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BoldTeddy · May 22nd, 2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wavid2009

Having looked at the stadium today, a 12K BW couldn't even be accomodated without it hitting the road. I worked out that it can only go as far back as the new SC. So basically they will have to build a stand which will be exactly the same as the SB - this means a total capacity of 44K max. It would have made more sense to make the new SB the 'grand stand' (maybe they will surprise us?).

People keep hoping for a 'special' stand but can't see how it can be possible unless they created a third tier that was higher than the new SB/JH but keeping the same width. The only other thing they could do is slightly bring out the middle of the stand but there still isn't enough room due to the road and both of these ideas would look pants anyway.

I am fairly sure that the 50K figure first quoted was a blatant lie and don't know why they said that. The supposed 12K seater 'grand stand' can't be anything other than a fantasy, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by wavid2009

Yeah, thanks for backing me up on that one. I'm just going by the 38K figure quoted after JH conversion, thus needing 12K more on the BW side to break the 50K. Check wiki and the initial proposal.

You keep talking about a 12k Billy Wright.
But this "maybe some day" Billy Wright would have to be 12k bigger than the current one. So that is approximately 8.5k + 12k = 20.5k.

The phase 3 capacity has been quoted as both 38,000 and 37,000 because, as I keep saying, no detailed plans have been made for phase 3. Using the 37,000 figure gives a 21.5k Billy Wright.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/...e-green-light/

Having said that there is every chance a new Billy Wright could only have a 12k capacity, but still look bigger because of the extra tiers dedicated to corporate hospitality. The stadium would only be in the region of 40k in that case.

DBadger · May 22nd, 2013, 10:15 PM

Hi,
I'm quite amateur and unknowledgable here, but here is Old Trafford's North stand, which I believe to be 25,000 in capacity, superimposed on Molineux on either side.

Either way it hits a road.

Given the size of the land available would something like this be possible:

(I.e. two stands, next to each other, to take up the available room)

wavid2009 · May 22nd, 2013, 10:36 PM

The second pic is what i was thinking could be a possibility but would look stupid. A more realistic idea would be to keep the depth similar to how it is now but encorporate the entrance by bringing it outwards, making a feature of it (unlike the SC which is flat). So, in other words, bring half of the middle of the stand out by about 20 foot (I think).

I'm surprised that a 25K seater almost fits like that but is a really good mock up in showing how a bigger stand could almost squeeze in (if the dimensions are the same). I do like Manchester's North Stand, especially the small third tier at the top. Would love to see Wolves copy that but the depth may be an issue again.

BoldTeddy · May 22nd, 2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wavid2009

I'm surprised that a 25K seater almost fits like that but is a really good mock up in showing how a bigger stand could almost squeeze in (if the dimensions are the same). Obviously that size is a bit over the top, unless BoldTeddy is doing the maths!

I don't wanna get you mad again, but do you not agree that the 3 new sides will total 38,000? (Forgetting the entire BW side). Why would the BW need 12K on top of the existing structure?

I'll let you think about it a bit more before I answer.

wavid2009 · May 22nd, 2013, 11:10 PM

You are really making me laugh now as one of us is crap at maths. I am desperately trying to do it you're way but is just confusing me!

Let me answer when I eventually understand.

BoldTeddy · May 22nd, 2013, 11:16 PM

A design that's deeper in the middle would be one solution. Like Badger's Old Trafford pic, but with the corners cut off.
This is probably as close as they could get to the road. There would still be 'right to light' issues for the flats behind.
I don't think this would be anything close to 20k though.

wavid2009 · May 22nd, 2013, 11:25 PM

That's exactly the vision I have. Would look brilliant like that, with perhaps an even higher roof to accomodate more seats. Or slide in that small third tier under the roof like Man Utd.

wavid2009 · May 22nd, 2013, 11:44 PM

BoldTed, I GET IT!! You are right. Sorry, I'm having one of those days today. I thought I was forgetting something when I was trying to describe it.

They will never get 20K seats within there! That 50K figure is an absolute joke; Is spending £90 million for only 15K more seats really worth it? Having said that Liverpool are paying £200 million for only 20K more seats (65K final), so at least it's not just Wolves.

My estimation of 44K total capacity after completion will be about right, I reckon. The rediculous amount of exits hasn't helped this and all of that bare concrete.

traffordboy · May 24th, 2013, 10:59 AM

With regards to Safe Standing, I work with a former (retired) Football Intelligence Officer for Greater Manchester Police (Inspector). The subject often crops up in the office and he is always adamant that in his opinion, standing will never return to the top 2 divs! Basically, his point is that the police will never agree to it! It doesn't matter what the FA or PL decide, if the police don't agree, it won't happen!

wavid2009 · May 24th, 2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by traffordboy

With regards to Safe Standing, I work with a former (retired) Football Intelligence Officer for Greater Manchester Police (Inspector). The subject often crops up in the office and he is always adamant that in his opinion, standing will never return to the top 2 divs! Basically, his point is that the police will never agree to it! It doesn't matter what the FA or PL decide, if the police don't agree, it won't happen!

