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Old May 21st, 2011, 07:29 PM   #21
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So which is the train

"we suggested they take . . . up to Berwick, turn . . .round and come back through the county, and that’s what they’re doing"?
That is only the once-per-day 06:00 East Coast stopping train from Berwick to London (weekdays only) and which is overtaken by The Flying Scotsman. (It will run empty, i.e. not carrying passengers, in the early morning from Heaton Depot up to Berwick).

The problem with this proposal was that Berwick does not have either a terminating bay platform nor a 3rd through platform, so any terminating train there during the busier hours of the day would present an obstruction to through traffic; an obstruction which would begin to have profound knock-on effects throughout the whole East Coast line if there was any disruption. Even Northern's 2 slow services to Chathill can run onwards to be diverted into a siding at Belford before returning south, simply in order to keep the mainline clear. At 6am this move is not so much of a risk, just as long as it departs in time to avoid holding up the headline 'The Flying Scotsman'.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 07:49 PM   #22
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The 0540 Flying Scotsman doesn't call at Morpeth. It leaves Edinburgh Waverly at 0540 and arrives into London Kings Cross at 0940. The only calling point on the entire route is Newcastle at 0702 leaving at 0703.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 08:13 PM   #23
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So it is the 0600 from Berwick that calls at Morpeth at 0635 after having run empty from Heaton?

I am old enough to remember when Berwick's two platforms could handle local trains terminating from Newcastle and from Edinburgh, for the Coldstream line, and the main line expresses!
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Old May 21st, 2011, 08:30 PM   #24
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The 0540 Flying Scotsman doesn't call at Morpeth. It leaves Edinburgh Waverly at 0540 and arrives into London Kings Cross at 0940. The only calling point on the entire route is Newcastle at 0702 leaving at 0703.
Yes, that's right.
I see in my earlier post I mixed up the timetables for the 06:00 from Berwick and the Flying Scotsman which runs behind it and then overtakes it in Yorkshire. I'll amend my post to clarify this. Thanks.
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So it is the 0600 from Berwick that calls at Morpeth at 0635 after having run empty from Heaton?
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 01:01 PM   #25
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Investment in rail network to benefit Port of Tyne
by Andrew Glover, The Journal, May 23rd 2011



PART of the North East's rail network that has lain dormant for a decade is being rejuvenated in a £1.6m boost to the region's economy.

The Port of Tyne will reap the benefits of the major investment programme, which will save freight trains up to two hours on journey times. Network Rail has renewed a section of track near Boldon, South Tyneside, and services will now travel east from the port and connect with the East Coast Main Line, cutting their travelling distance by seven miles.

The “Boldon east curve” had been out of operation for 10 years until 600 yards of track as well as crossings and signalling were restored.

Trains from the port will now pick up the main line at Northallerton with bosses at the port expecting the change to boost the North East’s economic growth.

Chief executive Andrew Moffat said: “For us, the shorter rail journey time will have an impact on how many trains we can run in a day and makes us even more competitive as a port.


Read More - http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-e...#ixzz1NAjm8Mq0
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 02:05 PM   #26
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The port of Tyne rail line is good news. Hopefully it will be another boost to the port.
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 02:07 PM   #27
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Flying Scotsman service to London returns
by Joanne Butcher, Evening Chronicle, May 23rd 2011


ONE of the world’s most famous trains is back on the rails.

The new Flying Scotsman service from Edinburgh to London pulled into Newcastle Central Station at 7am today.

Named after the historic “4472 Flying Scotsman” steam locomotive of the 1920s, the express service runs non-stop from Newcastle to London and takes just two hours and 37 minutes to reach the capital.

VIDEO of todays arrival - http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/_serv...429947/1343838

East Coast managing director Karen Boswell said: “East Coast’s fantastic new locomotive and service writes an exciting new chapter in the 149-year history of the Flying Scotsman.

“It’s part of our policy of bringing back train names and restoring pride, passion and even a touch of glamour and romance back to the East Coast railway.”


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Old May 23rd, 2011, 02:32 PM   #28
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Will there be a train service similar running up the country during the morning as well? Also will there be evening versions of it?
No.
The new East Coast Timetable is here in full.
The only service with the headline time of 4hours Edinburgh-London (stopping only at Newcastle) is the 5:40 southbound.
It was considered that the evenieng 'peak' period is more broadly spread out over a few hours and so no one service could provide the benefit.
Equally, the mainline is more densely timetabled throughout the rest of the day, its been tricky enough to get a clear path for the 5:40 and it was 2 mins late on arrival at Kings Cross having caught up with East Coast's own 'Hull Executive' service and then East Coasts's own new early stopping service, which was delayed to let the Flying Scotsman past.

