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Old July 28th, 2007, 01:25 PM   #1
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#Greenpoint Stadium - 68,000 - Cape Town [Part 2]

Mo go for it, the last one reached its size limit. Hopefully we can condense the good stuff into the first page here.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 07:19 PM   #2
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Mo, how is the bad weather CT is experiencing affecting construction?
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Old July 30th, 2007, 07:50 PM   #3
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When I last visited SA, i read somewhere that the new owners of the Waterfront were considering building a paedestrian boulevard running from the stadium into the Waterfront. Does anyone know if this is still on the cards?
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its all to do with the sale of the somerset hospital site, once thats resolved then the logical ink to the V&A will be clearer
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But is it wise to sell the somerset hospital site to the same developer as the waterfront? surely that will lead to too much monopoly power
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Old July 31st, 2007, 12:12 PM   #6
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Mo, how is the bad weather CT is experiencing affecting construction?
I am sure it would have. if the rain has been so heavy and constant for a week that 50 000 people have been washed out in flooding then i am sure a sandy construction site that is fully open to the hectic winds would be affected.
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Old July 31st, 2007, 03:19 PM   #7
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Grangery Bay Boulevard will link the stadium to the waterfront as per the 1998 Green Point Framework. Funding sources will include the city, new owners of the V&A and the developers of the Somerset Hospital Site.

Quite good news that Dubaiworld and L&R are in town this week or next week along with Atkins. The 2010 stadium to city and back transport planners have also been approached by L&R and Dubaiworld to carry out the traffic assessment and to advise accordingly resulting in an intergrated pedestrian and public transport plan from the city to the stadium and waterfront.

31 international firms have already put their names in the hat to carry out the plans and vision for the V&A over the next three years and beyond.

The first image below indicates the planned Granger Bay Boulevard.





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Great pics. I hope the transport planners are seriously considering a tram network for Cape Town. Would be great to catch a tram from central Cape Town through to Green Point, Waterfront, Sea Point, along Granger Bay, Woodstock.....
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But is it wise to sell the somerset hospital site to the same developer as the waterfront? surely that will lead to too much monopoly power
Agreed. That may be a conflict of interest given the controversy of Ebrahim Rasool in Dubai and whether he accepted a kickback from Dubai World. Also the ANC is getting criticism from it's Africanist and Communist factions about last year's decision to privatise the V&A Waterfront by selling it to a foreign consortium. The Somerset Hospital site will likely now be sold to a BEE group that has no connections to Dubai World and the developments on it could be of a totally different nature too. There has been talk of low cost housing units on it similar to N2 Gateway.
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31 international firms have already put their names in the hat to carry out the plans and vision for the V&A over the next three years and beyond.
That is great to hear. Who are these firms?
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Great pics. I hope the transport planners are seriously considering a tram network for Cape Town. Would be great to catch a tram from central Cape Town through to Green Point, Waterfront, Sea Point, along Granger Bay, Woodstock.....
That an uneccessary cost and I would not support it. A bus shuttle system will use western boulevard and will the boulevard will only be open to public transport and other accredited vehicles.
A more pressing issue would be finding the funds to pay for the airport to city rail link. Trams are far from top priority in my opinion.

