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Old February 12th, 2010, 06:30 AM   #1
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தமிழ்நாடு வரலாறு - Tamilnadu History Updates & Discussions

This thread is dedicated for news, updates, discussion on history of Tamilnadu. Simple chronology of history considering the peak rulers of the present day of Tamilnadu.

Year-----------------------------Age/Kingdom Peak
5,00,000BCE-3000BCE------------Paleolithic
2,500BCE------------------------Neolithic
350BCE-200CE-------------------Sangam Age (Early Chola, Pandya and Cheras)
300BCE-200CE-------------------Early Cholas
600BCE-200CE-------------------Early Pandyas
300BCE-250CE-------------------Early Cheras
250CE-600CE--------------------Kalabhars Dynasty
570CE-700CE--------------------Pallava Empire
560CE-920CE--------------------Medieval Pandya Empire
845CE-1280CE-------------------Medieval and Later Chola Empire
1150CE-1345CE------------------Later Pandya Empire
1336CE-1646CE------------------Vijayanagar Empire
1559CE-1736CE------------------Madurai Nayak Kingdom
1785CE-1950CE------------------Madras Presidency (Under British 1947)
1950CE-1968CE------------------Madras state (Republic of India)
1968CE-Till----------------------Tamilnadu (Republic of India)

**Above chronology corrections are welcomed.

I request members to share their views, articles, search about the history of Tamilnadu. I hope we can maintain this thread as another knowledge sharing thread.

Time line of Tamil Script


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Old February 12th, 2010, 06:34 AM   #2
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Interesting thread to start with
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Old February 12th, 2010, 06:50 AM   #3
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Looks like Muslim invaders never penerated into TN teritory during the mughal reign even though they conquered most of the Northern India. Could be the reason that so many temples are still found in TN.

BTW, nice thread
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Old February 12th, 2010, 09:42 AM   #4
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Looks like Muslim invaders never penerated into TN teritory during the mughal reign even though they conquered most of the Northern India. Could be the reason that so many temples are still found in TN.

BTW, nice thread
Really True !

Dear Arul ! Another Nice Forum from you !!!
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Old February 12th, 2010, 09:49 AM   #5
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Looks like Muslim invaders never penerated into TN teritory during the mughal reign even though they conquered most of the Northern India. Could be the reason that so many temples are still found in TN.

BTW, nice thread
Based on the history, before the invasion of muslim invaders large number of temples were found in North India. But muslim invaders destroyed the temples but kept palaces and beautified it. In south India the cheras, cholas and pandyas(all Hindus) fought themselves. Here they destroyed palaces but expanded the temples.

Thats y more temples in South and few palaces..

From the book "Vandhargal vendrargal" -Madan
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Old February 12th, 2010, 09:52 AM   #6
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http://www.tnarch.gov.in/

Department of Archaeology- Tamilnadu website
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Old February 12th, 2010, 11:39 AM   #7
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Old February 12th, 2010, 12:00 PM   #8
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Good one Arul.

The history of the earlier kingdoms are seen thru the exisitng palaces, temples, manuscripts. Most of the palaces got destroyed by the next kingdoms, but the ones which survies till today are the great temples.

North India indeed had many temples but were destroyed by the muslim rules, but the temples in south survived and still stand high with their twering Gopurams.

Most of the Gopurams in important temples were built by the Vijayanagar kings and Nayak kings who have done a lot to our culture.
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Old February 12th, 2010, 12:28 PM   #9
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Excellent Arul !! Really wonderful idea to initiate this tread!!!
Is it also allowed to have discussions not just realted to "Tamil nadu" but also about "Tamil - The language" in this same thread?
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Old February 12th, 2010, 05:33 PM   #10
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Really True !

Dear Arul ! Another Nice Forum from you !!!
Muslim invaders indeed felt their presence in madurai and the temple was closed by them for 50 years.

Info from :http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/tam...u/history.html

14th century

With the decline of the Cholas, the Pandyas rose to prominence once again in the early 14th century. This was short lived -- they were soon subdued by Muslim Khilji invaders from the north in 1316. The city of Madurai was ransacked and completely destroyed. The invasion weakened both the Cholas and Pandyas and led to the establishment of Bahmani Kingdom in the northern Deccan.


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Old February 12th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #11
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This thread can soon deteriorate into mere war of words, instead of discussing a very possible reconstruction of Tamil's History.

Already, quite a few guys have jumped into Muslim bashing. For me ,the worst thing that happened to TN was the invasion of Vijayanagaram.Chalukya and Sathavahana kingdoms..

The fact is except for a couple of groups,defeated, dethroned,dispossessed and marginalised in the present day entity called 'Tamil Nadu' ,all other groups of people are invaders,settlers or migrants and none of them have the original Tamil lineage. It may be difficult to digest,but the facts in most part of South India , various groups are struggling, even doing Phd. programs to prove,they are the the original Telugus,Kannadigas,Tamils or Malayalis.

This attitude is true for the whole of India.

It will be very wise to have a neutral presentation of History,but will rarely happen.
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^ Nothing to do with Muslim bashing or anything. It is just a documented fact by the Historians.
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This thread can soon deteriorate into mere war of words, instead of discussing a very possible reconstruction of Tamil's History.

