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Old July 23rd, 2005, 05:10 PM   #1
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Downtown London is incredible!

I was in London, Ontario (Canada) for a race the other day. All I can say is, it is the medium-city downtown I have always been waiting for! It is superb, and the planners have really created a very urban-lifestyle, large and pleasant downtown, that has many people in it throughout the day, and nice tall office towers as well (they are way taller than photos may suggest) and it has a very urban feel- great work!

I am already planning a trip back in the near future and I plan on staying overnight and taking photos around the city.

Good work, guys!

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Old July 23rd, 2005, 11:14 PM   #2
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london is pretty nice for its area
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Old July 23rd, 2005, 11:15 PM   #3
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Yes, London has a very nice core and lots of nice homes right by it. London is a walkable city.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 02:37 AM   #4
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I wish Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge were more like London. K-W has some positives over London, but not too many.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:31 AM   #5
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Great City

London is a great city. It is perfect to raise children. It has lots of different ethnic backgrounds. For an example Polish, Portuguesse, Italian, Spanish, French and it is the hub of southwestern ontario.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 07:53 AM   #6
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I was just reading that London is doing very well on the employment front as well.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 09:55 PM   #7
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London is pretty sweet ass... but Windsor is going to surpass it in population and importance very soon.

(aside from this, I'd still rather live and visit London)
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Old July 24th, 2005, 10:35 PM   #8
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London is pretty sweet ass... but Windsor is going to surpass it in population and importance very soon.
What are you basing this on? Windsor has to get out of its dependence on the domestic auto industry or we could have some really tough times ahead. As for London, I like the downtown area but the rest of the city is way too sprawly.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 12:56 AM   #9
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I have had some incredible times in downtown London as well, although I just heard the old Ace Arcade which was downtown closed a month ago, that's what emulators/online games will do to arcades. I used to like going to that place. But I have eaten at a considerable amount of restaurants downtown though, and have been to Laser Quest, a few bars, Cosmo City, and JLC events. Glad to hear about your good times, SP!RE in downtown London!

If only London could just stop the sprawl/big box stuff (which there is a little too much of, IMO), the downtown could definitely be on the rebound, but it is in better shape than it was five years ago.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 03:47 AM   #10
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Agreed with Blitz...outside downtown is pretty damn nasty. Ugly strip plazas, big box stores, rio-can centres. And as far as a Canadian city goes, London isn't very diverse in terms of visible minorities....however, the somali, middle eastern and latin populations are booming. It's also one of the most conservative cities in Ontario which isn't my cup of tea. Don't get me wrong, I like London and i've been living here since 1999 (for university) but I would never want to settle here permenantly. The night life is great here and the city has great parks and bike paths. The downtown revitalization has been a great success. But there still needs to be a lot done to this city. Dundas Street needs to be cleaned up and revitalized. They also have to do something about the train tracks which crosses the major thoroughfares throughout the city....it's a problem that really causes problems with the traffic. Speaking of traffic, it's pretty insane in a city for this size. This is due to many factors including the poor mass transit for commuters (however the PT is great for students), and the sprawly makeup of the city.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 04:14 AM   #11
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^ Wouldn't you agree that it's a lot better than K-W?
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Old July 25th, 2005, 04:58 AM   #12
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HELL YES!!!! K-W is just awful for any urban fan.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 05:15 AM   #13
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Traffic is the biggest issue, at least to me. I blame it more on the lack of an expressway than anything else. It's a royal pain in the arse just to get across town during peak times.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 05:37 AM   #14
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Yeah, I just cannot believe how insane the traffic on oxford street is during the afternoons....from wonderland to highbury is just insane.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 06:02 AM   #15
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HELL YES!!!! K-W is just awful for any urban fan.
I'm originally from Waterloo, and it has a good point or two, but I hate the 101 strip malls that you see all over the place and just how disorganized the city is in general. London appears to be a cut above it for sure.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 06:04 AM   #16
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Traffic is the biggest issue, at least to me. I blame it more on the lack of an expressway than anything else. It's a royal pain in the arse just to get across town during peak times.
Totally agree; that's one thing where K-W is much, much better than London. K-W has the Contesgo Parkway (an expressway).
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Old July 25th, 2005, 07:32 AM   #17
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^Kitchener and Windsor each have efficient crosstown expressways and London is bigger than both of them! Kitchener and London are similar to me - they each have a lot of highrise slabs and '70s style subdivisions. But London easily has the better downtown, no contest there.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 05:07 AM   #18
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London is also a very green city. They don't call it the ForestCity for nothing. Beautiful old brick housing because of its old wealth charm, fantastic old archetecture, great shopping and incredible nightlife and restaurants for a city that size.
London is a real gem in southern Ontario.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 07:17 PM   #19
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Not only that, but K-W is slightly closer to Toronto (90 km) and is at the west edge of the golden horseshoe, meaning it will get a considerable amount of money from the Ontario government, which is probably one reason why the Conestoga and 7/8 expressways exist in the twin cities today. Plus, there are a couple of other reasons, but we won't get into that.

As for the Oxford Street problem, I think the city should consider widening it to six lanes from four, which could probably help in a way, it can be done, there is enough space, but it is too bad the city is cash-strapped that they can't repair a lot of their roads. In fact, they should stop using asphalt and use cement for the roads if there is no urban expressway (except for Highbury Ave. south of Hamilton Road), it lasts longer, albeit it is more expensive. But in some cases, it may not be necessary to use some main arterial highways in the city, if you know your way around and can find back roads to take to avoid all those damn traffic lights, I can think of a few, although for Oxford from Wonderland to Highbury, that could be a slight problem... so if you need a faster way to get around the city from certain places, let me know, I could probably find them for you.

Too bad Airport Road is not going to be an expressway like it would have been, had it still been kept as an Ontario highway. Ever since the city of London amalgamated and the Ontario highways were downloaded, road construction and systems in the city have been quite a pain.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:01 PM   #20
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Just imagine how nice London's downtown would have been without the Galleria, and if the JLC had been built facing the other direction (ie. with the courtyard facing in the direction of Dundas and Richmond rather than towards King). The biggeset problem with London's downtown is that there is so much dead frontage in front of buildings like these, and they positively kill the shops that are on the other side of the street from them, or further down the road. The long expanses of brick walls disrupt the feeling of a walking city that London would otherwise have.

The shame about London's downtown area is that what you would expect would be the peak value intersection (Dundas and Wellington or Dundas and Richmond) isn't and instead the peak property values are found along the Strip (maybe around Richmond and Mill, and extending south from there) or across from the JLC and the Market.

Though, all of this is the west end of downtown, head a litte east on Dundas ito the east end, and its an absolute disaster...
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