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Old October 20th, 2015, 08:12 PM   #81
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St John’s cemetery in Newcastle - Chapel and Main Gate.

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New member, recently found the forum. Remember your name Steve from uk.l.g many moons ago.

Spent the last few days reading many of the threads here and am thrilled to have found the site.

On the above, grew up in the west end - in sight of St Johns. It's an amazing place visually and more importantly to connect us with the stories of the people who lived in the area. Have spent many an afternoon reading the gravestones and memorials. Such a shame its falling into disrepair. The Chapel is in an awful state and really should be rescued, as should the main gate off Grainger Park road.

Remember there was once a house on the west side of the cemetery which was demolished in the late 80's/early 90s. Anyone got any pics?

There is also the burial ground for the pit disaster at Montagu(?) and some incredibly ornate plots.

As for the one off the west road, it is a disgrace that it has been allowed to fall into such a state. I guess most people buried there are long since forgotten but action should be taken to maintain it at a reasonable and respectable standard.
Welcome.

With reference to "The Chapel is in an awful state and really should be rescued, as should the main gate off Grainger Park road."

A couple of pictures taken by myself 31/01/15 on one of my wanders up into the West End





Next time in the area will get further pictures

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St John's Westgate and Elswick Cemetery Volume 1

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New member, recently found the forum. Remember your name Steve from uk.l.g many moons ago.

Spent the last few days reading many of the threads here and am thrilled to have found the site.

On the above, grew up in the west end - in sight of St Johns. It's an amazing place visually and more importantly to connect us with the stories of the people who lived in the area. Have spent many an afternoon reading the gravestones and memorials. Such a shame its falling into disrepair. The Chapel is in an awful state and really should be rescued, as should the main gate off Grainger Park road.

Remember there was once a house on the west side of the cemetery which was demolished in the late 80's/early 90s. Anyone got any pics?

There is also the burial ground for the pit disaster at Montagu(?) and some incredibly ornate plots.

As for the one off the west road, it is a disgrace that it has been allowed to fall into such a state. I guess most people buried there are long since forgotten but action should be taken to maintain it at a reasonable and respectable standard.
Hi John and welcome to the forum, you are among friends as there are a few ex UK.Local.Geordie members here.

I paid a visit to St John's this afternoon, its been years since I was last there. Last time was with Ian Robinson when he was making a recording for BBC Radio Newcastle.

Yes the cemetery is in a bit of a state these days, although to be honest most of that age are. Whilst the grass is regularly cut the headstones leave a lot to be desired, many lying down and some even fenced off for safety reasons. All down to finances of course, onus being on surviving family to maintain the graves and as you say many won't have any members left.

The house doesn't ring a bell - hopefully we will be able to 'dig' something up.

The Northern Gateway is Grade II Listed, this is the protection text courtesy of the British Listed Buildings web site @ http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co...-#.ViaGSWuAm34

Description: St John's Cemetery North Entrance Gates, Piers, Walls and Railings

Grade: II
Date Listed: 17 December 1971
English Heritage Building ID: 304541

OS Grid Reference: NZ2256663857
OS Grid Coordinates: 422566, 563857
Latitude/Longitude: 54.9688, -1.6490

Location: B6328, Newcastle Upon Tyne NE4 6ER

Locality: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Newcastle upon Tyne
Country: England
Postcode: NE4 6ER

NZ 26 SW NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE ELSWICK ROAD (south side)
11/229 St. John's Cemetery
17.12.71 north entrance gates, piers, walls and railings.
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Cemetery gateway, piers, walls and railings. Circa 1856 by Johnstone and Knowles.

Sandstone ashlar and cast iron. Tudor arch, under string and gabled, crocketed parapet, flanked by tall octagonal piers with gabled coping and high octagonal gabled pinnacles; flanking piers to pedestrian gates have gabled coping. Vehicle and pedestrian gates are gothic-traceried and have spearhead standards and dog bars. Rounded coping to quadrant walls with spear-headed railings and low, spiked dog bars. Scroll above entrance inscribed ST. JOHN'S/CEMETERY/ELSWICK/WESTGATE.