Already, quite a few guys have jumped into Muslim bashing. For me ,the worst thing that happened to TN was the invasion of Vijayanagaram.Chalukya and Sathavahana kingdoms..

The fact is except for a couple of groups,defeated, dethroned,dispossessed and marginalised in the present day entity called 'Tamil Nadu' ,all other groups of people are invaders,settlers or migrants and none of them have the original Tamil lineage. It may be difficult to digest,but the facts in most part of South India , various groups are struggling, even doing Phd. programs to prove,they are the the original Telugus,Kannadigas,Tamils or Malayalis.



It will be very wise to have a neutral presentation of History,but will rarely happen.
Leo, this thread is not against any religion. North India attracts more foreign tourist compared to South India, due to the presence of Taj Mahal and the forts built by Mughals. Many cities in the north depends on this tourist inflow. As an Indian, we love diversity and in this thread we will not bash any religion instead let us promote our culture, tradition, monuments of historic importance and let us use this forum for constructive discussion.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 04:34 PM   #14
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Origin and Spread of Tamils in Google Books.

Found this ebook of 124 pages in Google books. Written in May 1947 by V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar. Quite a interesting read.
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Old February 17th, 2010, 06:31 PM   #15
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This thread can soon deteriorate into mere war of words, instead of discussing a very possible reconstruction of Tamil's History.

Already, quite a few guys have jumped into Muslim bashing. For me ,the worst thing that happened to TN was the invasion of Vijayanagaram.Chalukya and Sathavahana kingdoms..

The fact is except for a couple of groups,defeated, dethroned,dispossessed and marginalised in the present day entity called 'Tamil Nadu' ,all other groups of people are invaders,settlers or migrants and none of them have the original Tamil lineage. It may be difficult to digest,but the facts in most part of South India , various groups are struggling, even doing Phd. programs to prove,they are the the original Telugus,Kannadigas,Tamils or Malayalis.

This attitude is true for the whole of India.

It will be very wise to have a neutral presentation of History,but will rarely happen.
Identity is very important. People always want to identify themselves and trace back their roots. Even in the US, after 230 years of independence and the existence of a modern multi-cultural society, people still say that they are of "German descent", "English descent", "Italian ancestry" etc. They also identify themselves as Latinos and Afro-Americans even though they were born and brought up in the US and they had never even stepped out of their country. The so-called globalization and the spread of the Internet which erased logical boundaries between people all across the world hasn't erased this mentality of people.

The reason why most states in India have been created based on language is also to maintain the identity of people.

So, this is not something that exists only in TN.
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This thread can soon deteriorate into mere war of words, instead of discussing a very possible reconstruction of Tamil's History.

Already, quite a few guys have jumped into Muslim bashing. For me ,the worst thing that happened to TN was the invasion of Vijayanagaram.Chalukya and Sathavahana kingdoms..

The fact is except for a couple of groups,defeated, dethroned,dispossessed and marginalised in the present day entity called 'Tamil Nadu' ,all other groups of people are invaders,settlers or migrants and none of them have the original Tamil lineage. It may be difficult to digest,but the facts in most part of South India , various groups are struggling, even doing Phd. programs to prove,they are the the original Telugus,Kannadigas,Tamils or Malayalis.

This attitude is true for the whole of India.

It will be very wise to have a neutral presentation of History,but will rarely happen.
Mr.Leo,

I have just quoted history in my post which is very well documented.I dont know what makes u think that i had kick started Muslim bashing with my info.You seem to belong the so called "Secular group" for whom discussing the real history of invasions looks communal.Pl do come out of the Congress authored text books you have read in your life and if u want to really know the history of India read the book "Six Glorious Epochs of Indian History".

Sorry guys for deviating form the subject of the thread but this clarification was really required at this juncture to keep the so called "Secular people" on track.

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We had our golden age when the Medieval and Later Chola like RajaRaja, Rajendra and Kulothunga Cholans were ruling. The temple at Tanjavur and Gangaikonda Cholapuram will speak for itself. Also one of the greatest king to ever rule at least half of India is Raja Raja Cholan. But why he is not promoted like the North Indian kings such as Ashoka? Raja Raja is also an undefeated king like Ashoka and even he has stepped away to give the power to his uncle when he has to become the King and waited for another 15 years to come to the power, no King in any history would have done like him.
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Found this ebook of 124 pages in Google books. Written in May 1947 by V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar. Quite a interesting read.

i would like to down load from google site about tamils (origin & spread of tamil), please advice me how to do
i would like to forward to friends
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I doubt if you can do that. But why not send the link so that they read directly from the google books.

This is link for two-page view.
http://books.google.com/books?id=6qv...age&q=&f=false

Actually the book cost about $35 in Amazon/B&N website.
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i would like to down load from google site about tamils (origin & spread of tamil), please advice me how to do
i would like to forward to friends
http://ia331305.us.archive.org/3/ite...o035245mbp.pdf

use the above link or go to

http://www.archive.org/details/origi...reado035245mbp

There will be pdf link at the left hand side
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