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Old January 27th, 2006, 07:01 PM   #61
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Personally, I think it was tactless how Jyllands-Posten handled this whole thingamajig. Yet, I think what they did (publishing the drawings) had to be done. Freedom of speech (and press) is essential to the Danish society and culture. So essential, that they're both protected by law - which means that the government couldn't legally make Jyllands-Posten apologise or withdraw the drawing even if they wanted to.

As our freedom of speech and press (Denmark is continually number one or thereabout in the World when surveys are done) is very important to us, I think what Jyllands-Posten did was very essential. The drawings were published on the basis of the imminent release of a book about the prophet and his life, to which the author of it found that no one dared make illustrations. Jyllands-Posten wanted to illustrate that the freedom of speech is getting more and more pressed and often down right ignored in certain groups of our society.

Now, I think the Muslims have every right to act the way they've done, and considering the fact that there in their religion is incorporated a commandment about not picturing holy people in particular (and it doesn't get much holier than Mohammed), I don't see they could have reacted any other way.

They also have every right to boycott our products, although I think it is very childish and down right ignorant to do so, as it was a private newspaper which printed the drawings and that the government can't do anything about it what so ever, as the papers right to do what they did is protected in our constitution.

I also don't like the fact that a group of Danish Muslims travelled to the Middle East in order to get support and rise awareness of what Jyllands-Posten had done, brought a number of pictures and statements that simply wasn't true, like saying that JP had printed pictures where praying Muslims got sodomised by dogs etc. and that Jyllands-Posten was a government-held newspaper.

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Old January 27th, 2006, 07:02 PM   #62
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Holy Quran

Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith all in Hell.

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I don't CARE what the Koran says! I am a Christian of the Catholic faith, and my only book is the Holy Bible.



You should read me the part that says that you should not murder. There are some Islamofascists that have not read that part of the Quran yet.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 07:09 PM   #63
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what will happen if an Arabic or Muslim cartoonist make fun of Jewish or Christian religions, i think it will be a world wide massacre against Muslims!
It would be a huge improvement if you stopped blowing up our airplane, buses, trains, synagoges and instead made fun of us!
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Old January 27th, 2006, 07:14 PM   #64
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Maybe you should read the rest of the thread for a better interpretation rather than looking for a few posts you can use to justify trollish comments like these
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Old January 27th, 2006, 08:19 PM   #65
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The UAE should act like Saudi Arabic and ask its ambassador to come back. They should consider kicking the danish ambassador too.

bastards

And having top Imams (who have much more influence in Muslim countries then some irreverent cartoonist in western ones) refer to non-Muslims as pigs and apes is considered better how? Hypocrites.

You can't even build a Church in the whole country of Saudi Arabia but DENMARK are the xenophobic Islamo-phobes? Cry me a river.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 08:35 PM   #66
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Exactly, they should accept our culture by not insulting our prophet

Accepting others doesnt including accepting insulting us.


what goes around comes around

glad to see you finally admitt to conding 9-11....I guess if you feel that what goes around comes around that you would codone the act if 20 Swedes for instance crashed an Emiriti jet into Burj Dubai in 10 years?
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Old January 27th, 2006, 08:43 PM   #67
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oh well then i suggest you make up insulting movies and plays about the prophet , just to make muslims used to it and learn your "freedom of speach" and be responseble for the results.

those pictures weren't about freedom of speach as you are advertising, its more like spreading hatrads between people and provoking people without sending any messages but hatrard and stupidness full of lies and provokations.

keep doing that and at the end see if it was worth it or not.

and by the way i dont care what you care about or what you dont care about , i just made examples of how seriouse that was, not to preach you by any means.

ahh,, how nice. More not so veiled terror threats of blowing up innocent Danes because of a few drawings. You got to love the sense of scale in some Muslims heads.

Why don't you boycot more serious issues and boycot the Sudan for killing 2.5 million black Africans over the last two decades. It doesn't suprise me if you find some stupid drawings to be more important then the slaughter of 2.5 black Africans under the guise of a Sharia goverment imposing "Arabization" on the south though.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 08:53 PM   #68
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And having top Imams (who have much more influence in Muslim countries then some irreverent cartoonist in western ones) refer to non-Muslims as pigs and apes is considered better how? Hypocrites.

You can't even build a Church in the whole country of Saudi Arabia but DENMARK are the xenophobic Islamo-phobes? Cry me a river.


They can persecute my religion, but then bitch about when people just criticize their faith.

The f*cking hypocrisy reaks of immaturity.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:03 PM   #69
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can someone translate this plz

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Uriasposten blev torsdag aften kl. 23.09 hacket af ukendte islamister, der tog kontrollen over sitet via administrator-adgangen til wordpress. IT-kyndige er sat pň opgaven, og det forventes ikke at give varig skade. Der er sikkerhedskopier, reservedomŠner etc.


Yderligere info: [email protected]



Anbefaler:
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:11 PM   #70
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can someone translate this plz

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Uriasposten blev torsdag aften kl. 23.09 hacket af ukendte islamister, der tog kontrollen over sitet via administrator-adgangen til wordpress. IT-kyndige er sat pň opgaven, og det forventes ikke at give varig skade. Der er sikkerhedskopier, reservedomŠner etc.


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"Uriasposten was hacked Thursday night at 23:09 by unknown Islamists, who took over control of the website via the administrator-access to wordpress. IT-people have been put on the task and it’s not expected to cause permanent damage."

EDIT, Don't know why I wrote Sunday afternoon, as it was Thursday evening.

