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Old June 5th, 2015, 08:47 PM   #461
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Any update on this project in the last 1.5 months? Been pretty quiet overall but looking for the latest info...
As a representative of the forum police, please do no bump a thread simply to ask if there is any new news. We have a dedicated group of news seekers and industry insiders who will shout new info from the hills the second it becomes publicly available (sometimes even BEFORE it hits the news stands). Bumping the thread gets everyone's hopes up. Don't be the boy who cried wolf.

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Old June 5th, 2015, 08:54 PM   #462
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As a representative of the forum police, please do no bump a thread simply to ask if there is any new news. We have a dedicated group of news seekers and industry insiders who will shout new info from the hills the second it becomes publicly available (sometimes even BEFORE it hits the news stands). Bumping the thread gets everyone's hopes up. Don't be the boy who cried wolf.

Also while we're at it, Never ever ever never quote a whole picture thread simply to make a one line reply of "looks good". scrolling takes forever on mobile devices.

Welcome to the forum, and move along, nothing to see here.
You may need a lesson on what "the boy who cried wolf" means but point taken. Sorry for "bumping" everyone! Please revert your hopes to pre-bump levels!
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Old July 7th, 2015, 10:02 PM   #463
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It looks like at least the design is continuing for this project. I was curious when the activity had happened in the DPD for Civic Square, and it appears they're been reviewing drawings as recently as last week.

Review documents here.

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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:13 AM   #464
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It looks like at least the design is continuing for this project. I was curious when the activity had happened in the DPD for Civic Square, and it appears they're been reviewing drawings as recently as last week.

Review documents here.

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Eep. "Thank you" for the depressing reminder that they haven't even gotten through design review yet. Somehow, the hopeful me had assumed that those drawings from 6-7 years ago meant that they'd at least slipped over that hurdle at some point. But no.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:27 AM   #465
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Eep. "Thank you" for the depressing reminder that they haven't even gotten through design review yet. Somehow, the hopeful me had assumed that those drawings from 6-7 years ago meant that they'd at least slipped over that hurdle at some point. But no.
Will Crystal Carrington and Alexis have a fight in that pit? The building looks so dated.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:47 AM   #466
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I think they have gone through design review but are now going through permitting. They aren't one and the same.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:47 AM   #467
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Actually all the recent documents concern the construction management plan, e.g., how to carry out shoring, draining, excavation, conveyance, mechanical/electrical, manage traffic, etc. The design of the building itself and plaza appear to be well baked from previous design reviews and site plan.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 02:56 AM   #468
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Thank god. So by "design", Matt's referring to elements of the construction planning and permitting? I'm far from thrilled about the architecture, but I'll take the building as it is over leaving a pit there all the way into the next development cycle.
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Old July 8th, 2015, 06:10 PM   #469
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Ah, a description is needed of the process. Designs tend to go through at least three rounds. As I understand them:

Schematic Design starts with basic massing and configuration of a building. You see a lot of work from the architect, structural engineers, the planning types (number of sf of what type of space), and some basic input for the other trades. This is the phase you typically see in design review, as the building is still malleable.

Design Development takes a mostly fixed building shell and starts laying out the concepts for the other trades. The HVAC system will be well defined, as will the electrical systems, elevators, lighting, plumbing, etc. The building may still be going through design review, but it's at the later stages by this point as any major change would require re-work from all of these trades (they'd throw much of their designs away, which is expensive).

Construction Documents are the final set of prints you build off of. There's the most work by the trade engineers in this phase, and every detail is worked out. At some point plans are submitted for permit, which are reviewed by the DPD. Only minor modifications and refinements happen after a permit set, as large changes have to be reviewed again. Of course, different trades go in for permit at different times - the structural side goes in early, as they're the first ones to start work.

Anyway, by "design" I meant that they're spending money on the CD phase, which is the most detailed. I believe in total design can cost 15% of your construction costs*. It's unlikely they'd spend the money to go this far if they aren't intending to start construction. The furthest I've made it through drawing sets before a project was cancelled was DD, and that was for a project in Dubai at the start of the recession. Of course I'm sure buildings have been cancelled even after CD drawings were complete, but the fact that it hasn't happened to me probably means it's rare.

* number comes from back in engineering school, not real world - I have no idea the percent for a tall building in Seattle
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Old July 8th, 2015, 07:52 PM   #470
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Construction documents are almost there. But the mechanical sub, casework sub, etc., will take it to an additional level of detail so they can actually fabricate. Stuff like edge details, connection details, and so on.

Concept design is before schematic. That's what you see when it's just massing diagrams and general layouts.
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Great summary of the real design process for those of us not in the know. Thanks guys!
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...when do they submit the napkin sketches?
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