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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:03 PM   #6141
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It would certainly be at the same level as the ground floor in St Johns. I remember that it used to come out into the open air on the precinct side of Lime Street. It could connect into the Fairclough Street subway that used to run from Lewiss basement into the main concourse at Central.

There were two subway accesses very close together in Lime Street, one to the St John's subway and another to the Merseyrail subway. They both had steps one side and a ramp the other. The St John's one was nearer the south, Concourse House end.

That ramp rings a bell. Was it right beside the greasy spoon which used to be below Concourse House? Did the other end of Market Way come out inside the centre, or somewhere outside near what was Woolies and is now Aldi? Imagine if someone had had the foresight to build a continuation of that into the ground floor of Clayton Square.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:19 PM   #6142
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Again I have to add- great work Liverbird. What's the next step? Seems a shame to do all this work & research and not to put it forward to the council. Petitions we could get behind, perhaps? Share on social media etc.
Thanks Ed, I've obviously put everything to Merseytravel etc, hopefully we can get a meeting with top brass and Joe etc, to take the concept forward and ask the government for funding and search for investors to help make it happen.

I think it may come to us having to create a proper petition to get a response from people soon. Liverpool Underground has a following of over 3500 on Facebook at the moment so maybe an online petition is the best way forward :-)
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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:20 PM   #6143
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Crikey. Those comment pages really do illustrate how to stop people believing in themselves. Starve people of investment for long enough, it seems, and they start to behave not just as if it won't happen, but almost as if they don't deserve it
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Old March 20th, 2017, 04:36 PM   #6144
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That ramp rings a bell. Was it right beside the greasy spoon which used to be below Concourse House? Did the other end of Market Way come out inside the centre, or somewhere outside near what was Woolies and is now Aldi? Imagine if someone had had the foresight to build a continuation of that into the ground floor of Clayton Square.
Here's a Liverpool Tourist Board advert for the old subway experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ETvOjCuQxI
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Old March 20th, 2017, 06:34 PM   #6145
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Here's a Liverpool Tourist Board advert for the old subway experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ETvOjCuQxI

Thanks very much. What was with the escalators at the St Johns end, rather than just having a passage leading to the ground floor? Must every railway station entrance in the city involve a pointless change of level?
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Old March 20th, 2017, 06:38 PM   #6146
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Looking at the height of the escalator, they probably would have had to dig deeper to open up on the lower floor. Also if you were going to the hotel then you would have had to go back up.

It's odd to think of this passageway. Almost as soon as they covered it over it was like it had never existed. What a grim welcome it used to be!
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Old March 21st, 2017, 02:40 AM   #6147
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Looking at the height of the escalator, they probably would have had to dig deeper to open up on the lower floor. Also if you were going to the hotel then you would have had to go back up.

It's odd to think of this passageway. Almost as soon as they covered it over it was like it had never existed. What a grim welcome it used to be!
Indeed. I'd been through this subway numerous times, but had no recollection of doing so until the video was posted. The escalator at the St Johns end was the trigger. The shops at the base of Concourse House are also not missed (although it's a shame the tower was never built).

I'd also forgotten how shite the view of St Johns multi storey was from Lime Street. On my last visit to Liverpool, I recall thinking that the screen and wrap was starting to look a little shabby, but it's still a hell of a lot better than what is behind!
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Old March 21st, 2017, 02:53 AM   #6148
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There were a couple of second hand shops on that parade. I bought 4 top quality worsted wool tailored 1950s three pice suits out of one of them nigh on 17 year ago for a fiver a suit. Still have a couple left.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 12:16 PM   #6149
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BAM NuttAll wins multi-million-pound contract for Merseyside rail schemes
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Civil engineering giant BAM Nuttall has been awarded a multi-million-pound contract by Stadler Rail Services for two major projects in Merseyside.

It will build a state-of-the-art train depot in Kirkdale and refurbish an existing depot in Birkenhead North.

It is part of an overall scheme won by Stadler to manufacture and maintain a new fleet of 52 metro trains for Merseytravel and Merseyrail for the Liverpool city region.

