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Old August 10th, 2015, 01:05 PM   #61
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Forth Banks apartment planners criticised for letting developers out of £1m owed to city

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Forth Banks apartment planners criticised for letting developers out of £1m owed to city
11:30, 10 August 2015 By Kate Proctor

Planners have been taken to task for allegedly short-changing the city out of at least £1m by not driving a harder bargain with developers.

Bosses behind hundreds of new homes at Forth Banks in Newcastle have offered up £600,000 to go towards affordable housing, transport and green space. Yet council papers reveal developer Panacea Property Developments Newcastle should have paid much more. The true sum owed to the council is nearer £1.8m, according to planning committee member and Labour councillor John Stokel-Walker, however this has been capped by the authority at £1.7m.

Newcastle City Council’s planning department say that finances have been closely scrutinised in accordance with national guidelines and the decision to accept £600,000 from Panacea is correct - however the decision was deferred following councillors’ serious concerns. The planning committee had met on Friday to vote for or against the scheme, however councillors agreed they were unhappy at the £600,000 contribution and wanted to see more financial information from planning officers.

Coun Stokel-Walker, who represents the Walker ward, said: “I’m perturbed about this. Property services have scrutinised this financial information that has been submitted. It worries me that at times where we are talking these huge cuts we aren’t taking advantage of £1.8m that we should be. The £600,000 contribution would build about six houses, which is not a lot.”

For a development of 280 homes, Panacea should have contributed £240,000 towards open spaces in the city, £500,000 for transport and a15% affordable housing contribution, which runs to £1.1m. They have also requested not to build any affordable homes on the site but instead contribute to an unknown scheme elsewhere in the city, because they say renting out 42 flats at affordable rates would mean the whole project wouldn’t be viable. The proposed development of land at Pottery Bank and Forth Banks includes three residential apartment blocks between seven and nine storeys tall, which will house 280 one to three-bedroom flats for private rent. They will not be available for sale.

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Old August 21st, 2015, 04:33 PM   #62
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Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane

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week beginning 9/3/2015 on Newcastle planning portal ref 2015/0315/01/ det. planning application for 260 apartments in three blocks 7-9 storeys
looks nothing like previous render posted and quite a large development. cheers

2015/0315/01/DET | Erection of 7/9 storey residential development (3 blocks) comprising of 280 apartments (Class C3) retail unit (Class A1/A3) associated car parking, cycle storage, access, hard and soft landscaping following demolition of existing building | Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane Newcastle upon Tyne

Reference 2015/0315/01/DET
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Application Received Fri 20 Feb 2015
Application Validated Wed 11 Mar 2015
Address Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane Newcastle upon Tyne
Proposal Erection of 7/9 storey residential development (3 blocks) comprising of 280 apartments (Class C3) retail unit (Class A1/A3) associated car parking, cycle storage, access, hard and soft landscaping following demolition of existing building
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This planning application is on the agenda for discussion at the Planning Committee of 28th August 2015 with a recommendation from the City Officers for a grant.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 05:03 PM   #63
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Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane

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forth banks and pottery lane,
week beginning 9/3/2015 on Newcastle planning portal ref 2015/0315/01/ det. planning application for 260 apartments in three blocks 7-9 storeys
looks nothing like previous render posted and quite a large development. cheers

2015/0315/01/DET | Erection of 7/9 storey residential development (3 blocks) comprising of 280 apartments (Class C3) retail unit (Class A1/A3) associated car parking, cycle storage, access, hard and soft landscaping following demolition of existing building | Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane Newcastle upon Tyne

Reference 2015/0315/01/DET
Alternative Reference PP-03892463
Application Received Fri 20 Feb 2015
Application Validated Wed 11 Mar 2015
Address Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane Newcastle upon Tyne
Proposal Erection of 7/9 storey residential development (3 blocks) comprising of 280 apartments (Class C3) retail unit (Class A1/A3) associated car parking, cycle storage, access, hard and soft landscaping following demolition of existing building
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This planning application is on the agenda for discussion at the Planning Committee of 28th August 2015 with a recommendation from the City Officers for a grant.
Outcome from today's Planning Committee Meeting was - Minded to grant planning permission subject to a section 106 agreement and conditions
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Old August 28th, 2015, 05:57 PM   #64
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Strange wording, so it is effectively granted so long as a contribution is made for s106? Have the details of the s106 been announced?

Anyway, pleased this has been granted. Hope it progresses quickly.
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Strange wording, so it is effectively granted so long as a contribution is made for s106? Have the details of the s106 been announced?.
Might be mentioned in the full minutes when they are produced but given the Chron article posted a few days ago, Newcastle City Council may just be a little touchy on the subject of the s106 on this proposed development.The press and public may have been asked to leave the meeting during these discussions under section 100A and Schedule 12A Local Government Act 1972 because exempt information is likely to be disclosed and the public interest test against disclosure is satisfied.

