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Old October 28th, 2017, 10:05 PM   #5561
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They'll all end up like Air Indus probably or become charter airlines. Until domestic air policy changes and fares come down, we're not going to see many other airlines survive.

PIA has an unfair monopoly on the domestic market...how can any other domestic airline survive?
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Old October 29th, 2017, 06:50 PM   #5562
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it’s because of unfair tax on aviation industry
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Old October 29th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #5563
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its not unfair if it applies to all airlines. only PIA get state subsidy that is unfair to other airlines.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 09:34 PM   #5564
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Askari Air apparently linked to Askari Aviation - askariaviation.com

Liberty Air reportedly linked to Dunya Media Group.

Afeef Zara Airways seems to be linked to Afeef Group - afeefgroup.com

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Old October 30th, 2017, 01:40 AM   #5565
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Old October 30th, 2017, 07:57 AM   #5566
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/1542378...surge-traffic/
Faisalabad Airport witnesses surge in traffic as more international airlines start flights.
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Old October 30th, 2017, 11:07 AM   #5567
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Which is a fantastic news for not only the people of the region but for the country as well......but watch how crazy bureaucrats and politicians will try to destroy it by imposing more taxes and creating more hurdles...on the name of saving PIA vey soon
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Old October 30th, 2017, 11:15 AM   #5568
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5 new airlines will soon begin operations NWD. Pakistani economy is really kicking...

https://propakistani.pk/2017/10/28/f...ense-pakistan/

https://propakistani.pk/2017/09/12/a...-ready-launch/
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Old November 1st, 2017, 08:32 PM   #5569
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PIA plan to resume Mumbai https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/...w/60909852.cms
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 07:50 AM   #5570
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PIA is so fickle;they can't make up their mind..Wasn't it barely a few months ago they stopped Mumbai. ..Now they want to.resume..
Privatise the damn airline!This adhocism; lack of vision and clarity of policy has just about killed the airline. .
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 07:19 PM   #5571
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Shaheen Air Starts Flights to Three New International Destinations

https://propakistani.pk/2017/11/01/s...-destinations/

The new routes will begin starting mid-November.

Karachi to Medina flights will start November 16, they will have flight numbers NL707-708.

Karachi to Sharjah will be operational from November 17, the flight numbers are NL684-685.

Faisalabad to Jeddah will commence November 18, the flight numbers will be NL773-774.
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 10:16 PM   #5572
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Those are not new destinations for Shaheen.
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Old November 3rd, 2017, 05:37 PM   #5573
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So PIA dropped New York? The largest concentration of Overseas Pakistanis in the Americas live in New York-New Jersey and PIA closes the route down? When your planes are full and overbooked and you still make a loss, then fix your damn business model.

Closing down routes is not going to solve anything. This airline is deliberatly being run into the ground.

Lanat on the CEO and entire administration of PIA.
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Old November 3rd, 2017, 06:45 PM   #5574
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I have been watching this whole PIA New York thing very carefully...the suspension of New York flights is a little deeper...seems like the thugs at PIA are trying to force a bailout again...and it worked.

Timeline of events (care of Abbas Ali admin of historyofpia.com)

6 October 2017

PIA New York flight bookings are closed from the month of December. PIA is going to resolve this issue, according to airline's spokesperson. Adviser to the Prime Minister on Aviation, Chairman PIA and other high-level officials of the airline are in Islamabad to find solution to the problem. Hopefully the issue will be resolved by evening.

Also on 6 October, PIA for the first time stated publicly what we have known since 2005. According to The Nation (http://nation.com.pk/national/06-Oct...eration-by-dec), New York sector was making loss worth Rs 450 million annually and it was not even meeting its Direct Operating Cost (DOC).

Between 6 October and 10 October, PIA had essentially conveyed to the government that the solution for PIA's problems was another bailout package. The government basically said LPC and to come up with a logical and long term solution and would have a meeting with the PM at the end of the month. PIA basically then threatened to stop routes...this included Milan, Paris and New York flights if a bailout wasn't agreed too.

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October 10 2017

PIA to Suspend Loss-making New York Service - Mehtab Abbasi: Adviser to the Prime Minister on Aviation Sardar Mehtab Ahmed Khan Abbasi in a press conference arranged at Islamabad Airport today said that PIA is going to suspend New York service. The airline on its New York route was suffering loss of around two billion rupees annually since past ten years, he said. PIA may consider resuming New York flights with upgraded aircraft in future. Regarding New York route closure, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Aviation Sardar Mehtab Ahmed Khan Abbasi said that in principle a decision has been made to temporarily suspend the US operation. However, not implemented as yet.

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October 12 2017
According to Pakistan Today, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) meeting was told that New York route was inflicting loss of Rs1.50 billion per annum to the national flag carrier as the US has barred PIA from direct landing.
Public Accounts Committee (PAC) meeting was told that New York route was inflicting loss of Rs1.50 billion per annum to the national flag carrier as the US has barred PIA from direct landing.

(That's nothing short of a lie...probably the explanation provided by PIA. New York flights were never direct...when they were flying 707s to JFK in the 60s and 70s, they used to stop in Paris, Frankfurt and Cairo onwards to Karachi...then in 88 they added Toronto...4 stops and they were making a profit, but 1 stop in Manchester and they make a loss with a better fuel efficient aircraft? They are nothing but liars).