Listing NGR: NZ2256663857













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Old October 20th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #83
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St John's Westgate and Elswick Cemetery Volume 2

Its a tragedy that the lodges have been permitted to degenerate. When I was there in 2000 they appeared to be at the very least water tight and fully roofed.

The two lodges are also Grade II Listed, this is the protection text courtesy of the British Listed Buildings web site @ http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co...a#.ViaImWuAm34

Description: Lodges to St John's Cemetery North Entrance

Grade: II
Date Listed: 30 March 1987
English Heritage Building ID: 304542

OS Grid Reference: NZ2257663848
OS Grid Coordinates: 422576, 563848
Latitude/Longitude: 54.9688, -1.6489

Location: B6328, Newcastle Upon Tyne NE4 6ER

Locality: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Newcastle upon Tyne
Country: England
Postcode: NE4 6ER

NZ 26 SW NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE ELSWICK ROAD (south side)
11/230 Lodges to St. John's cemetery north entrance.
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Pair of lodges. Circa 1856; probably by Johnstone and Knowles.

Coursed sandstone rubble with ashlar dressings; Welsh slate roofs with overlapping gable copings. L-plan. One storey, 2 bays to each lodge. Outer bay of each lodge projects under gable. Shouldered arch to door and overlight in extended porch facing street. Shouldered heads to windows; canted bay on left return facing drive. 2 pairs of octagonal chimneys with plinth and coping on west lodge. East Lodge has boarded-up openings and truncated chimneys.

Listing NGR: NZ2257663848

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Old October 21st, 2015, 08:57 AM   #84
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Some trivia: The present boss of Leisure Services began his working career here in the mid-70s. There are a group of prehistoric burials marked a few yards west of the top lodges, but they were probably actually on the prominent knoll three hundred yards south. I remember the west lodge upstairs last being used by a conservation group, but that would be twenty years ago. In the West End there was always a group of summer visiting swifts - perhaps a dozen to fifteen. Last to arrive - first to leave. The popln. was stable for many years but recently has declined. I could never work out where they nested (I never put any energy into finding out and called the nest sites 'somewhere in Grainger Park'). The cem. now seems like a good candidate for their home base in Newcastle but, both last year and this, only one swift has returned. (Presumably the same one). It is possible that building work at the chapels - there has been some - has destroyed nests. There is a small friends of group that are active - certainly they will appreciate help. It is also noticeable that while other sites have been invaded by Japanese knotweed Elswick Cemetery only have isolated plants and those behind a metal fence. The dereliction of the lodges is appalling.
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2015 - Newly Added to the At Risk Register

Reading through the Historic England At Risk North East Summary 2015 these new entries have been added to the register:

Church of St Michael, Westmorland Road, Newcastle upon Tyne
Designed in 1889-91 by the Newcastle practice of Dunn, Hansom and Dunn, St Michael's has a striking octagonal crossing tower, much carved ornament, and a fine collection of internal fittings. There is some water ingress, particularly around the base of the crossing tower and to the north aisle. This is due, in part, to the difficulty of gaining access for maintenance. The slated roof covering to the south aisle is also in poor condition. Funding has been obtained from the Roof Repair Fund to enable a phase of repairs to be undertaken. The attached presbytery is also at risk.



Presbytery attached to St Michael's church, Westmorland Road, Newcastle upon Tyne
A three-storey presbytery, attached to the south-east corner of St Michael's church, with a gabled front, stone walls and slated roofs. The building has not been actively used for some time. Gutters are choked with vegetation, there is some water ingress, and internal cracks adjacent to the end gable wall could indicate structural movement. Many of the external building elements are deteriorating and in need of a comprehensive programme of repairs. Discussions are underway to find a new use for the building. The attached church is also at risk.



