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Old February 26th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #81
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No shit, Belgium put asphalt directly on sand? When was it, 20 years ago?
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Old February 26th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #82
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They did that in the 70's because Belgian had ever-lasting financial problems.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #83
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That's quite stupid - when you do that you can be sure that potholes will appear and therefore you'll get more financial problems
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Old February 27th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #84
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What about Belarus?
Logistic companies tend to avoid Belarus because of high transit tax fees and bad habit of Belorussian police to confiscate transit goods "for state needs".
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Old February 28th, 2009, 11:47 AM   #85
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View from pedestrian bridge on A8 direction to Jelgava:


Direction to Riga:
Note: the old Riga-Jelgava road is visible on the left, what's left of it starts here in Jaunolaine and ends before Riga.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 02:23 PM   #86
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Looks like new.

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Note: the old Riga-Jelgava road is visible on the left
The one without markings?
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Old February 28th, 2009, 04:32 PM   #87
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Cool and quite rare highway pics!

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The one without markings?
yep, that ugly one..
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Old February 28th, 2009, 05:25 PM   #88
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It's possible that this old road will be used as a parallel road to divide the planned A8 motorway from local traffic. Of course a new stretch of road till Jelgava will be built along the motorway.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 11:56 PM   #89
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About quality of roads, in Belgium, I don't know where they put asphalt on sand but it is what they do in Latvia Sand, layer of stones and asphalt... (Cheap) For E411, the "recent" international axis going from Brussels to Luxembourg, Belgian experimented a new thinner technique of concrete. Unfortunately, 10-15 cm of beton did not hold the way and they removed everything to relay 30 cm of beton (with steel inside), covered with 8 cm of raindraining asphalt. Now it is a top quality road! To consider for Latvia!
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Old March 1st, 2009, 06:17 PM   #90
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Falše!

That's only a temporary solution that will serve 5 years, while there won't be found money for full renovation!
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Old March 1st, 2009, 06:42 PM   #91
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Are you serious? All via Baltica is made this way... Which roadways will be rebuild strong then? Cannot plan money correctly? It takes 2-5 years to make a good magistrale (see in Poland). So, if they will rebuild already in 5 years roads like via Baltica, Riga-Jelgava or Riga-Sigulda... Sorry I don't understand logics of current spendings

Roads should be build for 10-15 years at least before taking care of it again...
Tell me if I am wrong. Where you will find the money? Who will benefit from this money? With already our new bridge on Daugava one of the most expensive of the world/meter. I really advice you to hire Dutch or Belgians managers to make the project and control the work, they know how to keep price low and quality high, believe me... I already showed a few examples of incredible briges and their prices on this forum...
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Old March 1st, 2009, 06:54 PM   #92
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The viaduc de Millau costs only 394 million euros...
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Old March 1st, 2009, 07:18 PM   #93
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Are you serious? All via Baltica is made this way...
Nonsense. Where did you hear this? Via Baltica was rebuilt from zero. They diged up the whole road and changed everything there, even a cement-based material was used, restrictions on road works where crazy, it was strongly recommended to use other local roads.

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It takes 2-5 years to make a good magistrale (see in Poland)
I think so, they rebuilt whole Via Baltica in 4 years. For example, here in Jelgava, P100 Ozolnieki-Dalbe those 2,7 km of critical condition road took only 2 years of renovation works, they repaved asphalt, but what a result! The road looks smooth now and will stay 5-7 years in good shape.

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Where you will find the money?
As far as I know, we do have a road budget, which grew with each year for about 100 million, only now it's a bit reduced due to crisis.

Via Baltica, Saulkrasti bypass construction:


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Old March 1st, 2009, 07:25 PM   #94
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Tell me if I am wrong. Where you will find the money? Who will benefit from this money? With already our new bridge on Daugava one of the most expensive of the world/meter.
The whole Southern bridge project costs 500 million. The bridge itself costs only more than 100 million.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 06:48 PM   #95
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but I wonder, are there any roads with asphalt under which is beton in Latvia, anyone knows?
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Not everybody knows the word "beton", it's not an English word. You mean "concrete". Coincidentally, concrete is also "beton" in Dutch.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 06:56 PM   #97
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Not everybody knows the word "beton", it's not an English word. You mean "concrete". Coincidentally, concrete is also "beton" in Dutch.
concrete is also 'beton' in romanian.i didn't know there is at least one word similar in dutch and romanian.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 06:58 PM   #98
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Betons.

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but I wonder, are there any roads with asphalt under which is beton in Latvia, anyone knows?
Nu Via Baltica has. At least that's what one guy from road construction company "Igate" said to me. But who knows, maybe Micrav is right.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 10:18 PM   #99
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What is the origin of word "beton"? Germans? This word is widely used all over Europe.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 12:59 PM   #100
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In Polish we say beton too.

I think the only nation the calling beton concrete are Brits. It's time to change this. Let's make a European Language.
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