STOCKHOLM | Transport & Infrastructure

[Swede]

Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Hurrah! Longitudinal seating comes to Sverige! I quite like longitudinal seating - it'll stop people from crowding around the doors quite as much as they do at present. That said, the C20 trains are some of the most comfortable seats I've ever seen on a metro. They are great, so I really do hope they're as good as we have currently.

The mix of groups and longitudinal will probably work out great. I do wonder about the number of longitudinal seats tho. In the sketch it looks like they're cramming in as many longitudinal seats per meter of wall as would be in the groups, which afaik is NOT a good illustration of how many seats would fit without them being clearly narrower. Which will not work.

Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Also, sorry to hear about another PUT. Seems to be a growing way to off oneself. I remember a very horrific one at S:t Eriksplan last year - a young teenage girl killed herself just as I was going down to the station. Awful. Absolutely awful.

Luckily I haven't seen one. I've seen a high junkie fall onto the tracks at T-centralen, thankfully a couple of guys got him up in time.

[knasboll]

Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Mind you, we've got bigger problems that suicides at the moment. SL is curtailing bus and metro services to a number of districts at the moment due to "problems in the area".

Farcical...

Fire and stone-throwing? If that's the case, it's far from the first time. Everything from people dumping large rocks on the commuter trains, to people shooting at buses with air-rifles. I remember buses not wanting to go through Husby maybe ten years ago because people were shooting at the buses. I'm always sad for the people who have to work under those conditions.

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by knasboll

Fire and stone-throwing? If that's the case, it's far from the first time. Everything from people dumping large rocks on the commuter trains, to people shooting at buses with air-rifles. I remember buses not wanting to go through Husby maybe ten years ago because people were shooting at the buses. I'm always sad for the people who have to work under those conditions.

Yep, I know it's not the first time, but it's still unbelievable given the scope of the districts affected. The green line was suspended to Hagsätra, buses were suspended in Norsborg, Fittja, Husby, Rinkeby, Tensta, Kista, Skarpnäck and others. This is a large scale shut down, not just one district.

I, too, feel for those having to work in such situations. It undermines the effectiveness of public transport and completely isolates these districts for those in them who don't own cars. I hope someone gets this under control, fast.

[bolg]

Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Yep, I know it's not the first time, but it's still unbelievable given the scope of the districts affected. The green line was suspended to Hagsätra, buses were suspended in Norsborg, Fittja, Husby, Rinkeby, Tensta, Kista, Skarpnäck and others. This is a large scale shut down, not just one district.

I, too, feel for those having to work in such situations. It undermines the effectiveness of public transport and completely isolates these districts for those in them who don't own cars. I hope someone gets this under control, fast.

Imo it's a good move. Given the scope and media coverage of the protests you don't want "professional" instigators and rioters traveling to other districts to start fires. I think they want to put the potesters from being able to travel within a reasonbily walkable distance.

And then there's the aspect regarding employee safety, whose to say the violence won't spread to the neighbouring station? threats of physical violence, arson, stone throwing should be taken seriously by any decent employer.

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by bolg

Imo it's a good move. Given the scope and media coverage of the protests you don't want "professional" instigators and rioters traveling to other districts to start fires. I think they want to put the potesters from being able to travel within a reasonbily walkable distance.

And then there's the aspect regarding employee safety, whose to say the violence won't spread to the neighbouring station? threats of physical violence, arson, stone throwing should be taken seriously by any decent employer.

Well, it's more than that. The fact that it got this stage without the police being able to clamp down effectively is shameful. Moves like this also affects your average person too. These few who live in these districts are making things very difficult for the vast majority that live there who are good people stuck in the middle here (and often forgotten during such situations).

[knasboll]

Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Well, it's more than that. The fact that it got this stage without the police being able to clamp down effectively is shameful. Moves like this also affects your average person too. These few who live in these districts are making things very difficult for the vast majority that live there who are good people stuck in the middle here (and often forgotten during such situations).

In the long term it will also chase away those people who have the ability to move and change areas. The kind of people these areas desperately need. Those with jobs and incomes that are established in society. The absolute worst thing that can happen to an area is that the only people who stay there are the ones who have no choice.

[Svartmetall]

Too true. I very much hope this doesn't have negative repercussions for the future - especially given the investment in Kista as an area and the fantastic new apartments going up in the area.

[Swede]

A better screenshot:



got it directly from the source:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fp6xhfuz7x...0%20130521.pdf

[knasboll]

Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Too true. I very much hope this doesn't have negative repercussions for the future - especially given the investment in Kista as an area and the fantastic new apartments going up in the area.

It doesn't have any positive effects at least, I can say that much... The best we can hope for is no effects at all. Honestly I think that areas whose reputation has already taken a beating is worse off because of this, and like I said before it's definitely not what they need. I'm happy that I don't live in the area anymore, I would hate to see rioting like that. It's definitely not the things I associate with the area where I grew up. Of course, Akalla was one of the areas that were actually free from rioting, but still. I have been so much in Husby and Kista that it also feels like home.

[Svartmetall]

I just noticed something about the new trains for the red line - they run as four carriage sets. Are the carriages markedly longer than current 9 carriage sets?

[dj4life]

I believe, the conjunctions of 2-3 cars will operate (or will be operated).

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by dj4life

I believe, the conjunctions of 2-3 cars will operate (or will be operated).

Yep, but when you combine two, four carriage trains together you get 8 carriages compared to our current sets of three, three carriage trains to make 9 carriages. A 12 carriage train (unless the carriages are really short) would not fit.

This is why I asked if they are longer.

[Swede]

No, they are going to be 70 meters long per triple-jointed-car. Couple two of those together and they'll be 140 meters. Compare that to (from wiki) 3xC20 at 139.5 and 8xC13 at 138.56. So a full length C30 train will be .5 meters longer than a full C20 train, but be made up of two triple-jointed cars instead of three double-jointed cars. This should allow for more internal space if I'm thinking straight.

The crux is that a C20 isn't as long as 3 Cx cars, it is shorter than that. It was made so that 3xC20 should equal 8xCx and so that 2xC20 shouldn't be too far from 6xCx. Come to think of it, the 1xC20 run at night on the Skarpnäck branch as a shuttle Gullmars-Skarpnäck must be the shortest subway train run in regular service on the Stockholm subway (unless one includes the trams that ran on parts of the network before it became the subway we know today).