Church of St Thomas the Martyr, Barras Bridge, Newcastle upon Tyne
Built to a design by John Dobson in 1827-30, St Thomas’ comprises a west tower with very tall bell openings, an aisled nave with galleries around three sides, and a shallow chancel with north and south porches. The nave and aisles are crowned by stone ribbed plaster vaults supported on slender piers. Externally, the walls are of sandstone ashlar and the roofs are covered with Welsh slate. There is some rainwater ingress, in part due to a longstanding problem with the roof gutter on the north side of the nave which requires renewal.



Church of St Matthew, Summerhill Street, Newcastle upon Tyne
Built in 1877 by the local architect RJ Johnson, with a striking west tower added in 1895 by Hicks & Charlewood. The church has sandstone walls and a roof of plain clay tiles. The interior is tall and spacious with double aisles on either side of the nave. Grant funding from the Heritage Lottery Fund enabled the completion of repairs to the nave and chancel roofs, and rainwater pipes, in 2014. A phased programme of work is being developed to address issues affecting the external stonework.


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St John's Westgate and Elswick Cemetery Volume 3

The Chapels in St John's Cemetery are also included on the Historic England At Risk Register @ http://historicengland.org.uk/images...015-registers/

CONDITION: Generally satisfactory but with significant localised problems
VULNERABILITY: Medium
TREND: Declining
NEW ENTRY?: Yes
OWNER TYPE: Local authority
LIST ENTRY NUMBER: 1000761

A burial board cemetery of 1857 where all three entrance lodge buildings are derelict. The twinned northern entrance lodges and ornate joining arch (all listed grade II) are subsiding, the latter permanently propped. The chapels (grade II) are unused and fenced off although in fair condition. Boundary walls are subsiding. Many monuments are in poor condition, including the Mather Tomb (grade II), which is also fenced-off to prevent further damage. Terraces and steps on Miser Hill are in poor condition and overgrown.

The chapels are Grade II Listed, the protection text from the British Listed Buildings web site @ http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co...r#.VioeWGuAm34

Description: Chapels and Archway in St John's Cemetery

Grade: II
Date Listed: 17 December 1971
English Heritage Building ID: 304543

OS Grid Reference: NZ2252363674
OS Grid Coordinates: 422523, 563674
Latitude/Longitude: 54.9672, -1.6497

Location: St John's Road, Newcastle Upon Tyne NE4 6ER

Locality: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Newcastle upon Tyne
Country: England
Postcode: NE4 6ER

NZ 26 SW NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE ELSWICK ROAD (south side)
11/231 Chapels and archway in St. John's Cemetery.
17.12.71
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Chapels and archway. Circa 1856 by Johnstone and Knowles.

Snecked sandstone with ashlar plinth and dressings; graduated Lakeland slate roofs with overlapping stone gable copings. Archway, with crowning tower, flanked by chapels. Gothic style. 2-centred shafted arch under pinnacled gable with bracketed niche; high octagonal tower with cusped lancets, pierced battlements and corner pinnacles, tall octagonal spire with, lucarnes and pierced bands. Extruded porches have 2-centred-arched doors in inner returns and 2-light windows under pierced parapets. Similar windows in 3-bay chapels and 4-light windows in end gables. Steeply pitched roofs have stone cross finials.

Listing NGR: NZ2252363674

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St John's Westgate and Elswick Cemetery Volume 4

Another Grade II Listed Building in the St John's Westgate and Elswick Cemetery that is at risk is the Mather Tomb - this is the description from the Historic England At Risk Register:

Many monuments are in poor condition, including the Mather Tomb (grade II), which is also fenced-off to prevent further damage.

This is the protection text courtesy of the British Listed Buildings web site @ http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co...-#.ViuVzmtBm35

Description: Mather Tomb in St John's Cemetery

Grade: II
Date Listed: 30 March 1987
English Heritage Building ID: 304544

OS Grid Reference: NZ2243563662
OS Grid Coordinates: 422435, 563662
Latitude/Longitude: 54.9671, -1.6511

Location: 71 St John's Road, Newcastle Upon Tyne NE4 6ER

Locality: Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Newcastle upon Tyne
Country: England
Postcode: NE4 6ER

NZ 26 SW NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE ELSWICK ROAD (south side)
11/232 Mather tomb in St. John's Cemetery.
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Canopied tomb. Circa 1870 for Mather family.

