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Old March 19th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #81
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Does anyone know what is happening on the land opposite the Coach Inn ( site of the former filling station)?
Planning permission was refused a few years ago(2006 I think) and there was some talk of Tree Preservation playing a part. Now there has been some clearance of trees etc. I cannot find any reference to a planning application .
Any one able to help,please?
A few months back I saw the site begin to be cleared, I checked up and like you I found nothing but planning for some tree's to be cleared. The JCB is still on the site.
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Old March 20th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #82
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A few months back I saw the site begin to be cleared, I checked up and like you I found nothing but planning for some tree's to be cleared. The JCB is still on the site.
Thanks.
No one appears to know what is happening at the site. Rumour has it that the site is now owned by a local developer /builder who lives at 82,Forest Hall Road ie adjoining the land. He has had applications for garage extensions on his property turned down,most recently last year.
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No one appears to know what is happening at the site. Rumour has it that the site is now owned by a local developer /builder who lives at 82,Forest Hall Road ie adjoining the land. He has had applications for garage extensions on his property turned down,most recently last year.
I'm sure that when I passed about three weeks ago the site had a sort of cloth type barrier fence around it - mind I was on the way home from the pub
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 06:42 PM   #84
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I'm sure that when I passed about three weeks ago the site had a sort of cloth type barrier fence around it - mind I was on the way home from the pub
Yes the barrier fence is still up and there is a digger on site. No notices about planning applications visible and some clearance has taken place but trees and large bushes on the frontage and at the rear have been left standing.
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Yes the barrier fence is still up and there is a digger on site. No notices about planning applications visible and some clearance has taken place but trees and large bushes on the frontage and at the rear have been left standing.
Had a mosey around there this afternoon to see what was going on behind the barriers on the former Motor Garage site - some shots here.











Also noticed the playground at the back of the site, never been there before and was wondering if it was formerly a quarry? - snap below.


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Old March 25th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #86
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Norgas House in Killingworth set to be demolished
by Sonia Sharma, Evening Chronicle, October 8th 2012


Norgas House is to be flattened and replaced with family homes


IT was built at the height of the swinging sixties – but since then its innovative design has fallen out of fashion. Now this vandal-hit building, which was designed by top Tyneside architects, is to be demolished. Norgas House, built in 1965, has been empty for more than five years and has suffered from criminal damage. The structure, created by Ryder and Yates, has been dubbed an eyesore.

The block in Northumbrian Way, Killingworth, was used as the HQ for the Northern Gas Board and its successor National Grid until it was sold to Prospect Ventures Ltd in early 2010. Now Prospect Ventures wants to knock it down and replace it with 117 homes. The scheme was approved by North Tyneside Council planning committee.

Mark Brooker, senior planner for Storeys Edward Symmons, the Tyneside-based agents for Prospect Ventures, said: “The building is in a dreadful condition. It has suffered vandalism and looks grim.


Read More - http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north...#ixzz28nMZObkF
7years on and Norgas House is now in 2013 being demolished. This shot was the best I could manage, high fences around the site mean camera at full extension of arm and fingers crossed for a half decent shot - taken 25th March 2013.


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Old March 27th, 2013, 01:07 AM   #87
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Had a mosey around there this afternoon to see what was going on behind the barriers on the former Motor Garage site - some shots here.



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Looks as though it was a quarry. I have not been able to find a reference to it nor any old maps that show it as a quarry.

If it was a quarry could it have been the source of the stone for the buildings at the junction of Forest Hall Road /Station Road and the old church?
There was also ,in 1900, a high stone wall boundary around the corner of the site (and the Coach Inn on the other side of the road) that is subject of this item.

Is it a public open space?
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Looks as though it was a quarry. I have not been able to find a reference to it nor any old maps that show it as a quarry.

If it was a quarry could it have been the source of the stone for the buildings at the junction of Forest Hall Road /Station Road and the old church?
There was also ,in 1900, a high stone wall boundary around the corner of the site (and the Coach Inn on the other side of the road) that is subject of this item.

