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Old September 30th, 2008, 02:46 AM   #41
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Its not a good thing but what else can they do to earn a living.
It may have been wiser to impose a modest toll on the seaways. Charge, say, $500 per ton of the ship. So a 20,000 ton ship will be compelled to pay a toll of $10,000. Most shipping companies (maybe all of them) would simply include this in their overhead expenses and pay without too much hassle. The pirates would then attract a lot less attention from the press and from Russian warships.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 03:05 AM   #42
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Although there's immense poverty, that's a very poor excuse.

There are people in that part of the country that are going through worse conditions, but have not thrown themselves into a life of crime. This isn't like someone stealing bread to survive...these guys are criminal thugs stealing millions for their own selfish needs.

I don't believe for a second that is a show of desperation and poverty, because they are hurting themselves and the population at large. It's a thuggish mentality that is rotten to the core that's plagued Somalis since the start of the war. There's nothing different between them and the warlords that hijacked the nation for over a decade. They benefit from instability and uncertainty.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 10:02 PM   #43
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Three Somali Pirates Dead After Shoot Out

These Pirates don't seem to be all that bright. lol

U.S. Officials Say Three Somali Pirates Dead After Shoot Out During Muslim Feast
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MOGADISHU, Somalia — Disagreements between Somali pirates holding a ship laden with tanks and heavy weapons escalated into a shootout and three pirates are believed dead, a U.S. defense official said Tuesday. The pirates denied the report.

The U.S. destroyer USS Howard and several other American ships have surrounded the Ukrainian cargo ship Faina, which was hijacked Thursday and is now anchored off the lawless coast of Somalia. The pirates have demanded a ransom of $20 million and the U.S. Navy cordon aims to prevent them from taking any of the weapons ashore.

The official in Washington who reported the shootout spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record. He refused to elaborate and said he had no way of confirming the deaths.

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But the pirate spokesman insisted the report was not true, that his colleagues were just celebrating the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr despite being surrounded by American warships and helicopters.

"We didn't dispute over a single thing, let alone have a shootout," pirate spokesman Sugule Ali told The Associated Press by satellite telephone Tuesday.

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"We are happy on the ship and we are celebrating Eid," Ali said. "Nothing has changed."

The Islamic feast marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan.

Earlier Tuesday, Andrew Mwangura of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program cited an unconfirmed report saying three Somali pirates were killed Monday night in a dispute over whether to surrender. Mwangura said, however, he had not spoken to any witnesses.

Elsewhere in Somalia, pirates freed a Malaysian tanker Tuesday after a ransom was paid, according to a Malaysian shipping company.

The blue-and-white Ukrainian ship Faina has been buzzed by American helicopters since Sunday. Pirates hijacked the Faina and its cargo of 33 Soviet-designed tanks and weapons Thursday while the ship was passing through the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, en route to the Kenyan port of Mombasa.

Ali said the vessel was surrounded by four warships but he could not identify where the ships were from. The San Diego-based USS guided missile destroyer Howard has been watching the pirate ship for several days and has spoken the pirates and crew by radio.

The U.S. defense official in Washington said the pirates have been moving from ship to shore and back again, bringing provisions including livestock.

He said between 40 and 50 pirates were involved in the hijacking, but a second U.S. official said only about 30 of them were on the ship itself.

On Monday, U.S. naval officials said several other American ships had joined the watch, but declined to give details.

U.S. Navy officials said they have allowed the pirates to resupply the ship with food and water, but not to unload any of its military cargo, which included T-72 tanks, ammunition, and heavy weapons that U.S. Defense officials have said included rocket launchers.

The U.S. fears the armaments may end up with al-Qaida-linked Islamic militants who have been fighting an insurgency against the shaky, U.N.-backed Somali transitional government since late 2006, when the Islamists were driven out after six months in power. More than 9,000 people, most of them civilians, have been killed in the Iraq-style insurgency.

Russia has also dispatched a warship to the area, but it will take about a week to get there.

American military officials and diplomats say the weapons are destined for southern Sudan.

