In Italy vehicles are regarded as abandoned not if they stay in the same place for long but:
-if they have no licence plate;
-if they have no insurance windshield sticker or if it's expired;
-if they are very damaged, have flat tyres or lack essential parts to move.
This happens for vehicles parked on pubblic spaces.
Piaggio NRG MC3... To be honest, I'd like to put it, buy some documents and have pleasure of using it. Very decent scooter and good ones still cost 3000 PLN or over (its ~700 EUR).
Rest is not as nice - first is Aprilia Scarabeo 125/150, third seems to be Kymco Movie XL (also 125 or 150), next - I don't know (old Honda Pantheon/Foresight?), and last is Kymco Agility (quite common even in Poland).
Piaggio NRG MC3... To be honest, I'd like to put it, buy some documents and have pleasure of using it. Very decent scooter and good ones still cost 3000 PLN or over (its ~700 EUR).
Rest is not as nice - first is Aprilia Scarabeo 125/150, third seems to be Kymco Movie XL (also 125 or 150), next - I don't know (old Honda Pantheon/Foresight?), and last is Kymco Agility (quite common even in Poland).
Maybe it was abandoned because it had serious problems not worthing repairing. Throw away the plate and abandon it is cheaper to demolish it officially. Or maybe they were stolen. All abandoned scooters you can see plus the Fiat Tipo lay for years within university campus parking lots. In the first pic there are 3 abandoned scooters at the same point.
I was wondering if carrying broken scooters from Italy is simple. You have huge amount of scooters (in comparison with another European countries, excluding France and Spain) and I've seen a few places where cranky ones are stored, but establishing contact with owners of those places may be hard without knowledge of Italian language. And are there some official, maybe police depots, where you may buy something with documents?
I was wondering if carrying broken scooters from Italy is simple. You have huge amount of scooters (in comparison with another European countries, excluding France and Spain) and I've seen a few places where cranky ones are stored, but establishing contact with owners of those places may be hard without knowledge of Italian language. And are there some official, maybe police depots, where you may buy something with documents?
You can buy used vehicles in Italy contracting legally with the owner, bring them to your country with a trailer and register them there. The owner has to do an official "passage of propertry" also when he sell his vehicle within Italy. With abandoned vehicles on public areas with unknown owner the situation is different. They technically belong to police forces that have the right of investigate, find the owner and force it to remove it. Parking a vehicle with no plate or insurance expired in a public street is illegal in every case.
Nobody throws away his money, if one wants to get rid of his old but working car or scooter, he will sell it. Abandoned vehicles have usually serious damages that make economically unprofitable any reparation (vehicles with many kms are sold for only a small fraction of their original value, anyway). Or they are related to criminal gangs who steal vehicles to go around and later abandon them. Sometimes they are disassembled and parts are sold on the black market to mechanics or used to make illegal modifies in other vehicles.
With abandoned vehicles on public areas with unknown owner the situation is different. They technically belong to police forces that have the right of investigate, find the owner and force it to remove it. Parking a vehicle with no plate or insurance expired in a public street is illegal in every case.
I have some plans of driving to Germany, Holland and maybe Italy. (think it's going to be a trip by train this year though)
I have a Citroen with 220.000km on the meter, so it has a high risk of breakdown. Especially at a long drive with 6 people & full load of luggage in the hot summertime.
Let's say the timing belt brakes. I would not spend 2500 EUR fixing the engine, as the car is not worth more than that amount.
I have a couple of choises.
1. Get the car towed away to a scrapyard. (expensive) I have no insurance for towing. But it's possible to scrap my car in any EU-country. There is a special form for that. Allthough the local scrapper wouldn't know that, he probably doesn't like forregin documents and extra burocracy either. Is he forced to take it ?
2. Sell the vehicle on the spot. Takes time, which I don't have while on vacation.
3. Abandon the vehicle. I have read in various forums about that. Some people wrote: Just unscrew the licenseplates and report the car stolen. Take the train/flight home. But the chassinumber could be traced and the police would contact you when your at home. You could also give your car to a "goalkeeper" that is a homeless person who takes over loans and bancrupt companies. He does all kinds of shady businiess for money.
