit longer than usual, as WiFi and Flamingo are now part of the equation.

- Car 433 is the Winter Village Express. It only operates on Sunday nights, and only as a nonstop service from Stations 2 (Centro) and 11 (Whiting). On the business side of things, Downtown Partnership is chartering the car and selling their own $5 all day passes, so it's technically a separate service.
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That would make sense. It always takes a long time for major parts to come in, ugh!

For the BRT Plus buses, that would make sense as well. Why piecemeal everything when all components can be added at once to the entire fleet? With that said, is it safe to say these buses won't hit the road until 12/4 at the earliest?
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1716 is fully wired sans Flamingo and now has its plates, so it COULD be put on the road if needed. With the current surplus of vehicle, it's not needed. Gotta' run those 2400s into the ground.

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Next markup will bring a LOT of changes to the HART network to resolve issues that have come up after the Mission MAX launch. These are projected to take effect on January 28, 2018:

- Route 5 will be rerouted along the old 46 alignment (4th Ave/Twiggs St) from 22nd St to Downtown.
- Route 6 will increase to every 15 mins, due to overcrowding.
- Route 8 will be rerouted via 7th Ave, Nebraska Ave and Cass St.
- Route 9 will be rerouted via Channelside Dr and the Marion Transitway.
- Route 12 will be rerouted via Palm Ave and Tampa St/Florida Ave.
- Route 19 will return to TGH in both directions, ending shuttle service.
- Route 24LX will pick up two additional trips in each direction, due to overcrowding. These trips are already operating, as the first and second trips have been standing room only since Day 1
- Route 34 will increase to every 15 minutes, due to overcrowding. Saturday service will also improve to every 30 minutes.
- Route 35 will make its debut. This is the old Route 30 segment between Northwest Transfer Center and Tampa International Airport. From there, patrons can choose to continue their trip on routes 30, 32 or 60LX. Route 35 will also have a couple of earlier/later trips when compared to current 60LX service.
- Route 42 will have its routing and schedule adjusted. These changes are still up in the air.
- Route 45 will have its routing adjusted, based on what changes are made to Route 42.
- Route 46 will see schedule and headway improvements.
- Route 60LX will only operate as far west as Tampa International Airport, plus see quite a few schedule changes.

- Schedule adjustments on practically every route in the system to address on-time issues, both early and late.

Also, HART showed off the preliminary design for their new heavy maintenance facility at the most recent board meeting. This is dependent on grant and other funding and would be built in the west lot of the 21st Ave facility, to the north of the current preventative maintenance facility.

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