Meanwhile, the Malaysian shipping line MISC Berhad said Tuesday that Somalia pirates released the seized palm oil tanker, MT Bunga Melati 2, on Monday, two days after its first vessel was released.

Chairman Hassan Marican said a ransom was paid for both vessels but declined to reveal the amount. All 79 crew on both ships are safe but were traumatized and will undergo counseling, he said.

Piracy has become a lucrative criminal racket in impoverished Somalia, bringing in tens of millions of dollars a year in ransom. There have been 24 reported attacks in Somalia this year, according to the International Maritime Bureau.

Most pirate attacks occur in the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, to the north of Somalia. But recently pirates have been targeting Indian Ocean waters off eastern Somalia.

In all, 62 ships have been attacked in the notorious African waters this year. A total of 26 ships were hijacked, and 12 remain in the hands of the pirates along with more than 200 crew members.

International warships are patrolling the area and have created a special security corridor under a U.S.-led initiative, but attacks have not abated.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 10:07 PM   #44
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Old September 30th, 2008, 10:53 PM   #45
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What is Russia's business in the whole thing?

The arms were destined for Kenya, being handled by the Ukrainians am I right?

Ukraine and Russia don't exactly have a cordial relationship.

Is it strategic, if that is the case then their movement into the Gulf will not be influenced by what happens next with the tanks.
Those are good questions, but what's the business of the US to be involved in this, this is a very long way from our borders! We know that selling of off stockpiles of Soviet era weapons is one of the things that keeps Ukraine afloat. But then Ukraine is supposed to be our (US) ally.

If the Kenyans or Sudanese (Khartoum or southern) want to buy tanks from the Ukraine, that's their business. These Somali pirates aren't going to get very far with a load of T-72s.

If I was more conspiratorial minded, I might even wonder if this might be just another Pentagon-orchestrated set-up to swing the US presidential elections. McCain's family has a long history in the Navy & Obama has strong Kenyan ties.

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Old October 1st, 2008, 12:35 AM   #46
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If I was more conspiratorial minded, I might even wonder if this might be just another Pentagon-orchestrated set-up to swing the US presidential elections. McCain's family has a long history in the Navy & Obama has strong Kenyan ties.
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Old October 1st, 2008, 02:53 AM   #47
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Kenya, South Sudan Deny Pirated Arms Were Headed to Sudan
By Alisha Ryu
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30 September 2008

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Officials in Kenya and South Sudan are denying reports that a shipment of tanks and other military equipment was headed for Sudan when it was seized by Somali pirates last week. The reports have prompted questions about whether the Kenyan government is assisting South Sudan in its efforts to strengthen its army before a 2011 referendum on secession from the North. VOA Correspondent Alisha Ryu has details from our East Africa Bureau in Nairobi.

In a telephone interview with VOA, the South Sudan army Chief of General Staff Oyay Deng Ajak said the former rebel group has nothing to do with the consignment of 33 refurbished Russian-built tanks and other arms that are aboard a hijacked Ukrainian freighter off the coast of Somalia.

"The content does not belong to us. All the documents - even the Kenyans themselves, they have publicly announced that the ship(ment) belongs to them," Ajak said.


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Questions about the cargo and where it was headed arose after Somali pirates seized the ship last Thursday as it sailed toward the Kenyan port of Mombasa. The pirates are demanding $20 million for the release of the ship and its 20 crew members.

On Monday, the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet in Bahrain said it believed the cargo's final destination was Sudan, not Kenya.

A maritime official based in Mombasa, Andrew Mwangura, told reporters earlier that pirates found documents that showed the T-72 tanks, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, anti-aircraft guns and ammunition were destined for South Sudan. Mwangura added that four other military shipments for South Sudan passed through Mombasa port in the past year.

In the Kenyan media, government spokesman Alfred Mutua and defense ministry spokesman Bogita Ongeri dismissed Mwangura's report as baseless, insisting that the seized cargo was being delivered to Kenya for use by its military.

Mwangura says what he disclosed must have been highly sensitive because he received a follow-up call from the police commissioner in Mombasa.