From what I've seen it is quite common for permission to be withheld pending full s106 agreement.
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Go-ahead for Newcastle PRS scheme

From today's The Insider Media Limited @ http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/...tle-prs-scheme
Go-ahead for Newcastle PRS scheme
29 September 2015

Plans to build one seven-storey and two nine-storey properties comprising a total of 280 private rented sector (PRS) apartments just outside Newcastle city centre have been approved.

Panacea Property Development's Forth Banks scheme is located close to the city's Central Station and adjacent to the Stephenson Quarter. It represents the city's first PRS development built specifically for the private rental market. The three apartment blocks will contain a mix of one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments with 111 apartments in block one, 114 apartments in block two and 55 apartments in block three. The scheme will also be supported by a 3,000 sq ft retail unit located on the ground floor of block one.

Neil Patten from Panacea Property Development said: "The Forth Banks scheme is a marker for Newcastle City Council to demonstrate support for PRS. The scheme will not only provide the catalyst for further private investment into the city but will also improve the existing range of accommodation that is available to young professionals and graduates, attracting in the region of 512 residents into the city centre generating additional economic benefits."

The Forth Banks scheme is expected to start on site in the first quarter of 2016.

Zerum acted as planning adviser to Panacea Property Development. Leach Rhodes Walker is the architect for the scheme.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 12:06 PM   #67
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Why do the Chronic keep saying 'just outside the city centre on Forth Banks'??? It's in the city centre isn't it? I mean it's closer to the centre than say the arena and the the centre for life is at the top of the street- always 'in the city centre'- it's just one of those really annoying things with the Chronic. They have probably copied and pasted from the architects web site who wouldn't know whether it was in the city centre or not.
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Why do the Chronic keep saying 'just outside the city centre on Forth Banks'??? It's in the city centre isn't it? I mean it's closer to the centre than say the arena and the the centre for life is at the top of the street- always 'in the city centre'- it's just one of those really annoying things with the Chronic. They have probably copied and pasted from the architects web site who wouldn't know whether it was in the city centre or not.

Yes, the local media these days (and I include the 'traffic reports' on BBC Newcastle in this) often sound and write like they are doing it "remotely" from outside the area. Their 'form of words' indicates this quite obviously at times.

Often, they seem like they have never been here, their lack of awareness and specific knowledge of where things are, is appalling.

This discussion, if it continues, will be moved to the Media thread, but is relevant to this thread ('Forth Banks') at the moment.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #69
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Hundreds of flats to be built in Newcastle city centre's 'coolest quarter'

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Why do the Chronic keep saying 'just outside the city centre on Forth Banks'??? It's in the city centre isn't it? I mean it's closer to the centre than say the arena and the the centre for life is at the top of the street- always 'in the city centre'- it's just one of those really annoying things with the Chronic. They have probably copied and pasted from the architects web site who wouldn't know whether it was in the city centre or not.
The article quoted was from The Insider Media Limited and not the Chronicle - just setting the situation right

This s what the Chronicle Live are reporting in their edition today, copyright NCJMedia Ltd @ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...-city-10161934
Hundreds of flats to be built in Newcastle city centre's 'coolest quarter'
30 Sep 2015 By Will Metcalfe


An artist's impression of apartment blocks set to be built on land at Pottery Lane and Forth Banks in Newcastle creating 280 homes for rent

Proposals for almost 300 new flats near Newcastle’s Stephenson Quarter have been given the go-ahead.

The scheme will be the latest step in the redevelopment of an area once filled by workshops with the nearby Stephenson Quarter in full swing and a new city centre police station opened opposite the site last year.

The development includes three residential apartment blocks between seven and nine storeys tall, which will house 280 one to three-bedroom flats for private rent. They will not be available for sale. The three apartment blocks will contain a mix of one, two and three bedroom apartments with 111 apartments in block one, 114 apartments in block two and 55 apartments in block three.

A report to the committee said: “Overall the redevelopment of this site for residential purposes would be in accordance with a number of core planning principles and assist in delivering the 19,000 new homes required by 2030.” It is believed the city centre site would also help reduce the number of people driving to work as well as redeveloping a brownfield site. The report added: “The proposed PRS scheme would unlock an existing brownfield site which would assist in the regeneration of an existing areas of former employment land. The high-quality scheme would make a positive contribution to the local area and would preserve the setting of the existing listed building.”

The site was once a hive of industry with part of the site originally occupied by a pottery from the 18th century onwards and the Skinnerburn Foundry or Iron Works and the development will see the existing workshop buildings on the site demolished.

