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Old November 4th, 2009, 04:15 PM   #21
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Seems like an inaccurate outline to me. For instance, why is the north side of Westgate Road included?
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Old November 4th, 2009, 04:18 PM   #22
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Seems like an inaccurate outline to me. For instance, why is the north side of Westgate Road included?
I thought it looked 'odd' (if correct we would be in for some more demolitions!) but the location that it is from (the "1 NG" Website) should (?) be a reliable source, I would have thought . .
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Old November 4th, 2009, 04:30 PM   #23
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^ I remember when the council was doing consultation though, they used a similar map and said, after local residents got worried, that it was just indicative of the general area. i highly doubt they'd even attempt to demolish the Georgian north side of westgate road.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 05:06 PM   #24
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Old November 4th, 2009, 05:21 PM   #25
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yep, it's just designed to show the broad outline of the site rather than go down to individual boundaries of each property
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Old January 12th, 2010, 03:52 PM   #26
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Just a small bit of information from the Newcastle Science City website..

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Construction is scheduled to begin on the site in early 2012
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Old January 12th, 2010, 03:55 PM   #27
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2 years untill construction starts?

This isn't going so well, I surpose in that time, we should be able to find good blue chip science/research companies to locate/relocate to the city though.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 04:05 PM   #28
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I wonder if it would have been better to sell the site to a developer (IE Downing Plaza idea) and forget the whole "this area is focused on science" attitude. Because the way this is going its East Pilgrim Street 2.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 04:13 PM   #29
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An interesting article I found which states the aims for Science City by 2010:

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* 5,000 new science-based jobs by 2010

* 250 new science businesses by 2015

* 15,000 further jobs indirectly created by 2015

* Make Newcastle competitive in specialist fields on a global scale with the likes of Silicon Valley, Shanghai and Singapore

* At least equal the best areas in Europe for the development of technology-based business by 2010

* Put the city in the top five location in the UK for science participation and achievement in schools by 2010
http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-e...1634-15709339/
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Old January 12th, 2010, 06:32 PM   #30
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I wonder if it would have been better to sell the site to a developer (IE Downing Plaza idea) and forget the whole "this area is focused on science" attitude. Because the way this is going its East Pilgrim Street 2.
Agreed, because it doesn't seem like anyone is actually interested in taking a place on the site. I don't think it's a case of "build it and they will come" either. They shouldn't exclude other sorts of business than science.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 06:58 PM   #31
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I personally think that if there's any way of delivering a world-class centre for scientific research in the city, we should push for it. With Newcastle University involved, we already have some top level research bodies to build upon so it should be realistic. It'd certainly be more beneficial to the city than yet another office development to compete with all of the existing office space we already have, along with a bit more housing.

And I'd also avoid selling it to a developer. As things stand we have a huge site, close to the city centre, in the hands of the public sector. If Science City doesn't happen the council should do something much more socially beneficial than simply flog it off to the highest bidder so that a developer in turn can milk it for profit.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 07:07 PM   #32
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I personally think that if there's any way of delivering a world-class centre for scientific research in the city, we should push for it. With Newcastle University involved, we already have some top level research bodies to build upon so it should be realistic. It'd certainly be more beneficial to the city than yet another office development to compete with all of the existing office space we already have, along with a bit more housing.

And I'd also avoid selling it to a developer. As things stand we have a huge site, close to the city centre, in the hands of the public sector. If Science City doesn't happen the council should do something much more socially beneficial than simply flog it off to the highest bidder so that a developer in turn can milk it for profit.
The Science City plans were announced in 2004, as of yet not a thing has happened at Science Central. As can be seen from my post above all of the aims to be achieved by 2010, I don't believe many have been? Surely if this was going to happen there would have been a lot of interest and significant progress by now.

I really fear for this turning into another East Pilgrim Street if something is not done to kickstart it. I guess the question is how long do you wait for this world class science research to come?
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Old January 12th, 2010, 07:19 PM   #33
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True, but we should at least wait until after the recession - there's no chance of anything happening until then.

Then again with the massive cuts that have been announced for university funding, this could all be killed off...
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Old January 12th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #34
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Science City is dead. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. The only people hanging on to this idea is the PR company who took a £100k retainer to publicise it, and the 2 or 3 project staff who probs have another year to run out on their contract. There was never ANY money to develop the site. Not one penny. They were relying on inward investment from businesses which will not come.