I read in a danish paper about an old Mazda 626, finnish registered car, abandoned in Copenhagen with 1000 EUR of parking tickets on it. I don't think the owner missed that car.
So what would the police do to the vehicle? They take it away, demand a fine, time goes by noone is heard from. Will the fine increase? If the owner is living in a forregin country can they sue him and bring him to court ?
italystf - carrying motos from private contacts in Italy is already popular in Poland. Here is the proof - I've just marked home country as Italy. I have also two good friends with scooters brought from Italy - '97 Yamaha BW's 50 and '05 Malaguti F12 Phantom 50. But I was wondering about those broken ones, which often have no value in Italy, but after repairing may be source of pleasure for someone in Poland.
How you can define scooter as not worth repairing? When engine have no compression or with some bigger faults? I'm asking, because maybe it comes from costs of Italian services and people's incompetence in servicing. My other friend, who has '02 Peugeot Looxor 100 from France, once hadn't the compression in engine and in service he heard that repairing costs 1200 PLN (300 EUR), so very much - but he bought needful parts and repaired it in his garage, what costed 300 PLN (~80 EUR).
If I can repair almost everything by myself, I think that all those abandoned Italian scooters are wasted. And about source of cranky ones - in Poland there are tradesmen, who have contacts with insurance companies in France and carry motos (often with documents) from there for very low money. Is something likely possible in Italy, do you know?
What happens if you really have your car stolen or destroyed in an accident in Russia or Turkey?
And what happens if the police finds your car reported to be stolen with no damaged lock (in your country or in another Schengen country)?
About fines abroad: in the 80s my father went to London with his car. He collected 3 parking tickets (he parked outside the hotel in what he though was a reserved space for guests). He asked a cop how to pay them and he said that nobody could charge him abroad so he threw away them
German towns and cities (especially student ones like Heidelberg) are full of abandoned bicycles, sometimes quite annoyingly being obstacles on narrow streets with even narrower sidewalks... And moreover they are locked to infrastructure such as street lamps or traffic signs. And bicycles don't have registration regime, so it's impossible to find out the owner. So sometimes abandoned bicycles can be even greater problem than abandoned cars.
Umm, those aren't abandoned. If they are locked to something they're generally used by someone. And if they aren't the chance that they were stolen and later ditched by the thief is near 100%. Quite common actually.
Too rusty, dusty and with flat tyres, obviously not used for several months, since they have been locked at this position. Why do you think one cannot abandon something locked? Are all these cars on the pictures in the thread left unlocked? Of course not.
You are just taking pictures of random cars you see on the street, stop that, it ruins the thread!
Most of the cars in your pictures are not even abandoned, many of the cars and just standing parked in peoples gardens/carports and are still registred for trafic here in Sweden and the owners have even payed the taxes for them!
The photo from Väckelsång, the Volvo S40, Rover 400, Volvo 850, Volvo 740 and Fiat 126 are parked outside a garage/workshop, waiting to be serviced?!
(And by the way, last time I saw those yellow ex. postaltrucks they had their licenseplates, abandoned? Don't think so!)
Take pictures of real abandoned cars/trucks instead!
All of the cars/trucks I post are abandoned. Some of them stand in people's gardens, but that's the easiest way to find abandoned cars in Sweden. The cars are still abandoned, not used and written in the license plates registery as abandoned, so yes they are abandoned. The Väckelsång photo, yes I know it wasn't the best I've done hno:
This could be a forregin vehicle. The engine failed (broken timingbelt perhaps)and the owner didn't want to fix it, because it's not worth it. Transporting the car home would be too expensive, so he unscrewed the plates to avoid fines. If the car is from a EU-country he could get it scrapped here.
I wonder what the authorities will do with this car if it's not removed.
Another Ford Escort in the southern suburbs of Sofia, this time newer, but quite more looking like abandoned:
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