Is it a public open space?
Just found this http://www.tomorrows-history.com/pub...m=15477&flag=C

Extract shows it was Closing Hill Quarry

"old Closing Hill quarry, now a playground. Within the grounds is the site of an almost forgotten experiment in Socialist living. The Clousden Hill Fee Communist and Co-operative Colony was founded by Frank Kapper in 1895 to test the theories of Prince Kropotkin. About twenty people ran a market garden, selling their produce in Newcastle Green Market, and to the Co-operative Society. Following disagreements the colony broke up at the turn of the century, and almost all record of it disappeared. "
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Just found this http://www.tomorrows-history.com/pub...m=15477&flag=C

Extract shows it was Closing Hill Quarry

"old Closing Hill quarry, now a playground. Within the grounds is the site of an almost forgotten experiment in Socialist living. The Clousden Hill Fee Communist and Co-operative Colony was founded by Frank Kapper in 1895 to test the theories of Prince Kropotkin. About twenty people ran a market garden, selling their produce in Newcastle Green Market, and to the Co-operative Society. Following disagreements the colony broke up at the turn of the century, and almost all record of it disappeared. "

Yes, a good find (relevant to this discussion) on an excellent website.

That website is one of those we have listed in our External Websites Listing Thread . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=990561

On that thread (one of the 'Sticky' threads at the top of the forum) it is listed under "T" within Section 09 (Local Interest Websites) as below . . .

TOMORROWS HISTORY - THE REGIONAL LOCAL STUDIES SITE FOR NORTH EAST ENGLAND
http://www.tomorrows-history.com/public_index.php
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Old March 27th, 2013, 12:54 PM   #90
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Yes, a good find (relevant to this discussion) on an excellent website.

That website is one of those we have listed in our External Websites Listing Thread . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=990561

On that thread (one of the 'Sticky' threads at the top of the forum) it is listed under "T" within Section 09 (Local Interest Websites) as below . . .

TOMORROWS HISTORY - THE REGIONAL LOCAL STUDIES SITE FOR NORTH EAST ENGLAND
http://www.tomorrows-history.com/public_index.php
Thanks . It is a very good source for local history.It appears the council tried to sell the area of the quarry a few years ago.

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Old March 27th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #91
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Worth mentioning that Nigel Todd has written a very readable short history of the Clousden Hill commune, called 'Roses and Revolutionists'.
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The Clousden Hill Fee Communist and Co-operative Colony

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Just found this http://www.tomorrows-history.com/pub...m=15477&flag=C

Extract shows it was Closing Hill Quarry

"old Closing Hill quarry, now a playground. Within the grounds is the site of an almost forgotten experiment in Socialist living. The Clousden Hill Fee Communist and Co-operative Colony was founded by Frank Kapper in 1895 to test the theories of Prince Kropotkin. About twenty people ran a market garden, selling their produce in Newcastle Green Market, and to the Co-operative Society. Following disagreements the colony broke up at the turn of the century, and almost all record of it disappeared. "
Very interesting - hadn't heard Clousden Hill mentioned for years.

Found this little snippet @ http://wiki.ic.org/wiki/Clousden_Hill

The colony was started by a group of Kropotkin's followers who wanted to put his theories into practice by forming a 20 acre farming community organised on anarcho-communist lines. Two of the main figures in the foundation of the colony were Frank Kapper and William Key, who had met at a Cooperative Congress, and who claimed to have been influenced by the Owenite, E.T. Craig, who had been a member of Ralahine Commune.

Kapper and Key formulated a prospectus for the new colony which listed its aims. The prospectus combined both the ideas of Robert Owen and those of Kropotkin. It was addressed "To all Friends and Sympathisers of Land Colonisation". (The English Land Colonisation Society had been formed to help resettle unemployed workers and their families in self-sufficient, agrarian communes.)

