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Old April 2nd, 2007, 01:51 PM   #1
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ST. JAMES' PARK - for NUFC-related "Off the field", "Stadium" and "Historical" issues

Newcastle plot £300m ground plan
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Plans would see the capacity of St James' Park rise from 52,000
Newcastle United have unveiled plans for a £300m development of St James' Park that will take the capacity at the stadium to at least 60,000.

The plans include a major conference centre, hotels and luxury apartments that the club are hoping will lead to the creation of 1,500 jobs.

"What we are proposing is something not just for the football club," said chairman Freddy Shepherd.

"But it is for the whole city and the people of Newcastle."

The Number 1 St James' Park project, as it has been described by the club, will be funded completely independently of the football club's revenues.

Glenn Roeder's team are 11th in the Premiership but the plans will not affect any cash set aside for transfers this summer.

An application has yet to be submitted to planning chiefs and the project will take the form of a three-phase programme.

The first development stage would see a 140-bedroom hotel complex build on the site of the former Magpies Supporters' Club with a second hotel also in the blueprint.

Phase two will involve superior apartments behind the Leazes End of the stadium while the scheme will be completed by a purpose-built conference centre.

Development within St James' itself would take place at the Gallowgate End.
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 02:26 PM   #2
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NEWCASTLE United today announced plans for a bold £300m three-phase development including a major conference centre, hotels and luxury apartments at St. James' Park that could trigger a 1,500 jobs bonanza.

And the Magpies are also pushing ahead with a move to expand the stadium to a minimum of 60,000 to maintain their place as one of Europe's leading clubs.

Funding for the Number 1 St. James' Park project will be completely independent of the football club's revenues.

The building of a major conference centre capable of holding top class events would be both the pinnacle of regeneration of the land around the stadium and a major attraction for the city.

New jobs, both in construction and ongoing hotel and leisure employment, would also be hugely welcome.

A planning application is in the process of being submitted for Phase One of the development, which would be the creation of a 140-bedroom hotel complex on the site of the old Magpie Supporters Club, land acquired by Newcastle United some time ago.

St. James' Park, already chosen as a football venue for the 2012 Olympic Games, is also set to become one of the most sought after addresses in Newcastle as the club also plans another hotel - to include "one of the very best names" in that field - to enhance the stadium and its surrounds.

Superior apartments will also be created in Phase Two of this development, to the rear of the Leazes End, and the new residents of Number 1 St. James' Park will be able to enjoy superb views of the Victorian splendour of the newly renovated Leazes Park and lake.

Arsenal's move to the Emirates Stadium and Manchester United's expansion work at Old Trafford have not gone unnoticed by Newcastle United, nor have plans by other Premiership rivals for stadium developments.

The Magpies are determined that St. James' Park will remain one of the largest grounds and a 60,000-seater capacity is a minimum target for a club backed by the most loyal and passionate supporters in the game.

The expansion work would come at the Gallowgate End, and the club also have plans to develop the land above St. James' Metro station.

Whilst the previously announced casino plans for that site still hinge on a Government decision, and the club has shown patience following their joint venture with MGM Grand, the pinnacle of the development would be a purpose-built conference centre which would make St. James' Park's Conference and Banqueting operation the largest in the north.

Added to that would be another "Finest Hotel" brand to meet the demand for a new luxury hotel category in the city and further luxury apartments.

All of the outlined plans are subject to approval from Newcastle City Council.

When completed, the whole development will significantly enhance the approach to St. James' Park from St. James' Boulevard and stand as a bold statement to mark the city council's regeneration vision.

Chairman Freddy Shepherd said: "What we are proposing is something not just for the football club, but for the whole city and the people of Newcastle.

"Having a conference centre would enable Newcastle to attract top events in all fields, and the whole project will stand as a monument to the vibrant development of the city in the new millennium."
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 03:20 PM   #3
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Good news

Always nice to see 60k+ stadiums in the UK. Maybe it is a reaction to Stanley park.