"The commissioner called and said, 'Do not talk to the media about this issue.' I do not know why they want to kill this story," Mwangura said.

Nairobi's claim of ownership of the cargo raised eyebrows among arms experts in the region, who note that Kenya's military suppliers are Britain, China, and the United States and there is no record of any Kenyan military personnel being trained to operate Russian-built tanks.

South Sudan, on the other hand, receives military assistance from both the United States and Russia and is said to be eager to equip its army in preparation for a possible renewed conflict with the government in Khartoum.

Although the delivery of the tanks and arms to South Sudan does not violate international arms control rules, it has the potential to unravel a peace deal the southern rebels signed with Khartoum in 2005 to end the country's two-decade-long civil war. The accord states that one side must consult the other before making any military purchases.

It also gives the South autonomy until 2011, when a referendum will be held to determine secession from the North. But most of the country's oil reserves lie in the South, and there is fear that Khartoum, which has been purchasing aircraft and weapons from Russia and China to fill its own arsenal in recent years, may not allow southern Sudan to become independent.

Kenyan government and military officials declined to speak to VOA about the controversy surrounding the seized arms shipment.
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South Sudan? Goodness, imagine how long it would actually take to ship all those tanks there...weeks?
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South Sudan? Goodness, imagine how long it would actually take to ship all those tanks there...weeks?

Maybe a week or longer.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 01:25 AM   #50
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Impeccable sources in Kenya’s military confided that the tanks and other arms — including anti-aircraft guns and rocket propelled grenades — were going to Mombasa only to be off-loaded and sent on to Juba, the South Sudan capital.

The seizure of the equipment, the source said, had put the Kenya Government in an awkward position because it was seen to be in breach of a UN embargo on sale of arms to Sudan....

The stockpiling appears to be linked to next year’s referendum, which will decide whether Sudan remains one unified state or splits into North and South.

In case of a split, the sharing of oil resources could trigger tension between the two new countries.

Investigations by the Nation found that despite repeated claims of ownership of the arms shipment by the Kenya Government, the Department of Defence was finding itself in an embarrassing position because their importing breaks most of its own procurement rules.

“Kenya’s defence policy is non-aggression, not war... our policy is to buy from the West, and that has not changed,” the source said.

The procurement rules, coupled with Kenya’s stated foreign policy and a check with the Ukrainian exporter and shipper, plus sources within the military indicate that the tanks were in fact on their way to transit to South Sudan, in spite of official Kenyan denials....

The Nation established that the tanks started passing through Mombasa last year. On November 2, a train carrying 17 T-72 tanks derailed at Kokotoni about 30km from Mombasa, damaging five of them.

The accident, which happened shortly after 4am, prompted a military security operation at the scene.

The area was sealed off and army officers prevented the press from taking pictures. Then, on January 25, this year, 33 more tanks were ferried by train from the port during the height of the post-election violence....

Unlike in the past when DoD has procured military hardware, this time round, the Nation investigations found no information showing that a technical team or other military personnel from the department travelled to Ukraine to evaluate the T-72 tanks or for training.
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Sounds peculiar. The government spokesman may very well be lying about this.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 04:10 AM   #51
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Mogadishu - Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed on Wednesday sought all-round help to combat piracy off his country's coastline, saying it was further stifling the war-riven country's battered economy.

"I condemn the pirates, who are undermining trade and international maritime traffic off the Somali coast," Yusuf said at a news conference convened for the Eid al-Fitr feast, marking the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.

"They are imposing an embargo on the Somali people and the international community because they are blocking movement between the Mediterranean and the Indian Ocean, which affects not only Somalia, but the whole world," Yusuf said.

Pirates have hijacked about 60 ships in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean this year alone. They sometimes hold the vessels for weeks and release them when large ransoms have been paid.

Bases on shore

The seizure last week of a Ukrainian cargo ship carrying tanks has attracted further international attention on piracy off Somalia, whose waters command access to a route through which around 30% of the world's oil transits.

