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Old September 30th, 2011, 11:10 AM   #81
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Ambitious plans announced for North East rail network
by Stephen Cape, The Journal, September 30th 2011


BETTER services, improved passenger information and the electrification of lines in the North East are just some of initiatives announced by rail chiefs yesterday.

Described as an initial plan, the programme covers the period 2014 to 2019 with the industry aiming to cut rail costs by £1.3bn a year by the end of the decade.

The “wish list” includes more than 700 extra services a day between cities in the North including Newcastle, Manchester and Liverpool at a cost of £560m.

Assistant Area Director for Norther Rail Richard Allen was optimistic about the future. He said: “Rail services play a vital role in the economic development of the North of England. We also know that they contribute social and environmental benefits. We are committed to working with our industry partners.”

Also being considered is the electrification of hundreds of miles of track across the North Pennines to take in Newcastle, Durham, Darlington, and Middlesbrough.

This would affect routes to Tyneside and Teesside on First TransPennine Express.

Customer Services Director Edith Rodgers said: “This should mean that in future customers will benefit from improved journey times, increased capacity and better travel opportunities.”

She added: “The plans need to be studied in detail to help deliver these enhancements.”


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Old September 30th, 2011, 01:08 PM   #82
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Will be amazing to see them electrify Newcastle, Durham & Darlington!

Seriously though Transpennine going electric is great news and about time too.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 03:58 PM   #83
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Its probably worth bearing in mind that this story is based simply on initial proposals by Network Rail, these will be consulted upon and ultimately the Dept. of Transport will make its own decisions on what will be funded and what will not.

The actual report is here.

Some factors which weigh heavily on the objectives of these proposals include the reduction in the finance costs arising from previous network developments and the anticipated growth of freight to be carried by rail.
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Old October 1st, 2011, 09:11 PM   #84
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Will be amazing to see them electrify Newcastle, Durham & Darlington!

Seriously though Transpennine going electric is great news and about time too.
These stations have been electrified since the early 90s!

Middlesbrough doesn't seem to need electrification for just one TPE service per hour. The gap between York and Leeds should be high priority but then again rolling stock would need to be either cascaded or built to serve the TPE North services.
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Old October 1st, 2011, 10:11 PM   #85
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I know I was being sarcastic, lowest form of wit I know.

If they do electrify the branch lines off the ECML (as they should've done years ago) it would allow the operation of electric services to the likes of Hull and Boro in the future, particularly when capacity if freed up by HS2
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 03:00 PM   #86
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King Edward rail bridge across the Tyne - safety netting

Noticed when passing 02/11/11 that the whole of underside of the bridge had blue safety / debris netting in place






Surely not for just for graffiti removal that was mentioned on this forum a few weeks ago

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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:24 PM   #87
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There have been rumours within the rail industry that Deustch Bahn (who own Arriva, of course) have made an offer for Grand Central - the North East's own open-access rail operator.
While I can't confirm the rumours, they have been developing for a couple of weeks now, a settlement price has been mentioned, and there doesn't appear to have been a denial from either party.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 09:07 PM   #88
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Noticed when passing 02/11/11 that the whole of underside of the bridge had blue safety / debris netting in place

Surely not for just for graffiti removal that was mentioned on this forum a few weeks ago

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The walkways for access are beneath the rail level so it is likely that the netting is there to catch anything that become loose - only work on the Listed Building that I can see currently on the NCC site is the one for the removal of the graffiti.
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Old November 4th, 2011, 01:30 PM   #89
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There have been rumours within the rail industry that Deustch Bahn have made an offer for Grand Central -
Now confirmed:

http://www.arriva.co.uk/arriva/en/me...11/2011-11-04/

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Arriva plc has confirmed it has acquired UK open access operator Grand Central Railway which runs passenger train services between Sunderland and London, and between Bradford/Halifax and London.
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“We firmly believe open access will play a valuable part of a balanced portfolio for our UK Trains division alongside our three franchises and concessions operated on London Overground and the Tyne and Wear Metro.
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Old November 12th, 2011, 07:04 PM   #90
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There is a new Rail Development announced next to Askew Road.
Any more information on this?
Here's a bit more from the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15705759

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Old November 12th, 2011, 07:10 PM   #91
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Evening Chronicle, Wednesday 20th April 2011 . .
Some other info posted on . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=157
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=159

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Old November 13th, 2011, 11:37 AM   #92
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The below post is being discussed on the Tyne & Wear Metro Thread, but I think it will be of interest and relevance to readers of this RAIL Thread also . . .

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A question- in a fit of net searching leading from one thing to the other I eventually stumbled on this;

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s...rs/index.shtml

It seems there was an entire loop down the Walker triangle in ye olde days that I was not aware of.

Why was this just demolished? Was it ever considered to be part of the metro network in the planning stages?
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The excellent main website that the above quoted link comes from is . .

DISUSED STATIONS - CLOSED RAILWAY STATIONS IN THE UK LISTED BY NAME
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/sites.shtml


This site can be accessed via our External Websites Listing Thread at Section 9 (Local Interest) and/or Section 17 (Transport).

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Old November 13th, 2011, 12:02 PM   #93
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Why was this just demolished? Was it ever considered to be part of the metro network in the planning stages?

In a quiick examination of my 1960s/1970s records of the planning for the Metro, I can find no indication of plans for its use.

It is not shown on the earliest of 'planning' Metro Maps either, as shown by the below "extract" from an early post on the Historic Newcastle Thread . .