I must say, the best way for Newcastle to become one of the leading teams in Europe, is to simply buy top quality defenders
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 03:50 PM   #4
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In 10 years we have gone from only 1 or 2 60,000+ seater grounds in the UK to quite a number and with even more proposed.
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 04:04 PM   #5
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Not sure exactly which part of the scheme these are of but I'll post them anyway.







And this is what the stadium may look like with the Gallowgate End expanded up to the same level as the Leazes End and Milburn Stand, looks a bit like a bigger and better version of Celtic Park, Glasgow.

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Not sure exactly which part of the scheme these are of but I'll post them anyway.





Presumably that's the development over the Metro station that the article mentions.
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 05:06 PM   #7
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not sure about that CharlieP. The triangular building is on a site opposite St. James Park, on the other side of Barrack Road. It used to house the fans club a decade or so ago. The Square building - i don't know what that is, but the apartment block is going up at the Leazes end, that's the other side of the ground to the Metro Station.
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 05:46 PM   #8
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Ah, hang on a sec:

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Phase One of the development, which would be the creation of a 140-bedroom hotel complex on the site of the old Magpie Supporters Club
Where's that then?
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I think it is like this, phases 1 and 2 in red with the Gallowgate Expansion in green. Not sure where the convention centre would be, but the club also owns the carpark in yellow and has some other plans for there (was a proposed site for the supercasino but that is dead in the water). Perhaps the Convention Centre would be here, or simply as part of the ground expansion.
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Looks like Celtic Park. The small stand is horrible, though.
Would be good to see more large stadia in Britian.
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 09:31 PM   #11
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I can see the small stand being redeveloped like that stand in south america with a stack of eaecutive boxes above one tier, so it doesn't affect the houses at the back! I think that'd be very feasible
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I think it is like this, phases 1 and 2 in red with the Gallowgate Expansion in green. Not sure where the convention centre would be, but the club also owns the carpark in yellow and has some other plans for there (was a proposed site for the supercasino but that is dead in the water). Perhaps the Convention Centre would be here, or simply as part of the ground expansion.
Presumably the new stand will match those at the North and West, so will have a deeper footprint - I imagine Strawberry Place will have to be re-routed along with any underground utilities, though there's obviously plenty of room to do that...
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 10:36 PM   #13
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From Property Week.

Newcastle United unveils £300m plans

Newcastle United FC today unveiled plans a for £300m hotel and conference centre development around its St James’ Park ground.


02.04.2007

By Anna Hodgekiss

The Premier League club said funding for ‘Number 1 St James’ Park’, would be independent of the football club’s revenues and could lead to the ground’s capacity rising from 52,400 to a minimum of 60,000.

The club said it was submitting a planning application for the first phase, which would involve building a 140-room hotel complex.

Phase two would cover the building of what the club called ‘superior apartments’, while the focus of the development will be a purpose-built conference centre.

The ground expansion would come at the Gallowgate End and follows developments at other Premier League clubs.

‘Arsenal’s move to the 60,000-seater Emirates Stadium and Manchester United’s expansion work to 76,000 at Old Trafford have not gone unnoticed by Newcastle United,’ the club said in a statement.
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Old April 4th, 2007, 12:35 AM   #14
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I wonder what they will do about the metro station?
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I with the london guy i think they should buy some good defenders!
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Old April 5th, 2007, 02:45 PM   #16
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Why would Newcastle want to expand to 60,000?

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm


shows attendances are down 3.2% to 50,364.

If the team is not currently playing to capacity then is it wise to spend money on the ground before you spend it on better players?

A bit chicken & egg no doubt but 50,000 in a 60,000 capacity ground will look a bit Macum?
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the thing is the attendances have been down in the away end as opposed to the home end from experience of going there or walking passed. a lot of away teams arent filling that top away corner anymore, definately less than they use to any road up.
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Why would Newcastle want to expand to 60,000?

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm


shows attendances are down 3.2% to 50,364.

If the team is not currently playing to capacity then is it wise to spend money on the ground before you spend it on better players?

