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Old April 18th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #221
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Link to the NLA leaflet: http://www.newlondonarchitecture.org/dls/TB_B1.pdf

Location of future tall buildings in London:

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Old April 18th, 2014, 08:30 PM   #222
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you mean, until it was abolished???
CABE is still going, albeit it was folded into the Design Council in 2011; they did a review of a scheme I'm working on just a few weeks ago

A brief summary of their current role, which seems to be focussed on individual schemes rather than questions of strategic planning policy, is given below:
http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/our-...lt-environment
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Old April 19th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #223
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Link to the NLA leaflet: http://www.newlondonarchitecture.org/dls/TB_B1.pdf

Location of future tall buildings in London:
cant work out nine elms, what's proposed that's taller than st george wharf tower and sits between it and the river?

also the ram brewery tower seems to have skipped across the wandle.
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Old April 19th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #224
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Close London City Airport

A new report from the New Economics Foundation (NEF) makes the case for closing London’s City Airport and redeveloping the site to create jobs, boost local business and build new homes:

  • City Airport creates little value – despite occupying 500,000 square metres at the heart of London, its direct contribution to the UK economy in 2011 was £110m – less than a fifth of the nearby ExCeL Exhibition and Conference Centre.

  • City Airport costs jobs – the airport has never delivered on initial jobs promises and its safety crash zone limits business development across a 3 mile radius. The extra 1500 jobs from current plans to expand City Airport compare poorly with the 9,000 jobs expected to result from the nearby Silvertown Quays development.

  • Local residents bear all the costs but reap none of the benefits – the average salary of a London City Airport passenger is over £90,000, while 40% of Newham residents earn less than £20,000. 18,000 local residents suffer high levels of noise pollution and poor air quality.

  • London transport no longer needs City Airport – City Airport’s passengers account for just 2.4% of London’s total flight demand, and its numbers could be readily absorbed by Heathrow, Gatwick or Stansted. By 2019 Crossrail will allow City workers to reach Heathrow in just 30 minutes.

The need to cut carbon emissions and tackle economic and social inequalities demands urgent reform of how aviation is managed in our cities. New research from NEF exposes London City Airport as an outdated and unproductive use of precious inner city land and calls for it to be closed at the soonest opportunity.

Read more: http://www.neweconomics.org/press/en...n-city-airport






No City Airport = taller skyscrapers in Canary Wharf.
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Old April 20th, 2014, 12:21 AM   #225
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City Airport creates little value – despite occupying 500,000 square metres at the heart of London, its direct contribution to the UK economy in 2011 was £110m – less than a fifth of the nearby ExCeL Exhibition and Conference Centre.
It's an airport. It's the indirect contribution that matters.

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City Airport costs jobs – the airport has never delivered on initial jobs promises and its safety crash zone limits business development across a 3 mile radius. The extra 1500 jobs from current plans to expand City Airport compare poorly with the 9,000 jobs expected to result from the nearby Silvertown Quays development.
It's an airport. What matters is not how many jobs it creates directly, it's the indirect contribution it makes to the economy, including jobs.

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Local residents bear all the costs but reap none of the benefits – the average salary of a London City Airport passenger is over £90,000, while 40% of Newham residents earn less than £20,000. 18,000 local residents suffer high levels of noise pollution and poor air quality.
True for those living immediately around it, perhaps. Living very close to any airport tends to be undesirable but cheap; the area immediately around Heathrow is not exactly full of wealthy people either, for much the same reasons. But for those living in the wider E and SE London area, there are no particular costs, and obvious benefits to having a convenient airport with short check-in times.

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London transport no longer needs City Airport – City Airport’s passengers account for just 2.4% of London’s total flight demand, and its numbers could be readily absorbed by Heathrow, Gatwick or Stansted. By 2019 Crossrail will allow City workers to reach Heathrow in just 30 minutes.
True that Crossrail will make Heathrow quicker from the City and Canary Wharf. But without a third runway Heathrow is notoriously chockablock - nonsense to say City Airport's numbers could be readily absorbed.
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Old April 20th, 2014, 12:42 AM   #226
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No City Airport = taller skyscrapers in Canary Wharf.
And central London too, should an adequate site pop-up.

Not forgetting a potentially more substantial Thames Gateway Bridge. Cable stayed/suspension designs aren't currently allowed due to its proximity to the airport.
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Old April 20th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #227
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Someone somewhere in a room is probably already drawing up a diabolically complex and expensive masterplan for a giant thames hub/kill heathrow and london city/new bridge/docklands expansion.

I mean, it's probably Boris with a pack of crayons. But still.

It seems like plans are afoot.
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Old April 20th, 2014, 12:51 AM   #228
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Oh, there's no shortage of expensive masterplans for giant thames hubs.

http://londonist.com/2011/11/norman-...port-plans.php
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24895965
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Old April 20th, 2014, 01:21 AM   #229
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White sheet of death has gone up over the centre point low rise residential block
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Oh, there's no shortage of expensive masterplans for giant thames hubs.

http://londonist.com/2011/11/norman-...port-plans.php
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24895965
The thing that makes these so plausible in my mind is the use of the old Heathrow site for new housing.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Doesn't matter. All I know is that 300,000 new homes in the London area is a political gold mine. It prints election votes. A lot of senior government people are going to push it through based on that alone, I think.

Plus, nobody lives in the estuary. So who is going to rally against it?

I think, ultimately, a decision on the future of London's air system is going to be based on politics, not economic/infrastructure realities. Like everything.
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The only flaw in it would probably be left to the drip drip build of private developers so would probably take a century to build.

Just look at the Olympic Park. Owed by the GLA or other government agencies who know there is a housing crisis but instead of developing all the housing plots now, or at the very least sell them all off to competing developers with a use it or lose it housing permission it simply allows a drip feed of handing over a couple of plots to private developers.
The Greenwich peninsula, another public owned leave it to drip feeding developers is another obvious example. In the 14 years since the land was laid out for development the vast majority of plots have seen an abundance of weeds and little else develop.

The GLA acknowledges we need around 40-50k units built every year just to keep up yet not even half will realistically ever be built so if they can't do something radical on land they have control of I would doubt a new city at Heathrow would happen within a decent time frame.
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The only flaw in it would probably be left to the drip drip build of private developers so would probably take a century to build.

Just look at the Olympic Park. Owed by the GLA or other government agencies who know there is a housing crisis but instead of developing all the housing plots now, or at the very least sell them all off to competing developers with a use it or lose it housing permission it simply allows a drip feed of handing over a couple of plots to private developers.
The Greenwich peninsula, another public owned leave it to drip feeding developers is another obvious example. In the 14 years since the land was laid out for development the vast majority of plots have seen an abundance of weeds and little else develop.

The GLA acknowledges we need around 40-50k units built every year just to keep up yet not even half will realistically ever be built so if they can't do something radical on land they have control of I would doubt a new city at Heathrow would happen within a decent time frame.
the elephant in the room is massive government intervention on the scale of the 50s and the 60s.
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Natural history museum redevelopment competition won by Niall Mclaughlin, pity the atrocious extension close to exhibition road was not in the remit for redevelopment.

http://www.archdaily.com/498961/nial...istory-museum/
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kim wilkie will be pissed as they approached the architect, not the other way around, and yet the architect is the one getting the headlines. !!!
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I worked on one of the other shortlisted schemes. Though a public realm/landscape competition it was the Architects in the teams pushing the schemes (as is evident by looking at all the boards submitted) and I'm sure NMA will push for some brief creep to expand their fee .
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