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Old September 20th, 2017, 01:34 PM   #14881
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Mars is plan B? What if I don't wanna eat Matt Damon's shit potatoes?
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Old September 20th, 2017, 04:32 PM   #14882
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The new MIRT studies are;

* CRA = Corridor Rotterdam - Antwerpen (A4 extension)
* A4 The Hague (A4 expansion around The Hague, almost half a billion euros is reserved for it)

These projects have long been contemplated so aren't really surprising. The CRA / A4 extension project was part of an earlier MIRT study in 2011, which at the time did not lead to any further steps due to the economic crisis.

The A4 The Hague project is basically the next step of the earlier 'Haaglanden' regional mobility study. Which is why this project already has some design and planning work done, with € 453 million reserved for it in the mid-to-late 2020s.
Good to see that the A4 is getting more attention, even though nothing solid regarding the plans can be expected anytime soon. The A4 has several bottlenecks and still a crucial missing link on the South-Western part of Rotterdam which should be addressed including the crossing over the Haringvliet waters to make for a smooth connection between Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Antwerp.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 06:12 PM   #14883
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Ruimte literally just means "space". It's used in the same contexts as in English. For example, it could also mean "outer space".
Maybe the Dutch are launching a space program to build a colony on Mars, for when the ice caps will melt. It could be the Delta Plan II program.
That's why I asked. That use of "spatial" sort of sounded extraterrestrial to me, although I couldn't think of a good alternative. But I'm not familiar with planning jargon.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 06:18 PM   #14884
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Usually the term would be 'urban planning'. But the Dutch took that to the next level and meticulously planned the entire country with all aspects. Nature is artifically built over here.

They literally say 'we gaan een natuurgebied aanleggen' (we're going to construct a nature reserve), because everything is cultivated. There are virtually no 'wild' areas.

Hence, the term 'spatial planning' as an umbrella for all projects in and outside of urban areas.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 06:21 PM   #14885
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In French, there's "aménagement du territoire" - literally, "arrangement of the territory." But as far as I can tell it's sort of an umbrella term for things like infrastructure, zoning, agricultural policy.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 02:39 AM   #14886
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Usually the term would be 'urban planning'. But the Dutch took that to the next level and meticulously planned the entire country with all aspects. Nature is artifically built over here.

They literally say 'we gaan een natuurgebied aanleggen' (we're going to construct a nature reserve), because everything is cultivated. There are virtually no 'wild' areas.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 10:47 AM   #14887
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With all the wind turbines and drilling platforms, the Dutch North Sea is basically an industrial area now. Not a square meter left unplanned.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 01:49 PM   #14888
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This remind me of my far-fetched plan to build a Wadden highway dramatically shortening the coastline length in the North, like they did in Zeeland*, and making the Waddenzee a controlled water body like the Oosterscheldt.

*I know N67 is a consequence of the dams and sea levees and not the other way around.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 07:13 PM   #14889
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This remind me of my far-fetched plan to build a Wadden highway
You're not the first.



Courtesy of the Texelse Courant.

Though these ideas have become a lot less current since we've started taking ecological concerns into account. The Grevelingen is not doing so well.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 10:15 PM   #14890
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Speaking of this issue, Rijkwaterstraat is going to build a new nature reserve at the Markenmeerdijk (between Enkhuizen and Lelystad)

IJsselmeer: versterking Houtribdijk (video available on the page).
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 04:16 PM   #14891
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N307 Dronten

Construction is well underway for the new N307 at Dronten. It is a two-lane, 100 km/h road. It will bypass some roundabouts and intersecting roads. The plan is to open the new road by late 2017.

They elongated two roundabouts at either end of the project to a six-branch oval roundabout.


It's kind of interesting how not advanced it looks, considering it will open to traffic within 3 months. Construction started in January, so it is now ¾ completed, even if it doesn't look like that. There are three bridges (two over intersecting roads and one over a canal).


N307-6 Lage Vaart-3 by European Roads, on Flickr


N307-10 Rendierweg-3 by European Roads, on Flickr


N307-12 Rendierweg-5 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old September 24th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #14892
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bridge work

2 months (including 3 week summer vacation) of bridge work at Dronten. So this is basically a 5-week progress:

July 22:

N307 Dronten 22-07-2017-4 by European Roads, on Flickr

September 23

N307-6 Lage Vaart-3 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old September 25th, 2017, 08:36 PM   #14893
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A76 Nuth

The new Nuth interchange where N300 meets A76 will become a 'turboplein'. (plein would be translated as 'square' but it's not a square roundabout...) It's essentially a turbo roundabout with traffic lights and multiple lanes for each direction.

There are some 'turboplein' roundabouts in the Rotterdam/The Hague area. This is the first to be part of a motorway interchange.



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Old September 26th, 2017, 12:06 AM   #14894
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That's one complex son of a gun! Very UK like, but with way more capacity!
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Old September 26th, 2017, 06:26 AM   #14895
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The new Nuth interchange where N300 meets A76 will become a 'turboplein'. (plein would be translated as 'square' but it's not a square roundabout...) It's essentially a turbo roundabout with traffic lights and multiple lanes for each direction.

There are some 'turboplein' roundabouts in the Rotterdam/The Hague area. This is the first to be part of a motorway interchange.



A "square" doesn't need to be square (look at Times Square in New York), but it's usually urban. How about "turbo plaza"?
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'turborotonde' sounds cool to me.
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So, what's the difference between "turbo roundabout" and "turboplein"? The latter is just larger, with more lanes and traffic lights?
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Yes, the principle of a 'turborotonde' and a 'turboplein' are the same: separated lanes where you have to choose the correct lane before entering the roundabout. However a 'turboplein' is larger, traffic has to yield to more than two lanes so it is necessary to control the flow of traffic by traffic lights. It also has a significantly larger footprint than a regular turbo roundabout. It can handle very high volumes of traffic, theoretically 11,000 vehicles/hour.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 07:16 PM   #14899
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'turborotonde' sounds cool to me.
It is cool, but I was responding to Chris's looking for an English translation. A "turborotunda" might be, I don't know, like the round central hall of the U.S. Capitol if you somehow made it rotate fast.... Maybe if they put a fast-moving conveyor belt around the perimeter so doddering senators could get through it faster.

(I'm being silly. Don't mind me.)
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A 'plein' is one of those terms applied to things much different than it was originally intended to be. A plein could be translated as a 'town square', or a large paved area, such as a schoolyard. However the term has also applied to names of major motorway interchanges like 'Kleinpolderplein' (A13/A20), 'Terbergseplein' (A16/A20) and 'Rottepolderplein' (A9/A200). Some of these have no roundabout features at all.
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