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Old September 15th, 2017, 11:08 AM   #7941
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regarding M0, did they upgrade M0 to 2x3 b/w M1 and M7 and are the old lanes overhauled with new asphalt ? Remember that only one of the directions had brand new asphalt.
Yes, its 2x3 all the way between M1 and M5.

Pavement is a combination of asphalt and concrete, and except for a small section between M51 and M6 (in direction M1) the road is overhauled everywhere.
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Old September 16th, 2017, 02:37 PM   #7942
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Almost everyone turns to the M70.
also trucks going to Croatia can't use the M7/A4 border crossing, they turn to M70 and then to road 7

https://www.google.sk/maps/@46.41479...7i13312!8i6656
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Old September 17th, 2017, 11:25 AM   #7943
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also trucks going to Croatia can't use the M7/A4 border crossing, they turn to M70 and then to road 7

https://www.google.sk/maps/@46.41479...7i13312!8i6656
yep. and also quite some traffic uses old border crossing (i used it cca a month ago, it was interesting to see also CZ, SK and PL plates among locals)
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Old September 17th, 2017, 11:37 AM   #7944
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also trucks going to Croatia can't use the M7/A4 border crossing, they turn to M70 and then to road 7

https://www.google.sk/maps/@46.41479...7i13312!8i6656
Street View images are from 2011, when it was still the outer EU border and freight crossing it had to go through custom control.
In 2013, when Croatia joined EU, it became an inner EU border, although it remained the outer Schengen border. So, since then, at this border there are not anymore custom checks, but only immigration checks.
It would very weird if trucks are still banned from it, as there would not be any legislative reason to support it, and sending heavy traffic through a local road instead of a motorway is generally a bad idea.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #7945
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Street View images are from 2011, when it was still the outer EU border and freight crossing it had to go through custom control.
In 2013, when Croatia joined EU, it became an inner EU border, although it remained the outer Schengen border. So, since then, at this border there are not anymore custom checks, but only immigration checks.
It would very weird if trucks are still banned from it, as there would not be any legislative reason to support it, and sending heavy traffic through a local road instead of a motorway is generally a bad idea.
well, they are still banned. although there are no customs controls anymore, there are various traffic controls for trucks still often causing certain waiting times.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 11:59 AM   #7946
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That's sound utterly stupid. If you want to deal with a single control point for trucks, have it on the motorway, and ban trucks from the old road instead.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 12:11 PM   #7947
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new border crossing has only 3 booths per direction for police check only. nothing else. old border crossing has large capacity and all infrastructure for any kind of checks. that's ther reason why trucks are rerouted to the old one. they didn't want to build the mast on motorway because it was expected that Schecngen would live. that idea is each day more and more far away.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 07:16 PM   #7948
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And how much traffic is there through the old border crossing?
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Old September 17th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #7949
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"local road" in this case is national road 7. The section trucks to Croatia must use hase a length of approx. 4-500m, and there is not any other traffic there, only international traffic.
National road 7 has a measuring point at the km 233.475 which is exactly the border. In 2016 there was an AADT of 1.239 there, 476 cars and 276 trucks of different categories, 256 of them heavy trucks.
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Old September 18th, 2017, 12:14 AM   #7950
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Wait, 476+2776=3252, not 1239.
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Wait, 476+2776=3252, not 1239.
Sorry, a typo, the actual number is 276, not 2776.
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Old September 18th, 2017, 09:57 AM   #7952
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Still doesn't add up..........
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Old September 18th, 2017, 11:24 AM   #7953
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Hungarian traffic density data is based on vehicle units. It means, a car or a van is counted as 1, buses and tucks as 2.5 because they need so much place as 2.5 cars. Motorbikes count as 0.8, bicycles as 0.3.

So let's check for example national road seven, measuriung point ID 7, which is at km 233.475 (at the border station)!
Total count of vehicles (annual daily average in 2016): 834
Total count of vehicle unit: 1239
Total count of motorized vehicles: 815
Total motorized vehicle units:1233
Car: 476
Van: 57
Bus: 0
Medium truck: 10
Heavy truck: 7
Truck with a trailer: 20
Semi-trailer truck: 239
Special heavy vehicle: 0
Motorbike: 3
Bicycle: 19
Other slow vehicle: 3
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Old September 18th, 2017, 11:56 AM   #7954
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Makes sense!

Although 240 tractors across the border each day surprises me!
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Old September 18th, 2017, 12:34 PM   #7955
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That's sound utterly stupid. If you want to deal with a single control point for trucks, have it on the motorway, and ban trucks from the old road instead.
- as has been mentioned - old border crossing has large capacity and all infrastructure for any kind of checks
- so there is a built-up background for drivers - on both sides of the border
- and this "old road" - cca 2,5km - is as a feeder to motorway

it does not make sense to build this all over again .. just to move about 500m next to motorway ..
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Old September 18th, 2017, 12:53 PM   #7956
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That's sound utterly stupid. If you want to deal with a single control point for trucks, have it on the motorway, and ban trucks from the old road instead.
It's not very stupid. The old crossing has everything in place needed for comprehensive checks of trucks, whereas the new crossing was built with the expectation that Croatia would join the EU and Schengen very quickly. The diversionary route is almost empty, so it also allows them to perform comprehensive checks on trucks if needed.

Hungary in particular is very keen on checking trucks when they enter - they still conduct frequent weight controls on borders.
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Old September 18th, 2017, 10:29 PM   #7957
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I guess if EU-Partners think about widening of Schengen, it would be more likely for Croatia than for BG and RO.

The problem is, if croatia really wants it. There will be a long border to BiH and Serbia, not to mention the Neum-thing.
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Old September 19th, 2017, 09:28 AM   #7958
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I guess if EU-Partners think about widening of Schengen, it would be more likely for Croatia than for BG and RO.

The problem is, if croatia really wants it. There will be a long border to BiH and Serbia, not to mention the Neum-thing.
Croatia joined this year the Schengen information system, so it is a step closer to join the area, of course it depends how will develop the entire Schengen border area.
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Old October 9th, 2017, 10:42 PM   #7959
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M2 expessway 2x2 lanes - U/C

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Old October 11th, 2017, 05:13 AM   #7960
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Road 8, Várpalota bypass. This new section will be ready by March 2018.

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Utolsó szakaszába ért a Várpalota elkerülő út építése

Várhatóan 2018. márciusától használhatják az autósok a 8. sz. főút Veszprém-Várpalota közötti szakaszát.
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