Sandstone ashlar and pink and grey granite. Gothic style. High plinth supports arcaded canopy with much tracery and decoration. Chest tombs of Joseph Mather, died 1863, and members of his family, and of C.T.N. Mather, died 1873. Some tracery damaged, finials missing and tomb copings slightly misplaced at time of survey.

Listing NGR: NZ2243563662

In his book 'Beyond the Grave - Exploring Newcastle's Burial Ground' Alan Morgan describes the tomb as being the most spectacular in the cemetery, covering as it does 18 grave spaces.

Alan's research has shown that William Mather (1787 - 1863) was a builder who became a millionaire when he received an inheritance.













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If they gradually cranked up the pressure on those alloy props, against the gateway, it would slowly right itself and allow careful underpinning. Don't forget the old General Hospital had a burial ground, from the workhouse, and has a couple of refurbished stone chapels.
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If they gradually cranked up the pressure on those alloy props, against the gateway, it would slowly right itself and allow careful underpinning. Don't forget the old General Hospital had a burial ground, from the workhouse, and has a couple of refurbished stone chapels.
Indeed St Nicholas Cemetery on Nuns Moor Road which also has Grade II status, although not on the At Risk Register.

The modern day use of the chapels has been covered on the forum before as can be found via the FORUM INDEX - Newcastle Forum ALPHABETICAL SUBJECT INDEX to factual posts on this forum
thread @ http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1159925
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Thanks - the building work must be nearly finished on the hospital chapels. There are still occasional burials at Elswick Cemetery and an estimated 100,000 internments already. A four thousand year old cemetery!
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All Saints Church

All Saints Church is unfortunately on the Historic England Heritage at Risk Register:

SITE NAME: Church of All Saints, Pilgrim
Street, Newcastle upon Tyne
DESIGNATION: Listed Building grade I, CA
CONDITION: Poor
OCCUPANCY: Vacant/not in use
PRIORITY CATEGORY: C (New entry - re-assessed)
OWNER TYPE: Local authority
LIST ENTRY NUMBER: 1106329

Former church, built between 1786-96 by David Stephenson to replace a medieval church on the same site. Classical style, with baroque tower. All Saints was closed by the Church of England in 1961 and the building was subsequently occupied as an urban studies centre and concert hall before being temporarily in use for worship by a different faith. Recent works have been undertaken to stem the ingress of rainwater; however, further repairs are required. The building has been a victim of heritage crime. Discussions are underway about its future.
Contact: Kate Wilson 0191 269 1221

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According to the Save Newcastle Wildlife group on facebook/twitter the front door to Woolsington Hall has been left open for quite some time. I'm sure Cameron Hall would hate for any accident to befall the Grade 2* listed at risk building in their ownership...
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Iconic Keelmen's Hospital in Newcastle could be revived as 'ethical' hotel
06:30, 29 July 2015 By Tony Henderson


Graham Bell, Director of the North of England Civic Trust outside the Keelman's Hospital on City Road, Newcastle

An at-risk heritage building linked to a colourful part of Tyneside’s past may become one of a new network of “ethical” hotels.

The Keelmen’s Hospital, with its domed tower, overlooking the River Tyne on City Road in Newcastle, is Grade II-star listed, putting it in the top 5% of historic buildings in the country. It was built in 1701, when there were 1,600 keelmen in Newcastle, who played a vital role in the commerce of the river by ferrying loads between ship and shore. They paid a levy to build the hospital which offered care for their orphans, widows and infirm beneficiaries.

But the city council-owned building, last used as student accommodation, has been empty for several years and has been placed on Historic England’s At Risk register.

