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Old August 25th, 2008, 01:04 AM   #21
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I liked how in Marseille they had 4-car trains. Lyon only has 2 or 3-cars.
A weird thing when we know that Lyon metro is busier.
The worse is to know that the busiest metro line outside Paris (Lyon metro line D) has only two cars by train.

I think it is also due at the since, when it was planned in the 1970's Marseille city proper had 1 million inhabitants (Now the city has 800,000 inhabitants)

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Is Marseille a lot poorer than France? When I visited, every time I'd exit the subway station, there'd be a group of people begging for my subway ticket (nothing has happened like that to me in Paris or Lyon...)
As I know Lille is as poor but don't have the same thing even when you go in Paris poorest district you don't see that.
I think it is due at southern mentality.

Anyway, Marseille is a wonderfull city

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Old August 25th, 2008, 01:44 AM   #22
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[...]as high as 40% in the north.

[...] some places in the north look like the third world.[...]
By "north" I believe Substructure speaks about the northern districts of the city of Marseille, which count many rough estates. Don't know if it's the poorest part of the city though, some inner city areas look dirt poor as well.

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Old August 25th, 2008, 02:47 AM   #23
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Line 1 of Marseille metro is currently getting lenghtened of 4 km, with 4 new stations due to open in 2009.

The city had the particularity to operate one of the last streetcar of France: line 68 ran from 1893 until 2004 (see picture below for its last ride in January 04).



2 new tram lines operate since 2007: line 1 runs moslty on line 68 former route which for this purpose have been upgraded to more modern light rail standards.

The network lengths 11 km as of August 2008, but 2 new stations will open this Fall.



LRVs are Bombardier's Flexity Outlook.

(both pictures by Fr. Latreille)
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Old August 25th, 2008, 04:40 AM   #24
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I recently returned from a two and a half week trip in France. A couple places I visited were Nantes and Rouen, which both had light rail. Any pics of these systems?
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Old August 27th, 2008, 12:43 AM   #25
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It really ticks me off, that most other cities can build lovely systems, but Toronto has to go with ugly poles, and excessive wire installation.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 01:03 AM   #26
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Isn't there a Toronto thread for that? Did I curse this thread or something?
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Old August 27th, 2008, 01:24 AM   #27
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I don't have pics of Nantes and Rouen tram.
Instead of it I have picture of Grenoble tram, the older stock is the same as Rouen tram stock.

Grenoble is the second oldest system of the french LRT revival (After Nantes) and it is the fifth oldest tram system in France. (After St Etienne, Marseille, Lille and Nantes)





















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Old August 27th, 2008, 04:19 AM   #28
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Excellent summary of transit systems in France. I love the French trams. Though not as extensive as their German counterparts, the aesthetics make up for that fact!
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I don't have pics of Nantes and Rouen tram.
Instead of it I have picture of Grenoble tram, the older stock is the same as Rouen tram stock.

Grenoble is the second oldest system of the french LRT rival (After Nantes) and it is the fifth oldest tram system in France. (After St Etienne, Marseille, Lille and Nantes)
These photos are very recent, are they yours ?

A map of the tram's network, eight cities are served:


More photos of Grenoble here:
http://snotag.free.fr/phototheque/#album=26

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Old August 28th, 2008, 03:11 AM   #30
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Excellent summary of transit systems in France. I love the French trams. Though not as extensive as their German counterparts, the aesthetics make up for that fact!
Unlike Germany France had scraped all tram networks between the late 30' and the late 50' excepted one inter-urban line in Lille, one busy line in Saint Etienne (both of them are narrow gauge) and one short line in Marseilles because it had a tunnel section that was too narrow to operate with buses. And in some cases the tram stocks were almost new when they were scraped (in Paris some of them were only 5 years old in 1937!) or very advanced like the Algiers tram (french city untill 1962).
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Old August 28th, 2008, 01:29 PM   #31
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France did the same as Britain then.

Seems like most countries tore up their tram networks only to absolutely regret it later.
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Old August 28th, 2008, 04:30 PM   #32
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Mistake of the century, and unfortunately made by countless cities.

Such a shame that everyone looked to the decentralised, Los Angeles style of city planning as the way of the future.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 02:17 PM   #33
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Two short own videos from the VAL-system metro lines of Toulouse:

Toulouse, Ligne A

Toulouse, Ligne B
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 04:21 PM   #34
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I like very much Marseille Metro! Is it possible to see any video of trains and stations?
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:35 PM   #35
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Other pictures of Marseille metro.

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Old December 6th, 2008, 02:29 AM   #36
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The driverless line D of Lyon metro.



With 273,000 passengers per day it is the busiest metro line outside Paris.
This line has as the other line of Lyon metro the widest metro train of France and it has a high frequencies but the line D has problem of overcrowding due at its only two cars trains.


















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Is there any way to use longer trains or will the platforms not allow it?
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Old December 6th, 2008, 06:21 AM   #38
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Platform can allow 4 cars trains but there isn't enouth cars to do this.
Anyway they have a solution for increasing capacity inside the train.



This solution is used in 80% of world subway.
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Old December 6th, 2008, 10:29 AM   #39
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Actually, they are studying a way of getting partial service with 4 cars.
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Old December 6th, 2008, 02:57 PM   #40
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I've already had an occasion to try the line D test train with new furniture...
thib8500, and how they are going to manage... I don't think the platforms at all the stations are long enough to handle 4 cars...
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