I think David Gold and many others in football think it is a certainly that it will happen in 5 years. Don't know how true it is although the FL are desperate to push it through, even now. They are visiting and having talks with every club about it (Wolves were visited last year about it and the possibility of the new construction having standing areas). If the police issue is such a problem, why would they do this?

traffordboy · May 24th, 2013, 05:07 PM

I've no idea, I only know what I've been told!

wavid2009 · May 24th, 2013, 06:30 PM

I believe Morgan would seek planning on the BW and even do it before the JH so he could make it an all standing area (if it were passed and he had to wait). I think he has indicated this before and knows getting planning on the BW won't be a problem.

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DBadger culled Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Wolverhampton, Greater Birmingham Posts: 5,713 Likes (Received): 411	Hi, I'm quite amateur and unknowledgable here, but here is Old Trafford's North stand, which I believe to be 25,000 in capacity, superimposed on Molineux on either side. Either way it hits a road. Given the size of the land available would something like this be possible: (I.e. two stands, next to each other, to take up the available room) __________________ WOLVERHAMPTON *♣ DIRECT TRAINS TO LONDON AND TIPTON* ♣**

May 22nd, 2013, 10:36 PM	#8943
wavid2009 Of 'The Great Wolves' Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 268 Likes (Received): 1	The second pic is what i was thinking could be a possibility but would look stupid. A more realistic idea would be to keep the depth similar to how it is now but encorporate the entrance by bringing it outwards, making a feature of it (unlike the SC which is flat). So, in other words, bring half of the middle of the stand out by about 20 foot (I think). I'm surprised that a 25K seater almost fits like that but is a really good mock up in showing how a bigger stand could almost squeeze in (if the dimensions are the same). I do like Manchester's North Stand, especially the small third tier at the top. Would love to see Wolves copy that but the depth may be an issue again. Last edited by wavid2009; May 23rd, 2013 at 03:28 PM.

May 22nd, 2013, 11:25 PM	#8947
wavid2009 Of 'The Great Wolves' Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 268 Likes (Received): 1	That's exactly the vision I have. Would look brilliant like that, with perhaps an even higher roof to accomodate more seats. Or slide in that small third tier under the roof like Man Utd. Last edited by wavid2009; May 23rd, 2013 at 03:31 PM.

May 22nd, 2013, 11:44 PM	#8948
wavid2009 Of 'The Great Wolves' Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 268 Likes (Received): 1	BoldTed, I GET IT!! You are right. Sorry, I'm having one of those days today. I thought I was forgetting something when I was trying to describe it. They will never get 20K seats within there! That 50K figure is an absolute joke; Is spending £90 million for only 15K more seats really worth it? Having said that Liverpool are paying £200 million for only 20K more seats (65K final), so at least it's not just Wolves. My estimation of 44K total capacity after completion will be about right, I reckon. The rediculous amount of exits hasn't helped this and all of that bare concrete. Last edited by wavid2009; May 23rd, 2013 at 03:40 PM.

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May 22nd, 2013, 11:10 PM	#8945
wavid2009 Of 'The Great Wolves' Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 268 Likes (Received): 1	You are really making me laugh now as one of us is crap at maths. I am desperately trying to do it you're way but is just confusing me! Let me answer when I eventually understand.

May 22nd, 2013, 11:16 PM	#8946
BoldTeddy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Dudley Posts: 963 Likes (Received): 4	A design that's deeper in the middle would be one solution. Like Badger's Old Trafford pic, but with the corners cut off. This is probably as close as they could get to the road. There would still be 'right to light' issues for the flats behind. I don't think this would be anything close to 20k though.

May 24th, 2013, 10:59 AM	#8949
traffordboy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 601 Likes (Received): 12	With regards to Safe Standing, I work with a former (retired) Football Intelligence Officer for Greater Manchester Police (Inspector). The subject often crops up in the office and he is always adamant that in his opinion, standing will never return to the top 2 divs! Basically, his point is that the police will never agree to it! It doesn't matter what the FA or PL decide, if the police don't agree, it won't happen!

May 24th, 2013, 05:07 PM	#8951
traffordboy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 601 Likes (Received): 12	I've no idea, I only know what I've been told!

May 24th, 2013, 06:30 PM	#8952
wavid2009 Of 'The Great Wolves' Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 268 Likes (Received): 1	I believe Morgan would seek planning on the BW and even do it before the JH so he could make it an all standing area (if it were passed and he had to wait). I think he has indicated this before and knows getting planning on the BW won't be a problem.