Some are questioning if this 'new fast' service can really continue due to the congestion. (They used to run more services in under 4 hours a few years ago when lines were less busy).
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 03:46 PM   #29
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by Joanne Butcher, Evening Chronicle, May 23rd 2011


The new Flying Scotsman service from Edinburgh to London pulled into Newcastle Central Station at 7am today.

Named after the historic “4472 Flying Scotsman” steam locomotive of the 1920s, the express service runs non-stop from Newcastle to London and takes just two hours and 37 minutes to reach the capital.

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East Coast managing director Karen Boswell said: “East Coast’s fantastic new locomotive and service writes an exciting new chapter in the 149-year history of the Flying Scotsman.

“It’s part of our policy of bringing back train names and restoring pride, passion and even a touch of glamour and romance back to the East Coast railway.”

More confusion here from East Coast (or maybe the Chronicle)?

If the Flying Scotsman has a 149-year history, it can hardly be named after a locomotive (4472) built in the 1920s!

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Old May 23rd, 2011, 06:10 PM   #30
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More confusion here from East Coast (or maybe the Chronicle)?

If the Flying Scotsman has a 149-year history, it can hardly be named after a locomotive (4472) built in the 1920s!
You probs shouldn't blame the Press for that, the text has all been copied from the EastCoast media centre.

I'd guess that the 149 refers to the first attempts to run trains from end-to-end through the various railway companies' lines that were only really unified when they were nationalised. Those services would first have run about 1860.
Its another example of stringing sentences together out of fragmented bits of information which don't actually connect in any logical sense!
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 06:16 PM   #31
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how busy does that 5:40 train get? i'd consider taking that from edinburgh to newcastle.
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 09:15 PM   #32
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how busy does that 5:40 train get? i'd consider taking that from edinburgh to newcastle.
Its simply too soon to tell.

This morning's was packed (about 85% and after Newcastle, only 3 vacant seats in First!) but then it was bubbling over with EC staff, press, and others there for the novelty.
For the rest of this week, its also likely to be busy on account of the ash affecting air cancellations and more 'novelty travellers', and tomorrow - who knows - after today's high winds, the return northbound service was terminated at Newcastle!

Check it again in a couple of weeks to see how things pan out.

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Old May 23rd, 2011, 09:31 PM   #33
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Its simply too soon to tell.

This morning's was packed (about 85% and after Newcastle, only 3 vacant seats in First!) but then it was bubbling over with EC staff, press, and others there for the novelty.
For the rest of this week, its also likely to be busy on account of the ash affecting air cancellations and more 'novelty travellers', and tomorrow - who knows - after today's high winds, the return northbound service was terminated at Newcastle!

Check it again in a couple of weeks to see how things pan out.
thanks for the info. may try the 5:45 if that is a bit quieter, even though it takes longer to get to newcastle.
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You probs shouldn't blame the Press for that, the text has all been copied from the EastCoast media centre.

I'd guess that the 149 refers to the first attempts to run trains from end-to-end through the various railway companies' lines that were only really unified when they were nationalised. Those services would first have run about 1860.
Its another example of stringing sentences together out of fragmented bits of information which don't actually connect in any logical sense!
Yep. The high-speed-limited-stop service between Edinburgh and London has been running for 149 years. It had been colloquially known as the "Flying Scotsman" for some time when the LNER officially named it as such in the 1920s. They then named the locomotive after the service.

Now as part of the publicity for the new timetable - with its "as fast as we dare to plan" Flying Scotsman - another locomotive has been named for the service.
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Yep. The high-speed-limited-stop service between Edinburgh and London has been running for 149 years. It had been colloquially known as the "Flying Scotsman" for some time when the LNER officially named it as such in the 1920s. They then named the locomotive after the service.
I always thought the Flying Scotsman was a specific train : the 1000 departure from Kings X and Edinburgh in each direction. Others were also named. I can remember the 1600 was called The Talisman.
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1000 in each direction is right, but various operators on the East Coast have seen fit to dilute their own heritage by running it at different times. And recently the up FS wasn't even an Edinburgh service, but started from Glasgow...
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 04:35 PM   #37
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Is 'Grand Central' the latest incarnation of GNER/National Express/East Coast?

If so, it seems they have been rebranded so much as to lose all identity, no wonder they keep failing.

Or is it another operator?

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it's another operator. they run trains from sunderland to kings cross.
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Old June 4th, 2011, 07:18 PM   #39
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Is 'Grand Central' the latest incarnation of GNER/National Express/East Coast? If so, it seems theyve been rebranded so much as to lose all identity, no wonder they keep failing. Or is it another operator?
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it's another operator. they run trains from sunderland to kings cross.

A bit of background, about Grand Central . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Railway
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A bit of background, about Grand Central . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Railway
Very interesting, am I right in thinking there was a documentary made about them once?
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