A bit chicken & egg no doubt but 50,000 in a 60,000 capacity ground will look a bit Macum?
a bit short-sighted that. the ground expansion would probably take another 5 or so years anyway so simply focusing on the current shambles make no sense. this is a long term decision based on the fact that it would be incredibly difficult to redevelop the ground after property developments on Gallowgate are completed. it's now or never, sort of.
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a bit short-sighted that. the ground expansion would probably take another 5 or so years anyway so simply focusing on the current shambles make no sense. this is a long term decision based on the fact that it would be incredibly difficult to redevelop the ground after property developments on Gallowgate are completed. it's now or never, sort of.
I am trying to tread carefully here...are not Newcastle at their historic high-point right now?

The current `shambles' actually representing their historic high-point in both league position terms and crowd attendances.

bar the London clubs (massive market) and Manchester United will there be a demand for these stadiums across the country...ALL the new build stadiums have been substantially below capacity...Bolton, City, Reading, Wigan......I fear some clubs are talking up their actual attraction and we may well see another Leeds United/ Chelsea (pre Roman) situation developing.

Arsenal had highly valuable land to sell to finance their grandiose schemes (and may yet suffer)....Liverpool, Newcastle are talking about £200-£300m investments with little to proove their viability.

Unless Roman dumps Chelsea or Utd go bananas will clubs be able to close the 20point gap in the league tables, play attractive football AND bring the crowds in to fill these stadiums?

Liverpool's attendances have slipped by over 1% as well...can it all be explained by the away fans? Do cup attendances show the true picture of a club's fan base? Not to say new fans may come along, but with £30+ ticket prices is this realistic?

52,000 at St.James' is good enough until the debts are cleared and some stability is returned...on at least a couple of occassions Newcastle have looked a potential relagation team over the last couple of years...historically not rare for them...get the bank balance back to postive and then you spend!
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I am trying to tread carefully here...are not Newcastle at their historic high-point right now?

The current `shambles' actually representing their historic high-point in both league position terms and crowd attendances.
No. We're miles off where we were even under Robson. We haven't won anything for decades and decades and still put much more successful clubs to shame in terms of crowds. Attendance is down slightly this season after putting up with three years of Souness and Roeder. Two ridiculous appointments that have set us back quite a bit, even flirting with relegation this season and could be in a serious danger if we don't win soon. Taking that into account, we had the highest or 2nd highest percentage of seats filled last season, 99.97% or something stupid like that. I don't think we'd fill 60,000 week-in, week-out as it is, probably only for 4 or 5 matches a season, but i think if we were a little more successful it would be possible to achieve that regularly.

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bar the London clubs (massive market) and Manchester United will there be a demand for these stadiums across the country...ALL the new build stadiums have been substantially below capacity...Bolton, City, Reading, Wigan......I fear some clubs are talking up their actual attraction and we may well see another Leeds United/ Chelsea (pre Roman) situation developing.

Arsenal had highly valuable land to sell to finance their grandiose schemes (and may yet suffer)....Liverpool, Newcastle are talking about £200-£300m investments with little to proove their viability.

Unless Roman dumps Chelsea or Utd go bananas will clubs be able to close the 20point gap in the league tables, play attractive football AND bring the crowds in to fill these stadiums?

Liverpool's attendances have slipped by over 1% as well...can it all be explained by the away fans? Do cup attendances show the true picture of a club's fan base? Not to say new fans may come along, but with £30+ ticket prices is this realistic?

52,000 at St.James' is good enough until the debts are cleared and some stability is returned...on at least a couple of occassions Newcastle have looked a potential relagation team over the last couple of years...historically not rare for them...get the bank balance back to postive and then you spend!
the money is being privately funded by investors, independent from the club's revenue and will have no impact on transfer funds. the £300m figure is in reference to hotels, apartments, offices and a convention centre, all slap bang in Newcastle city centre. These developments are going to be built regardless and will encroach on the ground making it almost impossible to expand in the future. if we don't expand the ground at the same time, the chance may well be gone, forever.

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