From 12 October to 27 October, PIA was still requesting for the bailout and were expecting the government to budge, but they didn't. Then PIA stopped talking and began walking and announced 28 October as the final New York flight...

October 27 2012


October 30 2012
According to DAWN, PIA Board of Directors (BoD) is unhappy because it was not informed by airline's management about decision to end New York service from October 28.








PALPA issued a statement opposing the closure on the same day

PALPA opposes routes closure
https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk/...outes-closure/

“The current management does not have commercial aviation experience and should not have even thought of closing down this route because once it’s gone it would not be reclaimed and the traffic once diverted towards other carriers will not be attracted back as is the case of Mid-East diaspora which has been shifted on Gulf carriers from many major and smaller cities of Pakistan,”
said Palpa President Capt. Khalid Hamza.

“PIA is being systematically ruined due to vested interest, we had these prestigious landing rights since 1952 and PIA was the first Asian airline to operate transatlantic flights on a jet aeroplane,” he added.

“This is a strategic route, though less-profitable, no airline in such cut-throat competition makes a huge profit on these routes, rather the presence of your country’s flag there is considered more important,” Hamza added.

“Indecision and poor decisions at the top level had several far-reaching and unpleasant outcomes and one wrong decision makes the airline suffer for years as many of us have witnessed in the recent years,” said Capt. Hamza.

“Decisions like recent premier services and leasing an aircraft $ 2700 per hour when private airlines are leasing the same aircraft $ 1800 per hour can only muster kickbacks rather than profitability, are a glaring example of poor decisions,” he added.

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November 1 2017 - Rs13.6b PIA bailout package approved
The government, on Wednesday, approved a Rs13.6 billion bailout package for the ailing Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) – the fourth in a year – and enhanced its sovereign guarantees limit to Rs175 billion to keep the national flag carrier cruising.

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November 3 2017
PIA planning to close three European destinations
PIA is planning to close three European destinations after New York, already losing up to $8 billion every year as foreign airlines are taking more than 50 percent passenger load to international destinations .
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Old November 3rd, 2017, 06:58 PM   #5575
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To add on further, the excuse PIA is making for the losses is "lack of direct flights". This is nothing but a lie. When did PIA ever fly direct to New York? Never...since it began operations in 1960, PIA has always flown via multiple European stops.

From the 60s up until the late 90s, PIA went from 1 weekly flight to daily flights between Karachi and New York. In that time, PIA always had several stops along the way (Karachi via Cairo, Frankfurt, Paris to New York) using the gas guzzling Boeing 707s.

Then in the 80s, they acquired 747s and 3 of the daily New York flights were extended to Toronto (from 1988) and transit stops were reduced to a single European stop Karachi via Amsterdam or Frankfurt to New York. Later in the 90s, Zurich, Shannon and then Manchester were inducted.



So PIA wants us to believe that they were making profits when PIA were using Boeing 707s and 747s with multiple stops yet are making a loss using 777s with a single stop?


How stupid do they think we are? Pakistanis flying on Etihad or Emirates also have a stopover...in Abu Dhabi or Dubai. So what's the point? Many choose PIA despite it being more expensive than Emirates and Etihad because it still offers a better option that transiting through the Gulf. The stopover in Manchester requires no change of aircraft...so PIA still had the advantage.

Furthermore, all PIA flights from North America (even when they started Chicago and Houston) were overbooked and always full. I have never been on a PIA flight internationally that wasn't full.

This airline is just badly mismanaged and they are making stupid excuses. Why don't they start firing the extra staff? Explain to me why PIA has an office in Abbottabad...a city that doesn't even have a bloody airport!
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Old November 4th, 2017, 11:41 AM   #5576
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Very soon Air Blue will become our National airline with direct flights to New York. ..and every other place...Haha haha. ..I give you one guess why???
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Old November 6th, 2017, 01:56 PM   #5577
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* Air Sial flight operations expected to start by June 2018 initially with three Airbus A320 family aircraft.

* Initially, each investor was asked to pitch in with Rs5 lakh to complete the first step – registering Air Sial with the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP). A complication arose, as in one company the SECP only allows a maximum of 25 directors. Until then, 110 were already on board. So, these 110 were dubbed as ‘promoter directors’, which were to decide among themselves which 25 would be registered with the SECP.

* A community-based project, it has 200 directors, each investing Rs10 million to make it a neat Rs2 billion.

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Old November 6th, 2017, 02:03 PM   #5578
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* Air Sial flight operations expected to start by June 2018 initially with three Airbus A320 family aircraft.

* Initially, each investor was asked to pitch in with Rs5 lakh to complete the first step – registering Air Sial with the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP). A complication arose, as in one company the SECP only allows a maximum of 25 directors. Until then, 110 were already on board. So, these 110 were dubbed as ‘promoter directors’, which were to decide among themselves which 25 would be registered with the SECP.

* A community-based project, it has 200 directors, each investing Rs10 million to make it a neat Rs2 billion.

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Is it just me or the investment style seems a bit too much like a pyrimad scheme??I am not an expert.. I dunno??
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Old November 6th, 2017, 04:11 PM   #5579
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looks like it.
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Old November 6th, 2017, 09:57 PM   #5580
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its same structure Sialkot Chamber follow for all projects.. Airport project was also financed using this structure. They include every member so no one is left out.
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