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Old February 7th, 2007, 09:02 AM   #81
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I guess he meant that there is not a continuous motorway that would run from Malbourne to Sydney.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 11:25 AM   #82
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Isnt 800-1000km a lot of distance to turn into motorway? I am genuinely asking the question - what would be required for this.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 11:23 AM   #83
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There aren't so many on motorways, but we have a lot of sneaky speed camera's behind trees, signs, garbagecans etc on the National roads, roads with usually a speed limit, that doesn't agree with how the road looks like. (flat, wide, straight roads in the countryside with a speed limit of 60km/h for instance )

But Austrailian motorways looks okay. Are there many traffic jams?

I see the motorway systems of Melbourne and Sydney aren't connected to eachother, will that be so in the future?
And are there motorways near Brisbane?
95% of the freeway between melbourne and sydney is complete. and by 2020, the pacific highway between sydney and brisbane should also be freeway the whole way.

a map of freeways:

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Old February 8th, 2007, 12:43 PM   #84
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The overhead speed cameras on freeways (hidden behind overhead signs) are
unreliable and errornous, as a 40-year old Datsun capable of just 130km/h when NEW was caught doing 156km/h, a truck was caught supposidly doing 500km/h on an UPHILL slope and get this, a BRICK WALL was allegedly doing 7km/h according to our speed cameras!
The first story was widely reported, but the latter two sound like urban legends. Unless a bunch of bricklayers got up to some mischief in the middle of the night, I don't think many speed cameras would have a brick wall in their line of sight.

New speed cameras don't even take your speed at one point - they find out what time you passed a specific point on the road and then find out what time you passed another point a few km away, so it works out your average speed and prevents people from slowing down to pass a speed camera.

Anyway the solution is simple, don't speed. Automated cameras exist only in urban areas where 100km/h is a fairly reasonable limit anyway, unlike the rural freeways where it's quite easy to subconsciously hit 120 and then 130 and so on.

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(flat, wide, straight roads in the countryside with a speed limit of 60km/h for instance )
In all states here, the default speed limit in non-built up areas is 100km/h, and the only exception is where a speed limit is signed, usually around towns. I reckon Australian road authorities are very generous with the 100km/h limit - up until recently there was a two-lane, undivided road in suburban Melbourne (it was in a green wedge area) that had a speed limit of 100km/h. It's just that with the exception of the Northern Territory, no roads have a speed limit above 110km/h.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 01:07 PM   #85
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a map of freeways:

those aren't all freeways man.
The majority of them are just highways or roads.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 01:57 PM   #86
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yeah i know....i should've said the grey parts are freeways...but i thought everyone would have realized that.

lol damn, if all the purple were freeways...that would be like 150k km.

so yeah, juding by this map, we got about 1700km of freeway.
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Old February 8th, 2007, 04:28 PM   #87
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so yeah, juding by this map, we got about 1700km of freeway.
sometimes it's states AUS has 16000km expressway, for example on wikipedia.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 12:43 AM   #88
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The speed limit is also 100-110km/h on single lane back country roads, be it dirt or tarmac.
Indeed.

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Old February 10th, 2007, 01:21 AM   #89
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goddamn! the one i was talking about was tarmac and slighty wider with no curves
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Old February 14th, 2007, 02:37 PM   #90
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some recent pics of Eastlink being constructed in Melbourne. It is 40km long and costs 2.5billion dollars:















































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Old February 21st, 2007, 10:52 AM   #91
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Yeah, but how many people live in Australia? Australia may be the size of America, but it does not have America's population, and therefore will not have big American sized roads.
That may be true, but there are some areas where even a 4 lane Motorway/Freeway could be built, but he is reffering to Motorway building in our cities. They often build 4 lane Freeways in the middle of our Major metropolitian cities, but they often exceed their capacity after a few months, like the M5 East Tunnel.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 11:03 AM   #92
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but they often exceed their capacity after a few months, like the M5 East Tunnel.
That is STUPID planning. After a few years okay (bad planning), but after a few months?

Specially in tunnels, which are hard to widen, you'd better make enough lanes for the next 20 years or so.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 11:11 AM   #93
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Since there are hardly any photos to worry about, Here's a couple of photos from random searches that I have found on Rural and Urban Freeways in Queensland.

Urban (Brisbane):
Pacific Motorway:






GATEWAY MOTORWAY (Brisbane):






BRUCE HIGHWAY (Brisbane - Sunshine Coast)










WARREGO HIGHWAY (Brisbane - Toowoomba):





This one is more of an Expressway.

Enjoy.
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Old February 25th, 2007, 03:23 AM   #94
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$2.5 billion on Melbourne's Eastlink. $1 billion spent on fancy sound barriers.

no really, i love the way melbourne puts effort in making a boring monotonous freeway into an interesting drive. it also deters vandalism. i wish our govt would spent the dough on decent sound barriers. they have on the ICB (although that was a council project) and im aware that the M1 upgrade through springwood will have them as well but as for the rest, shithouse timber fences with occasional artwork painted on them
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Old February 25th, 2007, 08:51 AM   #95
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melbourn'e very ambitious freeway plan in 1969:



and the actual freeway network to date at 2008:



the scale of the map from one side to to the other is about 35-40km, so you can imagine how many freeways that is...
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Old February 25th, 2007, 08:59 AM   #96
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Oh no... That will be another same mistakes as USA did with its freeways... It caused a lot of urban sprawl and ghettos at existing neighborhoods. I hope Australia will stop building new freeways and build public transit system instead to avoid same mistakes as USA did.
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and the actual freeway network to date at 2008:

So, all transit traffic has to cross right through downtown? Why isn't there a beltway, or a bypass?
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Old February 25th, 2007, 02:31 PM   #98
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I hope Australia will stop building new freeways and build public transit system instead to avoid same mistakes as USA did.
Wrong. Public Transit and roadtraffic are mostly different traffic flows, so they don't compete with eachother, but they complete eachother. You need both in order to have a good traffic system.
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Old February 25th, 2007, 04:33 PM   #99
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So, all transit traffic has to cross right through downtown? Why isn't there a beltway, or a bypass?
Because most traffic is headed to the centre of the city. And since all railway lines terminate at the city, the roads and rail are often in direct competition.

Cross-town traffic only accounts for a small proportion of traffic and isn't enough to make the construction of a freeway viable. Remember, Melbourne has a very good arterial road network, which is often forgotten about. Traffic lights aren't too bad, when the traffic is flowing smoothly at 80km/h.
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Old February 26th, 2007, 12:29 PM   #100
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melbourn'e very ambitious freeway plan in 1969:


is this a hoax?
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