And now, a partnership between the Methodists and the North of England Civic Trust have been given Ł10,000 by the Heritage Lottery Fund to explore options for the re-use of the building. One of the proposals to be explored is to develop the hospitality and caring history of the building by turning it into an ethical hotel. It would follow The Wesley Hotel in London, which has Methodist roots and is the first social enterprise hotel in the UK. It is hoped to develop a network of such hotels, of which Newcastle – once a Methodist stronghold - could be part.

Trust director Graham Bell said: “This project is a story of revival. It aims to revive the fortunes of a building that is hugely symbolic but vulnerable, raise the historical profile of the keelmen as a mainstay of the economy, society and culture of Newcastle and revive the significance of the Wesleys to the keelmen, Newcastle and Britain, reminding people of its important story of the ethical principles and relationships in society, from almshouses to the Wesleys to a modern-day approach to hospitality.”

Read more @ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...-could-9744297
Hopefully the plans for the restoration of the Keelmen's Hospital are not too far off.

Took a look at the building, 16th November 2015 and was surprised at the lack of maintenance on the clock tower. The paintwork is looking very tired but the lack of application to the wooden clock face appears to be putting it in danger?












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Woolsington Hall in Newcastle damaged by blaze on Tuesday night

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Woolsington Hall in Newcastle damaged by blaze on Tuesday night
30 Dec 2015 By Barbara Hodgson



Firefighters were today still at Newcastle’s Woolsington Hall after a fire broke out at the Grade ll-listed building on Tuesday night.

At its height seven appliances attended the fire at the country house which sits in a 92-acre estate in Woolsington village and has been on English Heritage’s “at risk” register since 2002.

At 9.20pm on Tuesday, Tyne & Wear Fire and Rescue Service reported it was dealing with a large fire and had several pumps in attendance. A spokesman later said: “We are dealing with quite a substantial fire in Woolsington Hall

Firefighters were today still at Newcastle’s Woolsington Hall after a fire broke out at the Grade ll-listed building on Tuesday night.

On Wednesday morning the service tweeted the fire has been downgraded but two appliances would remain at the scene,

Read more and see video @ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...blaze-10664818
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It's refreshing that in the festive season provision can be made to ensure that the naughty tramps have somewhere to gainfully occupy themselves and stay warm...I'd noticed that the centre of the city has been relatively smoke free recently.
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Part of Newcastle's Grey Street among 300 North East buildings said to be 'at risk'
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Even for the Chronic that story was junk, not least because it neglects to tell us which bits of Grey st that we might expect the naughty tramps to come and warm their hands in - which given the headline it might not be unreasonable to expect to be covered in the story.

In fact it's a press release for a Princes Trust event at the live theater topping and tailing an epic section of clickbait.
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Even for the Chronic that story was junk, not least because it neglects to tell us which bits of Grey st that we might expect the naughty tramps to come and warm their hands in - which given the headline it might not be unreasonable to expect to be covered in the story.

In fact it's a press release for a Princes Trust event at the live theater topping and tailing an epic section of clickbait.
I think the word you're looking for is theatre.
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I think the word you're looking for is theatre.
Qwite rite.. the lousy standards of the Chronic must be having a corrosive effect. It's even causing problems with SSC* which flags the US spelling as correct and the UK one as incorrect.

*For the sake of absolute pedantry it may be Chrome rather than SSE, I'm unsure if the spell check is in the SSC site or in Chrome itself.
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Qwite rite.. the lousy standards of the Chronic must be having a corrosive effect. It's even causing problems with SSC* which flags the US spelling as correct and the UK one as incorrect.

*For the sake of absolute pedantry it may be Chrome rather than SSE, I'm unsure if the spell check is in the SSC site or in Chrome itself.
Answering this one here rather than the Admin thread for continuity - Skyscrapercity (SSC) does not have a spell check facility, so its come from your browser.

Not quite sure what Southern Scottish Energy (SSE) has to do with anything
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