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It'll be interesting to see what happens with this one. Even 100 flats coming on to the market is quite a lot for the city centre.
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Wouldn't fancy facing west- that photo has a lovey big balcony looking over the derelict land along pottery lane. I guess you could play spot the bloke having some man on man action along there! Or maybe with the Police Station so close maybe that sort thing doesn't go on along there anymore- even so- still not great view is it towards to ugly arena as well.
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Work has started, red paint sprayed onto the Pottery Lane side of "Pit Stop Building"

"No Parking Demolition 13/10/15"

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Old October 13th, 2015, 02:19 PM   #73
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I'd potentially be interested in renting a place there myself if it wasn't too expensive, although I'm guessing there will be no provision for parking which would be a downside certainly.
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7/9 storey residential development (3 blocks) at Forth Banks/Pottery Lane - pictures 15/10/15

Scheme

2015/0315/01/DET

Erection of 7/9 storey residential development (3 blocks) comprising of 280 apartments (Class C3) retail unit (Class A1/A3) associated car parking, cycle storage, access, hard and soft landscaping following demolition of existing building

Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane Newcastle upon Tyne

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https://publicaccessapplications.new...=NK2V80BSHS000


Pictures by myself from Thursday 15/10/15 approx 1045 showing Thompsons of Prudhoe site fence & signs in place and removal of existing scaffold on Forth Banks elevation taking place











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Scheme

2015/0315/01/DET

Erection of 7/9 storey residential development (3 blocks) comprising of 280 apartments (Class C3) retail unit (Class A1/A3) associated car parking, cycle storage, access, hard and soft landscaping following demolition of existing building

Land At Forth Banks/Pottery Lane Newcastle upon Tyne

Reference 2015/0315/01/DET

https://publicaccessapplications.new...=NK2V80BSHS000


Pictures by myself from Thursday 15/10/15 approx 1045 showing Thompsons of Prudhoe site fence & signs in place and removal of existing scaffold on Forth Banks elevation taking place











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I know these buildings are a bit ugly but they have a wealth of history behind them and I for one will be sorry to see them go.
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Forth Bank Demolition - 20th October 2015 - Volume 1

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I know these buildings are a bit ugly but they have a wealth of history behind them and I for one will be sorry to see them go.
Never good to see any historical buildings being demolished but not sure that these have much in the way of 'merit'. They are in a dilapidated state of repair and having witnessed the start of the demolition today there wasn't much holding them together.

Its interesting to read what Jennifer Morrison, Tyne and Wear Archaeology Officer, said within her ARCHAEOLOGY COMMENTS within the planning documents @ https://publicaccessapplications.new...=NK2V80BSHS000

The south-west part of the site was occupied by a pottery from the 18th century. This was destroyed by fire in 1758.

In 1787 the Skinner Burn Pottery was in operation.

In 1862 it is recorded as The Newcastle Pottery. It was demolished between 1879 and 1896. A small length of stone wall on Cookson’s Lane may relate to the pottery.

The other industrial archaeological feature within the site is Skinnerburn Foundry or Iron Works. This was in operation from at least 1830. In 1899 the buildings were largely rebuilt for Robert Henzell’s Northern Oil Company, where oil was stored, blended and distributed. The buildings on the Forth Banks frontage still survive.

Part of the site was taken over by the Co-operative Wholesale Society Ltd who used it= for the storage of cattle. Their warehouse still survives. The eastern side of the warehouse was converted into offices sometime after 1927 and later still used for residential accommodation.

Warehouse No 1
Part of Skinnerburn Foundry, late 19th century in date. Red brick, south-west elevation has been rendered. Two doors on Pottery Lane, one with a stone surround, lintel and steps. A boundary wall of 1862 abuts the warehouse. A row of side-hung casement dormer windows and a matching casement with supporting canopy on the gable end have been inserted. The windows are framed by ornate timber corbels carved with fruit and leaves., which look historic. However these features are surprisingly less than 30 years old. They are not present on photos taken in the early 1980s. The interior contains elements of earlier sheds shown on mapping of 1862 and 1896. The roof covering is modern. The first floor level to the north-east was probably originally offices. A 19th century newel post and balustrade survive.

Warehouse No 2
Part of the Northern Oil Company, absorbing parts of the earlier Iron Works of 1899. Red brick. On Forth Banks there is a double width door under a round arch of brick headers. Masonry quoin door surround. Segmental arched windows to either side. Single width door under a masonry pediment on console brackets is a later insertion. Square loading door on south-west elevation. Inside the ground floor is surrounded by a first floor gallery on timber columns. There are various arched doorways inside. Upstairs fireplaces, skirting boards and a ceiling rose survive in the office space. South-west of the gallery, a partial second floor is supported on cast iron columns. A hoist system survives and a probable electric pump. The roof trusses are of king-post design. The roof covering is modern.

Warehouses 3 and 4
These buildings were in an unsafe condition. Part of Iron Works, later Northern Oil Company. Warehouse 3 is brick, three storeys, with four blocked windows and a rectangular recess covered with painted tiles. The base at the rear is stone-built (possibly part of the iron works). Warehouse 4 is also brick. The roof structure has collapsed inwards.

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very sad to see the old warehouses go but excited to see the development of the apartments which are going to bring the area alive
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Some nice features on the warehouses but they're in a pretty shocking state overall. Doesn't look like they'll be there much longer judging by the progress shown in Steve's last photo.
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Some nice features on the warehouses but they're in a pretty shocking state overall. Doesn't look like they'll be there much longer judging by the progress shown in Steve's last photo.
yes, but if they had been looked after and maintained over the years . . .
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