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Old August 9th, 2011, 09:52 PM   #361
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It is sad that some of you view these pirates as "heroes" fighting a good cause of some sort. Although I agree that the pirates, like the Al Shebab, are just a symptom and not the root cause of the problems in Somalia (which I personally believe are cultural in origin), their actions should not be commended. What these men are doing is nothing short of stealing and whatever rationalisation you come up with, the fact still remains that it is immoral to exchange the lives of people for money. Whether Islam allows for it or not, it is wrong!!
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Old August 9th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #362
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Agree, well said. Don't know about a culture but this is wrong. Except the illegal trawlers who need to be stopped
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Majority of the ships/boats they do catch are actually illegal fishers from all over the global, but obviously the western media isn't going to report this.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 02:25 AM   #363
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It is sad that some of you view these pirates as "heroes" fighting a good cause of some sort. Although I agree that the pirates, like the Al Shebab, are just a symptom and not the root cause of the problems in Somalia (which I personally believe are cultural in origin), their actions should not be commended. What these men are doing is nothing short of stealing and whatever rationalisation you come up with, the fact still remains that it is immoral to exchange the lives of people for money. Whether Islam allows for it or not, it is wrong!!
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Old August 10th, 2011, 03:48 AM   #364
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The pirates should help their brothers and sisters in the South. It would also help their "we are the coast guard of somalia" image they're trying portray.
With haram money? Not ethically ideal.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:46 AM   #365
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With haram money? Not ethically ideal.
You think a starving kid in a refugee camp has time to think about ethics. I would rather see the money going there, than being spent on big SUV's, lavish houses and prostitutes.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 12:40 PM   #366
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Piracy didn't come out of nowhere, it is merely a reaction to a problem.

I hope the money is used to fund those starving in the South and beyond. That I would support.
Whether the money comes from stealing does not matter to me if the end result is a child not dying
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Old August 11th, 2011, 12:56 PM   #367
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You think a starving kid in a refugee camp has time to think about ethics. I would rather see the money going there, than being spent on big SUV's, lavish houses and prostitutes.
They need FOOD, not money.

I doubt they even know about the famine.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 06:49 PM   #368
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They need FOOD, not money.

I doubt they even know about the famine.
Of couse they know about the famine, they aren't nomads in a far away desert.

How are we in the west helping? None of us are sending food, you use the money to buy food.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 03:34 AM   #369
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Of couse they know about the famine, they aren't nomads in a far away desert.
You would be surprised. This is a country where the majority of people are illiterate and are not covered by internet or television. And they are in a far away desert actually...their bases anyway.

Either way, expecting that a bunch of criminals go and put their money into helping people in need is a hopeful wish indeed.

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How are we in the west helping? None of us are sending food, you use the money to buy food.
Realistically, do you think that the people will actually benefit from the vast majority of this money? I don't. I don't have any trust in the organizations sending this money. Outside funding for housing, health, and agricultural education programs, I would rather have them give them more food than thinking they can fix problems by just throwing money at the situation.

For the record, I never said anything wrong with sending money on an individual level (we have).
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Old October 1st, 2011, 09:56 PM   #370
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A major operation by the Kenya Navy to rescue a paralysed French woman abducted by suspected al Shabaab gunmen early Saturday was thwarted when the boat carrying her escaped into Somalia.

“Immediately the government learnt of this unfortunate incident, security forces swung into immediate action and pursued the abductors as they sped northwards in a high-speed boat towards Ras Kamboni. In the ensuing shoot-out between the abductors and the Kenya Navy, several of the abductors were injured but managed to enter Ras Kamboni,” Internal Security minister George Saitoti said in a statement.

Ras Kamboni is the southernmost tip of Somalia.

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Earlier Tourism minister Najib Balala said 66-year-old Marie Dedieu had been kidnapped from her home on Manda Island opposite Lamu Island.

Sources in Lamu across the channel said 10 armed attackers arrived in a small boat around 3.30 a.m. and abducted the woman.

Ms Dedieu’s caregiver, Zainab Anthony, said six gunmen had entered the compound at Ras Kitau opposite Shela village on Lamu and sealed it off.

“I saw three armed men dressed in military uniform as I was going to the washroom, and I screamed,” she told Sunday Nation by telephone.

“They then ordered me to shut up and threatened to shoot as they went to the main house. One of them asked me: ‘Where is Mama?’”

The screams awoke male workers who were ordered to lie down, and one gunmen was left to guard them as three others entered the house, she said.

Inside the assailants encountered Ms Dedieu and her partner Lapapa ole Moiyoi who had been awakened by the commotion, and ordered him to surrender.

“We pleaded with them not to take her away and said we were ready to give them money, but they refused,” he said, adding that the couple had arrived on the island from Paris two days earlier.

“As they dragged her I tried to wrestle the man who was guarding me. I managed to jump out of the window as he fired two shots but missed,” he said.

The workers said Ms Dedieu was paralysed after being involved in an accident several years ago. They said she was taking medication for her condition.

The assailants struck some of the workers with gun butts during the 30-minute incident.


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Old October 1st, 2011, 11:31 PM   #371
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Balala ,what is the overall effect of Pirates actions to the Kenyan Tourism Industry?
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Old October 1st, 2011, 11:38 PM   #372
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Balala ,what is the overall effect of Pirates actions to the Kenyan Tourism Industry?
But you already know the effects, dont you?

The French tourist should just be kept there until the money is released!France is rich and should learn how to share the wealth with other people.

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Old October 3rd, 2011, 06:44 AM   #373
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But you already know the effects, dont you?

The French tourist should just be kept there until the money is released!France is rich and should learn how to share the wealth with other people.
Giving money to gangs is wrong thing to do. Crime should not pay.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 07:26 AM   #374
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If this woman was a local Kenyan nobody would have cared.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 08:16 AM   #375
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If this woman was a local Kenyan nobody would have cared.
I'm sure Kenyas would.
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Old October 3rd, 2011, 05:49 PM   #376
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But you already know the effects, dont you?

The French tourist should just be kept there until the money is released!France is rich and should learn how to share the wealth with other people.
Look like she was spying for France intelligence...
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Old October 14th, 2011, 10:16 AM   #377
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Two Spaniards kidnapped in Kenya likely in Somalia



Two Spanish aid workers kidnapped from Kenya’s Dadaab refugee camp are believed to have been taken into lawless Somalia, police said Friday.

The two women, working as logisticians for the aid agency Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF, Doctors Without Borders), were seized Thursday by gunmen that police say were Somali Islamist al Shabaab rebels.

“There are all indications that they are on the other side (of the border),” regional police chief Leo Nyongesa told AFP.

It was the third incident of foreigners being abducted in just over a month.

Fierce fighting was reported in a town just inside Somalia on Thursday between Al-Qaeda linked Shabaab militants and other rival Somali militia groups.

Helicopter search

Despite the likelihood the kidnappers are now in Somalia, police said they would continue the search in Kenya on Friday with the support of a helicopter.

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Old October 14th, 2011, 11:04 PM   #378
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Kenya's military is just looking weak and pathetic right about now. It's time the government got serious with doing a better job patrolling the border.

I won't be surprised if this isn't the last time this happens this month. I think it's time to consider a barrier at the border, get the Chinese to build it.
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Old October 16th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #379
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Wait how can an armed group go as far as Lamu into Kenya, kidnap people and then cross the border all the way back to Somalia without being aprehended ? Fail on the part of the Kenyan security.
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