So lets just get some grass and surface car parks down, develop a new masterplan and let it grow organically as a new mixed-use sector of the city.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #35
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did we ever hear a realistic schedule that outlined HOW the site was going to be developed? I think TownplanningNE makes a good point, and it is still something that could happen. i'd like to see the council and one north east establish a masterplan for the area- put in some new streets etc, and then individually sell off the plots to private developers for them to do what they like with the land. of course if the council and uni want to keep a specific plot for a science incubator or something, by all means do that, but don't overegg the pudding. i always thought from the beginning that theming the site and getting the council to bring it to fruition was a bad idea.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 07:50 PM   #36
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Don't you think that just selling off plots to developers to do "what they like" would be a huge missed opportunity?!
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Old January 12th, 2010, 08:01 PM   #37
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Don't you think that just selling off plots to developers to do "what they like" would be a huge missed opportunity?!
not necessarily. the private sector was always going to needed to see this area built. if the council can develop a general masterplan, widen/straighten existing roads, put in a couple of new streets, publish a design code etc then i don't see why we couldn't get some thing special. i also think having plots developed by different people would make the area a genuine organic part of the city with a variety of buildings, something a more top-down masterplan and council approach probably won't achieve. the private sector also has more money to invest in something like this - the council will be more limited in what they can achieve. by all means they should keep some plots for the 'science central' plan but i think developing the majority of the site for that purpose, turning it into yet another academic ghetto, would be a missed opportunity.

but whatever happens, it won't start until the economy looks better, so now is the time for plan for that moment.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 08:13 PM   #38
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Just to echo what Johnny has said. A top down masterplan is never going to deliver a true organic part of the city. I imagine any masterplan for Science Central to be along the lines of Baltic Business Quarter, ie more of a business park than part of the city centre.

If a plan could be delivered though where new streets are put in place and developers are encouraged to take smaller plots, even up to the size of Downing Plaza, I think it would create a better quarter.

A true mixed use part of the city centre. No one focus, but an area developed by current demand. I think as it stands the area is simply too big to be entirely focused on science and developed by the council. They can still keep a smaller part for the Science focus too.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 09:05 PM   #39
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Firstly, I think you'd have to give up on something like Science City only once you could be 100% that it couldn't work (which would be a massive shame and loss). We probably won't see a site that big come up so close to the city centre for decades.

If that were the case, I'd be over the moon with the creation of an "organic" area to the city, particularly close to the city, although I'd bet my right arm on it not being achieved. Sadly I can't think of a single example of organic development in the past century on anything like the scale of that site.

Either way, the key would be to make sure no one landowner got control of more than one or two plots. Some form of IJburg/Oosterdokeilands-style housing where people buy a terraced plot and then design whatever they like would be brilliant, but I doubt you'd get more than a short terrace. Besides, NCC appear to have ditched the one-off housing that won the Expo competition in Scotswood so I doubt they could manage it on any other site.

I'd personally love to see part of the site become a truely 21st Century park or something else of a similar civic nature. I know the site is incredibly close to the Moor and Leazes Park, but what if you did some form of trade-in, developing the field around Castle Leazes in exchange for a well-used new park at the Science City site?
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Old January 12th, 2010, 10:40 PM   #40
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I went to one of the public engagements on Science city at St James Park and then at St Mathews church Hall for a discussion of how the development might effect residents in the west of the city- I live locally. I really admired the vision; the presentation was slick, exciting and engaging but there was always one gaping problem. A very large site with nothing but a small pot of public from the council and uni but not a single penny on the table from industry. This made me feel a little uneasy, I just couldn't see how such a vast area could grow in a matter of a few years into one of the largest science sites in the world with out any commitment from anyone with money. There are already large research sites in Newcastle: at Centre for Life, The General, The Freeman/RVI and the University and from what I could sense no one thought science city was anything other than a very speculative gamble. These establishments already have space for development a strong research history, links to industry and would probably be better locations for 'medical' research to expand - organically. Science city is too ambitious. If another developer like Downey wanted a parcel of land to build on, the council would be wise to bite off their hand.
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