An inner city bus shuttle system will be used within the CBD area and include the waterfront pre and post 2010. These busses were recently ordered in South America.
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Agreed. That may be a conflict of interest given the controversy of Ebrahim Rasool in Dubai and whether he accepted a kickback from Dubai World. Also the ANC is getting criticism from it's Africanist and Communist factions about last year's decision to privatise the V&A Waterfront by selling it to a foreign consortium. The Somerset Hospital site will likely now be sold to a BEE group that has no connections to Dubai World and the developments on it could be of a totally different nature too. There has been talk of low cost housing units on it similar to N2 Gateway.
lol. low cost housing units similar to the N2 will certainly not be built on a R1 billion site. I actually support the Dubaiworld plans for the site, which will maximize its potential, of course with a large BEE component.
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lol. low cost housing units similar to the N2 will certainly not be built on a R1 billion site. I actually support the Dubaiworld plans for the site, which will maximize its potential, of course with a large BEE component.
I agree with that as Gateway is a disaster, but Rasool's government owns the site and he may have no choice but to give in to political pressure from ANC party leaders Mcebisi Sckwatcha and James Ncqulu who mastermined Gateway and are determined to award the site to ANC cronies that help them.
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Great pics. I hope the transport planners are seriously considering a tram network for Cape Town. Would be great to catch a tram from central Cape Town through to Green Point, Waterfront, Sea Point, along Granger Bay, Woodstock.....
Tram plans already exist from 2002. The document is online when I find it ill post it here but please remind me if you can.
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I agree with that as Gateway is a disaster, but Rasool's government owns the site and he may have no choice but to give in to political pressure from ANC party leaders Mcebisi Sckwatcha and James Ncqulu who mastermined Gateway and are determined to award the site to ANC cronies that help them.
Don't get me wrong. Homes will be built. But "affordable" homes, not low cost housing. two different things. will add a few things soon.
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Don't get me wrong. Homes will be built. But "affordable" homes, not low cost housing. two different things. will add a few things soon.
That's good to hear. At least they have to meet the new guidelines from the national housing minister regarding incorporating affordable housing into new residential development.
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2010 stadium plans given the green light

By Lindsay Dentlinger

All but one city councillor present at Monday's special council meeting to consider the final buildings of Cape Town's Green Point Stadium voted in favour of them.

Councillor JP Smith, representing the Atlantic Seaboard where a number of residents are opposed to the building of the stadium, abstained from voting, much to the irritation of the African National Congress caucus.

The ANC called for a vote of no confidence in Smith and said he should not be allowed to sit in on proceedings pertaining to the 2010 stadium.

In the public gallery, members of the Cape Town Environmental Protection Association (Cepa) cried foul that the building plans approved by the council were not the ones advertised for public comment and said the results of wind tunnel and noise tests should have been made available for comment.

The council did not uphold any of the objections it received to the building plans.

With wind tunnel and noise tests now completed, the city's 2010 team is ready to begin building the main structure and it is soon expected to rise above ground level.

Until now, the foundations of the stadium have been under construction on the basis of two provisional building plan authorisations.

The design of the stadium had to be revised slightly in January, decreasing its footprint and its height, to cut costs but remain within Fifa regulations for a 68 000-seater stadium.

Bulk excavation is complete and a large number of foundations have already been poured.

Cepa's High Court case, scheduled to get under way in August to challenge the building of the stadium, was postponed on Friday following agreement by all the legal parties concerned for more time to work on the complex case.

In her address to council, Mayor Helen Zille on Monday said the city believed it had answered Cepa's legal challenges substantively and would proceed with the court case.

"This project has extremely tight deadlines. We cannot afford any delay, but we must apply due process and apply our minds," said Zille.

But Zille appeared to have all but thrown in the towel on Cape Town's hopes to host the international broadcast centre for the 2010 event, saying it was seldom that Fifa reneged on its decisions.

The cabinet last week endorsed a decision by Fifa's local organising committee that Johannesburg host the centre.

The final decision will be taken next week.

But Zille said if Cape Town was unsuccessful in this bid, thousands of journalists would still throng here during the event, and many had already started reporting on the city.

Meanwhile, the city is assessing three tenders it has received to operate the stadium after the 2010 event.

The operator, Zille said, would be expected to produce income for the maintenance of the sport, recreation, park and walkway precinct proposed for the reconfigured Green Point Common.



* This article was originally published on page 6 of The Cape Argus on July 31, 2007

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Mo, how is the bad weather CT is experiencing affecting construction?
im not an expert but since earthworks are done and the bedrock is not far from the layer of sand i dont expect too many issues or significant delays, nothing out of the ordinary. on schedule and on budget.
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