"We must do everything we can to stop piracy off the coast of Somalia. They (the pirates) have agents and offices on the ground where they bring their ransom money and I believe that some of us work with them," he said.

"I call on the Somali people to fight against the pirates. I also call on the international community to act quickly on what is happening in Somali waters as well as on shore," Yusuf said.

Western navies have dispatched more warships to patrol the area.

A UN draft resolution aimed at further stemming rampant piracy is being circulated.

Piracy combined with a blockade enforced by Islamist militia on Mogadishu airport and near impossible land trade due to ongoing violence have further isolated Somalia. The country has been described by the UN as one of the world's worst humanitarian disasters.
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LOL...as he actually has the power to comment.
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This city receives the most piracy wealth:

Bosaso, Puntland

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I like that song. Would be nice if Somalis actually listened to the words.
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If the Kenyans or Sudanese (Khartoum or southern) want to buy tanks from the Ukraine, that's their business. These Somali pirates aren't going to get very far with a load of T-72s.

If I was more conspiratorial minded, I might even wonder if this might be just another Pentagon-orchestrated set-up to swing the US presidential elections. McCain's family has a long history in the Navy & Obama has strong Kenyan ties.[/QUOTE]
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Somalia never fails to amaze.
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Old October 6th, 2008, 10:40 AM   #57
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I agree, when you think it hits a new low...it goes further.
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Hijacked tanks 'for South Sudan'

Contract numbers include the initials GOSS, thought to be government of South Sudan.


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The BBC has seen evidence suggesting that the Ukrainian ship being held by pirates off Somalia is carrying weapons and tanks destined for South Sudan.

A copy of the freight manifest appears to show contracts for the hardware were made by the Kenyan Ministry of Defence on behalf of South Sudan's government.

This would directly contradict repeated statements by Kenya that the weapons on board the MV Faina are for its army.

The MV Faina is currently surrounded by warships monitoring the situation.

Last week, the Somali government said the ship's owners were involved in direct negotiations with the pirates, who are demanding a $20m (£11m) ransom.

It had earlier been reported that the pirates were firing at each other. The pirates subsequently denied this and said they remained optimistic that a peaceful resolution could be reached.

'Diplomatic embarrassment'

The MV Faina is currently moored off the coast of Somalia, close to the town of Hobyo. There have been conflicting reports about where its cargo was destined for since it was captured two weeks ago.

Kenya has repeatedly insisted that the shipment was part of a programme to restock its military.

Kenya could be seen as playing the same role as Cuba did during the Angolan civil war

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But other sources have said it was instead bound for the autonomous government of South Sudan.

A copy of the cargo manifest given to the BBC appears to confirm that the contract was issued on behalf of South Sudan, although the Kenyan defence ministry is named as the consignee.

Contract numbers for tanks, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and anti-aircraft guns contain the initials GOSS, which is widely used to refer to the Government Of South Sudan.

The BBC's Karen Allen in Nairobi says that this will be a huge embarrassment to the Kenyan government.

Although the import of military hardware is not illegal, it does put Kenya in a tight spot diplomatically, our correspondent says, not least because it was Kenya which helped broker an end to the civil war between South Sudan and the government in Khartoum in 2005.

Military balance

Last week, Western military experts told the BBC that the tanks on board the MV Faina were going to Sudan and that the shipment indicated an arms race between North and South Sudan had begun.


The pirates want a $20m ransom for the MV Faina and its valuable cargo

They are reported to both be building up their forces ahead of a referendum on independence for the South in 2011.

The military experts, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said a previous delivery of tanks had taken place last November.

Helmoed Heitman, Africa correspondent for Jane's Defence Weekly, also said he had reports that more than 100 T-72 and T-55 Russian tanks have been received by the southern Sudanese in recent months.

"If these reports are true, they could change the regional military balance," he told the BBC.

"Kenya could be seen as playing the same role as Cuba did during the Angolan civil war - when they armed the MPLA."

The experts said the tanks would most likely be dug in along Sudan's north-south border, with the tanks using their guns to protect military installations.
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