Working in partnership with BAM’s Warrington office, the deal will see a significant direct investment go straight into depot construction and refurbishment.

The company will use UK-based suppliers for the design and construction and sourcing of all materials domestically from the northern construction market.

Designed to drive the most efficient use of the new fleet by minimising the movement of stock within the depot, the Kirkdale facility will include washing and stabling facilities, maintenance shed with run-through tracks, office space, and a simulator suite.

The design includes potential for the depot to be extended for 80-metre long trainsets.

At Birkenhead North, the existing depot will be upgraded with a new washing facility so it will be possible to clean the trains on the Wirral line (Birkenhead North) and the Northern line (Kirkdale).

Once the Kirkdale depot is ready for the main maintenance of the new fleet, this facility will focus on overnight servicing and cleaning. The depot works are due to be completed in 2019, in time for the arrival of new vehicles for testing.

Alan Cox, pre-construction director of BAM Nuttall, said: ‘We have been working collaboratively with Stadler during the tender stage of this exciting programme. From our Warrington office we have been able to provide locally based staff to support the bid and develop the programme.

“We will continue with this locally based approach throughout the delivery phase and also provide opportunity for our northern based supply chain. We look forward to delivering this key piece of infrastructure for Stadler and Merseytravel and supporting the local economy.”

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/north...e-rail-schemes
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Old March 21st, 2017, 05:49 PM   #6150
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Merseyrail and Northern to strike on Grand National day.

This won't win them any sympathy.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 05:57 PM   #6151
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Merseyrail and Northern to strike on Grand National day.

This won't win them any sympathy.
it depends who you blame for the dispute.
it wont happen just tactic to get around the table for serious talks
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Old March 21st, 2017, 06:01 PM   #6152
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So there's no taxis or trains? Fantastic
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Old March 21st, 2017, 06:13 PM   #6153
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So there's no taxis or trains? Fantastic


I can see the newspaper headlines already...

This really doesnt do the city region any favours.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 06:23 PM   #6154
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it depends who you blame for the dispute.
it wont happen just tactic to get around the table for serious talks
As these new trains aren't due to be operational until 2020, why strike now? If there is no agreement between now and then are there going to be random strikes over the next three years?
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Old March 21st, 2017, 07:53 PM   #6155
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I can see the newspaper headlines already...

This really doesnt do the city region any favours.
Hey ho. At least it is more likely that the BBC will report on the Grand National this year as being "in Liverpool"!
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Old March 21st, 2017, 07:58 PM   #6156
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As these new trains aren't due to be operational until 2020, why strike now? If there is no agreement between now and then are there going to be random strikes over the next three years?
Rather than being too soon, I would describe it as being "too late" as the train order has already gone in.

I'm not certain whether physically a guard would be able to operate the doors on the new trains, but even if they were the trains are obviously all paid for as to operate with the driver doing the work, aided by a load of kit. To operate them in guard mode now would be leaving all that equipment to go to waste, and giving someone a job that doesn't need to be done.

Of course there were strikes on the subject of DOO elsewhere at the time, though. Just not on Merseyrail...

There now seems no hope of resolution beyond the introduction of the trains making the point moot.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 07:58 PM   #6157
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Barely any industrial disputes in Liverpool nowadays.... so i don't see how it is overly detrimental to the city tbh. They have the right to withdraw their labour..... employers are often equally culpable if their workers decide to exercise that right.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 08:40 PM   #6158
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Keep the trains staffed, and wait it out for retirements, staff departures, and don't hire any new guards. The numbers will dwindle pretty rapidly, and the remaining guards can hop on and off trains at various stations until they disappear from the network altogether.
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This is a national dispute and it seems the argument over who opens and closes the doors isn't the main thrust of it. It's having a single person on a train that may be miles from urban areas, roads and assistance. Even the drivers are against it. I think the argument needs to be reported properly so people can decide with information rather than "it's dead modern, there's cameras and everything so the guard doesn't need to close the doors" simplicity that's been presented by the agents of capital so far.

Do NED operate driver only operated trains in Holland?
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More importantly, can CCTV deliver CPR between stations?
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