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The Famous METRO MAP . . .
The evolution of the METRO MAP, from 1969 to the present day.


1 - 1969 (Pre-system opening) the original Tyneside PTE proposed route, from "Rapid Transit for Tyneside" published by Tyneside PTE



2 - 1971 (still pre-opening) and the 'diagramatic' map first appears. NOTE, the station called 'Osborne', in between West Jesmond and Jesmond stations. This map is from 'Public Transport on Tyneside, a Plan for the People', by Tyneside PTE.

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Old November 13th, 2011, 12:19 PM   #94
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A question- in a fit of net searching leading from one thing to the other I eventually stumbled on this;
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s...rs/index.shtml
It seems there was an entire loop down the Walker triangle in ye olde days that I was not aware of.
Why was this just demolished? Was it ever considered to be part of the metro network in the planning stages?
This piece from the site you mentioned explains the situation:

The branch was reprieved in 1964 pending construction of a road between Hadrian Road, Wallsend, and Bewicke Road, Willington Quay. In 1971, after reviewing Tyneside's transport requirements, the PTE decided not to subsidise the Riverside branch under the Terms of the 1968 Transport Act . In mid-1972, the road linking Carville, Point Pleasant, and Willington Quay was built, and closure of the line was again recommended. On 17 April 1973 consent was given on the understanding that replacement bus licences would be obtained by 23 July 1973. It was acknowledged that a moderate amount of hardship would be caused to a small number of passengers owing to increased journey time and road congestion, especially to users of St Peters and Walker stations.

The Riverside Branch was built primarily to service the pasenegr needs of the ship yards and associated industry on the northern bank of the Tyne but as those industries went into decline so did the Branch.

Looking at the population area's around the Branch today it looks like the PTE got that decision right

The original track way is now a public walk way and details can be seen on this leaflet @ http://www.nationaltrail.co.uk/hadri...adriansWay.pdf
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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #95
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15705759

Network Rail to build a maintenance centre in Gateshead.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #96
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The Riverside branch never had that many trains. There was a two hourly service until about 1910, then a hourly one until the early 1940s and thereafter a less regular service.
The Riverside Branch always had a relatively limited service but in later years it was tied to the shifts at the shipyards so the few trains there were were usually heavily loaded. There were also trains that didn't appear in the public timetable. After the closure to passengers part of the line remained open to serve a scrap yard at St Peter's.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 03:34 PM   #97
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Judging from the available data, the option of maintaining the Riverside line was not considered:
http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...=209652&page=5
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http://www.braithwaites.org/aht/abr/...side-map-1.jpg (1962)
http://www.braithwaites.org/aht/abr/...side-map-2.jpg (1969)
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This piece from the site you mentioned explains the situation:

The branch was reprieved in 1964 pending construction of a road between Hadrian Road, Wallsend, and Bewicke Road, Willington Quay. In 1971, after reviewing Tyneside's transport requirements, the PTE decided not to subsidise the Riverside branch under the Terms of the 1968 Transport Act . In mid-1972, the road linking Carville, Point Pleasant, and Willington Quay was built, and closure of the line was again recommended. On 17 April 1973 consent was given on the understanding that replacement bus licences would be obtained by 23 July 1973. It was acknowledged that a moderate amount of hardship would be caused to a small number of passengers owing to increased journey time and road congestion, especially to users of St Peters and Walker stations.

The Riverside Branch was built primarily to service the pasenegr needs of the ship yards and associated industry on the northern bank of the Tyne but as those industries went into decline so did the Branch.

Looking at the population area's around the Branch today it looks like the PTE got that decision right

The original track way is now a public walk way and details can be seen on this leaflet @ http://www.nationaltrail.co.uk/hadri...adriansWay.pdf
I dunno, there's quite a lot of housing down there, keeping the whole 'loop' open would have been a bit much but going part way would have been good.
Not to mention the future- when they finally get around to redeveloping the land that SH is on the area could pick up.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 06:54 PM   #99
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Was talking to a guy from the depot about this one day, and he had started on the railway before the Metro came in. According to him, when the Metro was in planning, there was a long term asperation to include the Riverside branch in future expansion. However, with the economic crises at the time, the original Metro system itself was very lucky to still get the funding, so any expansion plans were put on the back burner.

As the years passed, the industry shut down and there was a perceived lack of demand - low patronage on the BR system (could be down to the low service pattern as well), and it wouldn't have been economical to include it in the Metro system in later years. It would also be hard to justify as part of the line is within a few minutes walk of Wallsend or Hadrian Road stations.

If anyone drives near to the Total garage in Wallsend, look out for the square shaped building behind it - this is the old Carville signal box but without the box on top. Quite remarkable it has survived this long.
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There's another hint of the Walker line's potential for being kept alive to be seen in Byker.
While the trackbed in a cutting running up from the side of Hoults Estate towards Byker is indeed used as a walkway, when it reaches the new Shields Road Bypass, the Bypass was built to include the bridge in this StreetView image; the bridge was built over the route of the former line, and although it was created as a road leading to the rear of Clifford Street Police Station, it was skewed from the road alignment of Dalton Street so that it followed the (former) railway alignment instead.
In fact, there is a hump in the Bypass to accommodate the clearance required from the height of the trackbed.

BTW the nearby junction onto the Walker Branch was at the former Byker Station located on a site that is now Morrison's car park.
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