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Old January 13th, 2015, 03:31 PM   #681
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This is how it was on Remembrance Sunday back in November 2014

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Old January 13th, 2015, 03:50 PM   #682
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I'm not a fan of the greenery outside the ICC in Broadway Malyan proposal. It reminds me a bit of the old green area that used to be in Centenary Square. It was a waste of space because everyone walked around it because had no through paths unlike St Philips Square for example.

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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:10 PM   #683
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The baskerville end of the Broadway proposal is to die for but a dense forest at the symphony hall end isn't working for me as the square doesn't seem to flow. It's as if they designed it in 3 sections that doesn't seem to have much cohesion. I like the atkins idea of the trees but I would hope they could follow the yellow curved line all the way to symphony hall the same way it does at the other end and the middle. The Barton proposal would work better if the hall of memory's positioning was central to the whole square but as it is now, it wouldn't be right. One end of the Broadway proposal, the flow and middle of the atkins proposal would be great but I don't think that any of them have quite got the symphony hall end right yet.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:43 PM   #684
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is there an opportunity to vote on such things?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:05 PM   #685
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The Broadway Malyan proposal reduces pedestrian flow in a number of ways, and isn't something we should be aspiring to for what is clearly being angled as the most prominent of the city's major squares.

The moat at the Eastern end forces people to skirt round to the north, and creates a dead space on the south, bounded by a road, a vertical wall, and an expanse of water. Artistic licence also means railings aren't shown, and the cascade wouldn't be much of a feature, when one considers only passing cars will glimpse it. The moat also fails to address the main entry point to the Hall of Memory (admittedly the existing orientation is poor, but it's no reason to make it worse).

The central section is the only part that addresses the southern side of the square, whereas if this is to be successful the other side of the road must be included entirely. The fountains in this location are also foolish. It's clearly intended to be the main crossing point, but once you get to the 'square' you are confronted by a wall of water jets and forced to skirt around - left into the thicket, or right into the dead space of the moat.

The thicket at the western side removes the open space of the square at present, and again forces people to follow the already existing narrow path east-west past the REP.

With Arena Central to the south, and a view to Sandpits developments, we should be looking at pedestrian lines in a totally different way to what the existing arrangement encourages, and what this proposal only furthers.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:32 PM   #686
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Most proposals seem to get rid of the grass / and planted beds around the amphitheatre, which have only been in place since before the library opened!

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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:56 PM   #687
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atkins easily but i would rather a few less trees in the middle.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:07 PM   #688
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To be honest I was skeptical about the need for a complete overhaul, but those first 2 render, with the completed Arena central and Paradise circus, are certainly world class public spaces.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:09 PM   #689
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The trees need to be in the centre, and water jets in front of the ICC. I like the what they've done with the Hall of Memory in the Broadway Malyan proposal, although it needs to allow people to walk around the south side of it. Overall, I prefer the Atkins proposal.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:04 PM   #690
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They're all dreadful IMO, but then i'm a fan of the Persian Rug and the open space in front of the ICC.

These are consistently grey - dull, dull, dull.

They spoilt the impact of the Persian Rug by putting similar colours and block paving all over the city centre. For me the solution would be to repair the rug but rip out the rest of the crap, thereby making the rug something unique.

They'd be better off spending the money on the bland and tired fašade of the ICC.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #691
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I do really like the fountains coming out of the floor. Given proper maintenance (*cough*NOT LIKE THE FLOOZY*cough*) it could look really good.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:14 PM   #692
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That first one is a yes from me, really quite impressive.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:19 PM   #693
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This is probably going to murder the screen resolution but here they are, side by side:





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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:34 PM   #694
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I like the water feature and bridge in the first one, but as others have said it is not ideal for "traffic flow"

Also, where will they put the wheel and ice rink at Christmas!
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:53 PM   #695
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The top one with the waterfall is awesome imo, maybe a bit less tress by the ICC but otherwise I am all for it!
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #696
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I like the water feature and bridge in the first one, but as others have said it is not ideal for "traffic flow"

Also, where will they put the wheel and ice rink at Christmas!
They'd probably turn off the water jets and put them there.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #697
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I think when the wholesale market sites comes up for redevelopment a big chunk needs to be a public open space, we have a lot of smaller spaces out ones but I think we lack a big statement public space even if this goes ahead

I'm thinking somewhere that can held proper events
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:45 PM   #698
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The top one with the waterfall is awesome imo, maybe a bit less tress by the ICC but otherwise I am all for it!

Agreed, the hall of memory water feature is brilliant. Just hope they can build it so it works, would look awful if it turns out like Floozie. But a big YES for the water feature.
Love the trees too. Not too fussed about the water fountains, the ones in Eastside Park are a massive disappointment. a dozen water spouts doesn't make much of a statement, that said maybe a hundred or more might have a better effect.
The amphitheatre part of the library as not worked out as expected ( majority of the time it is unused and gathering litter and leaves) I would have thought a large spouting fountain here wouldn't go amiss either.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:27 AM   #699
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The waterfall is a nice idea, but it's location next to a busy road junction is not ideal and therefore not sure how much enjoyment and interaction people would get from it.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 10:43 AM   #700
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All these proposals for Centenary Square that have been posted.

What is the time scale for doing this, is it when Paradise and Arena Central and the tram lines have been finished.

If so we could be talking about 2025 or later.

Has any timescale been discussed?
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