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Old January 18th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #1921
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Did they announce the runway layout yet? That pic is from 1999.
No, but every indication seems to show that the final configuration at Badgerys Creek won't be too different than what is depicted here.

Do bear in mind that by the time this airport is finally constructed, most planes flying there will likely be far quieter, more fuel-efficient, and cleaner than planes flying to Kingsford-Smith today (let alone at the turn of the century when this study was done).
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Old January 19th, 2015, 12:35 AM   #1922
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Again, it's not a NATIONAL embarrassment. People in Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth don't care.

It's a Sydney issue, not a national one. And it's not that bad. Ever been to some of the older terminals at Heathrow or LAX?
I really don't think anyone in Sydney cares either. If you asked people what was wrong with the airport, they'll probably all say traffic and transport. The international terminal itself is fine.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 04:35 AM   #1923
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I really don't think anyone in Sydney cares either. If you asked people what was wrong with the airport, they'll probably all say traffic and transport. The international terminal itself is fine.
I am from Sydney,I don't really care.

Unlike Singapore, BKK, HK, a major transit hub where I may spent hours there, I do care what they got to offer.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 09:41 AM   #1924
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I really don't think anyone in Sydney cares either. If you asked people what was wrong with the airport, they'll probably all say traffic and transport. The international terminal itself is fine.
Hey, the international terminal is, relatively, pretty good too - sure, developed hodge-podge from a tiny base, but also from fundamentally solid 1970s understanding of terminal design . The domestic terminals are a farce. A level above Eagle Farm, sure, but for all the money spent in the 1990s, still the cruddy legacy of an 80 year old airport.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 12:49 PM   #1925
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Out of curiosity, what do you think is wrong with domestic? Yeah I can see the Virgin/JetStar terminal is a little tired, but it is the cheap end of the market. I don't mind the Qantas terminal at all. And the whole thing shits all over Melbourne.

The only issue I have with Domestic is the constant traffic jam getting in. I think the Qantas Dr and O'Riodan St intersection needs to be grade separated and the public pick-up area completely re-done.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 07:13 PM   #1926
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I don't understand why everyone keeps deviating from the original topic of this thread, but if you insist on talking about the original Sydney airport, please direct your comments to that thread instead.

Thank you.

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Old January 19th, 2015, 08:31 PM   #1927
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Did they announce the runway layout yet? That pic is from 1999.
I don't imagine that the runway alignments will deviate from the 1990's plan. These are the most logical alignments and to change that there would need to be a lot of additional land acquisitioned outside the current parcel.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 07:03 AM   #1928
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Out of curiosity, what do you think is wrong with domestic? Yeah I can see the Virgin/JetStar terminal is a little tired, but it is the cheap end of the market. I don't mind the Qantas terminal at all. And the whole thing shits all over Melbourne.

The only issue I have with Domestic is the constant traffic jam getting in. I think the Qantas Dr and O'Riodan St intersection needs to be grade separated and the public pick-up area completely re-done.

I agree, the domestic terminal is quite good albeit a bit congested at times.. But I've seen much worse in
Brisbane,.. Sydney makes Brisbane domestic look like luxury..
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There is always going to be worse, if we keep on comparing with someone that is worse then us, things will never improve.
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Badgery's Creek or somewhere else? On the high speed rail discussion some talk about preferring Wilton to Badgery's.

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Out of curiosity, what do you think is wrong with domestic?
From a passenger perspective once you're in the passenger terminals, they're fine (because they were both redone essentially from scratch, the Ansett terminal earlier than the Qantas one [so the departure level was bolted on to it] as you point out).

But the supporting infrastructure is just not there because the whole precinct is developed from a row of sheds dating back to the aerodrome days. IIRC the road layout is still partly influence by the former residential estate! So the road infrastructure is extremely cramped and then it has been retrofitted repeatedly. The domestic terminal precinct is intermingled with various other operations including airport operations, freight depots etc. Basically it comes down to it being too small.
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Badgery's Creek or somewhere else? On the high speed rail discussion some talk about preferring Wilton to Badgery's.

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Zoomwoosh prefers Wilton. The Labor govt proposed Wilton but the idea was abandoned a few years ago. Badgerys is now the definitive site.
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There is always going to be worse, if we keep on comparing with someone that is worse then us, things will never improve.

And there is always going to be something better..
Do you think the NSW Government has the resources to continually try to build the best infrastructure especially when you have countries like the UAE and China using airports as a symbol of their countries progressiveness and economic strength?
There's optimistic and then there's realistic...
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This will be the greatest thing that happened to Western Sydney. And it will great for the rest of the country too. Less congestion in and out of Sydney is a boon for that city and a boost to Australia's competitiveness. Just look at how congestion issues at LAX, because they can't sort out that city's airport requirements, has a deleterious effect on the economic performance of the entire US. You can throw JFK and O'Hare into the mix too, albeit with the former undergoing an extensive upgrade within the existing airport footprint.
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And there is always going to be something better..
Do you think the NSW Government has the resources to continually try to build the best infrastructure especially when you have countries like the UAE and China using airports as a symbol of their countries progressiveness and economic strength?
There's optimistic and then there's realistic...
No, but we can always aim to improve.

China has hundreds of airports, I dare say only a few are world class. They lack the management skills to make the best use of its infrastructure.
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