The objects of the colony were:

1). The acquisition of a common and indivisible capital for the establishment of an Agricultural and Industrial Colony.

2). The mutual assurance of its members against the evils of poverty, sickness, infermity, and old age.

3). The attainment of a greater share of the comforts of life than the working classes now possess.

4). The mental and moral improvement of all its members.

5). The education of the children.

6). To promote or help any organisation to organise similar colonies.

7). To demonstrate the superiority of Free Communist Association as against the Competitive Production of today.

8). To demonstrate the productivity of land under intensive culture.

The ideas of intensive culture of land combined with industry occur in Kropotkin's book, Fields, factories and workshops, and the idea of Mutual Aid is also one developed by Kropotkin. Personal improvement and education are important Owenite ideals.


The community ran an intensively cultivated market-garden on the 20 acres. They were supported by local members of the Cooperative Movement and of the ILP. After internal conflicts, the colony as such came to an end in 1898, but two members carried on the market-gardening as Clousden Hill Cooperative Nurseries until they went bankrupt in 1902.
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Thanks . It is a very good source for local history.It appears the council tried to sell the area of the quarry a few years ago.
The proposal to dispose of the quarry was in 2007 a year after the refusal of planning permission for flats on the corner site.

Link to North Tyneside Council notice

http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/brow...ectCategory=24
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Some where someone wrote the "money quote" about the whole Clousden Hill experiment and its something along the lines of " it failed because the workers did not want to work collectively but they wanted to work their own plot of land individually"

The English tradition of individual liberty right there.
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Some where someone wrote the "money quote" about the whole Clousden Hill experiment and its something along the lines of " it failed because the workers did not want to work collectively but they wanted to work their own plot of land individually"

The English tradition of individual liberty right there.
Perhaps; but another factor was that while the Kropotkinite anarchists at the commune were happy(ish) to work hard, but were joined by Tolstoyan anarchists who believed that they should only work when and if they fancied it.

Plus none of them had much agricultural or horticultural experience.
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Am I right in thinking that Prince Kropotkin visited the region?
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Am I right in thinking that Prince Kropotkin visited the region?
Yes you are correct.

From the Monthly Chronicle of North Country Lore and Legend of January 1890:

1st January 1890 Prince Krapotkine (that's the spelling in the entry) the Russian exile, lectured in the Tyne Theatre, Newcastle, under the auspices of the Tyneside Sunday League Society, on "Problems of the Century", the chair being occupied by Mr Thomas Burt, M.P.
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Just come across this forum and have spent the last couple of hours catching up with all sorts of things North East. This has left me with a couple of questions about my local area (Benton) i know the forumites here will be able to answer.

I live over the road from the DWP on Whitley Road and a few months ago had some correspondence about a new housing development that was proposed. Does anybody know if this is due to go ahead and the exact location?

To begin with i thought it was due to be on the land further down Whitley Road on the other side of the Blue Flames, currently home to some horses. But a neighbor told me that it was in fact the land at the top of the DWP that was up for sale a few years ago.

Also does anybody know what is happening to the former No Frills site or if any plans have been put forward.
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I'm not sure about land near the DWP being used for housing. I do know that the site opposite the former No Frill unit either has a planning application in on it or it will do soon. HAG (Holystone action group) will out on force to stop this from going ahead. I can see that being initially rejected but then going through on the appeal.

As for the former No Frill site itself, I've heard rumours of it being used for industrial units however I don't think any official plans exist yet. My self personally, I think it would be a good idea if XS and Windsors moved to a more central location and that site was developed either as housing or as industrial units. I can't see anyone wanting the No frills site and it seems rather out the way to get to simply for a cheap shoe shop and a bowling alley.
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I do know that the site opposite the former No Frill unit either has a planning application in on it or it will do soon. HAG (Holystone action group) will out on force to stop this from going ahead.
I think they already have been looking at the comments on the planning portal. Of the 57 public comments I could only see 1 that is in support.

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