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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:12 PM   #71
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can someone translate this plz
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"Uriasposten blev torsdag aften kl. 23.09 hacket af ukendte islamister, der tog kontrollen over sitet via administrator-adgangen til wordpress."
The Uriaspost was thursday evening at 1109PM hacked by unknown islamists, who took control over the site via the administrator-entrence to Wordpress.

"IT-kyndige er sat pň opgaven, og det forventes ikke at give varig skade. Der er sikkerhedskopier, reservedomŠner etc."
IT-specialist is on the job, and no permanent damage is expected. There are safety backup, reserve domains aect.

Yderligere info: [email protected]

More info: [email protected]

I have no idea about the arabian part...
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:15 PM   #72
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:21 PM   #73
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ahh,, how nice. More not so veiled terror threats of blowing up innocent Danes because of a few drawings. You got to love the sense of scale in some Muslims heads.

Why don't you boycot more serious issues and boycot the Sudan for killing 2.5 million black Africans over the last two decades. It doesn't suprise me if you find some stupid drawings to be more important then the slaughter of 2.5 black Africans under the guise of a Sharia goverment imposing "Arabization" on the south though.
whats with the paranoia?!! what veiled terror threats are you talking about?

my point from that post was "that move from that magazine wasn't worth all the re-actions its getting or will get in the future". looks like that magazine is run by pathetic ignorant 15 years old, which calls insulting others "freedom of speach" how typical? its like its freedom of speach to go to your door steps and start swearing at your parents and your family and posting funny pictures of you and your family all over the place and call that "freedom of speach"

but when it comes to your beloved Jews its suddenly changes from freedom of speach to Anti-Sematisim and hatreds.


and FYI Sudan is a Black African nation and its corrupt thanks to European and Israels and American assestance.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:36 PM   #74
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whats with the paranoia?!! what veiled terror threats are you talking about?

my point from that post was "that move from that magazine wasn't worth all the re-actions its getting or will get in the future". looks like that magazine is run by pathetic ignorant 15 years old, which calls insulting others "freedom of speach" how typical? its like its freedom of speach to go to your door steps and start swearing at your parents and your family and posting funny pictures of you and your family all over the place and call that "freedom of speach"

but when it comes to your beloved Jews its suddenly changes from freedom of speach to Anti-Sematisim and hatreds.


and FYI Sudan is a Black African nation and its corrupt thanks to European and Israels and American assestance.
There've been numerous threats to the people at Jyllands-Posten and the cartoonists.

And ofr crying out loud, Jyllands-Posten didn't print the pictures just to insult Muslims. They were probably aware that some would be offended, but it wasn't their intent to simply insult the Muslim community.

And well, if you came to my door and started swearing at my family, you'd probably get your ass kicked, but I think if you hated me, or my family, you should be allowed to say it without being threatened with bodily harm as consequence. No harm in swearing at people or saying you hate them, inmy eyes. Although it's wise not to do so, from a civilised and decent point of view.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:50 PM   #75
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lol overacting muslims.... sorry but this just ruined the good image i had of you guys, this is just seriously backward, undemocratic, and sooooo religion blind!

but bah... squibble away
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:55 PM   #76
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kobtke thnx for the translations.

if it wasnt their intention to insult muslims and all was just to show that their freedom isnt under threat as you are saying they shouldve thought for something else rather than swearing and insulting others. it isnt Civilised and decent Dont you think so?

its like ok we must show people that we have freedom of speach lets pick a person and start making fun of him and print a provoking posters about him full of lies and swearing. and see his re-action to it. its not an experiment and that was childish and stupid excuse to show their hatred to Islam and Danish islamic community.

simply the reasons of that action werent convencing and making a picture of the prophet "challange" should be made by people themselves not encouraged by that stupid magazine. if people didnt want to make a photo in that book why encouraging others to do so??


add to that Sheia muslims do make Pictures of the prophet , if that magazine made similar picture it wont be a big deal , but making pictures as we saw were clearly showing the intention of provoking Muslims and Clear Insult to the Islamic community arount the world and thats pathetic and looks more like attention seeking from that magazine.

anyway if you kicked my ass for swearing at you, would i be able to sue you for kicking my ass for expressing my "freedom of speach" by calling you names and stuff just because of hatred toward you and maby some jelousy?
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Old January 27th, 2006, 09:57 PM   #77
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By the french 18th century writer Voltaire

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

unfortunatly Arabia is still lost in the 15th century...
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By the french 18th century writer Voltaire

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

unfortunatly Arabia is still lost in the 15th century...


Islam is ripe for a Reformation. The Christian one happened between 1400 and 1500 years after its founding. It has been nearly 1400 years since the founding of Islam.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 10:59 PM   #79
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Shayan - I also don't know what tollerance is but most muslems don't know what tolerance is!
Well i support Ayaan hirsi ali but that doesnt mean that she has to express her views that loudly and insulting.. I┤m not saying that the freedom of expression should be banned thats the most important freedom in the civilised world! But i┤m saying that some people need to use there commen sense and say stuff more nicely otherwise it would lead to conflict in stead of discussion and dialogue..
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But on the other hand this was a cartoon (so comedy) and the drawer should have the right to express his/her views! If he/she likes to make fun of islam he/she should be able to by law! But on thing i┤ve learned from this thread is that a lot of muslims cant take any criticism.. Its kinda sad you muslims should have laughed about it! (and the picture stuff is only for sunnies, shia┤s can have pictures and stuff)
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