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Old April 15th, 2015, 09:53 PM   #12321
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This creates a more level playing field with regular cars, especially those which run on diesel and LPG, where normal users have to pay hefty road tax, but someone driving a 25 year old smoker could drive tax free. That's simply unfair to people who buy clean cars, and promoting environmentally unsound behavior.

There is nothing 'cultural heritage' about a 1980s beater.

The tax free status for 25 year old cars was originally introduced to preserve older cars but it evolved into a large-scale tax evasion. The Netherlands was a net importer of 1980s cars for quite some time.

Note that 40+ year old cars are still exempt from road tax, and that gasoline powered cars between 25 and 40 years old only pay € 120 per year until it is phased out by 2028. It mainly targets diesel and LPG cars.
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Old April 15th, 2015, 09:55 PM   #12322
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Cars have no soul.

A hobby costs money. If you can afford an oldtimer, you also can pay your car-tax. Especially old cars, because of their enormous pollution. If you don't want to pay, sell that oldtimer and start collecting stamps...
Archaeology is not a hobby, it's good for the community. Same as running a museum. Keeping a piece of history alive is good for everyone. Well-preserved old cars are not just "toys", their part of a country's cultural heritage. Treating them just like every other car is neglecting this legacy.

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This creates a more level playing field with regular cars, especially those which run on diesel and LPG, where normal users have to pay hefty road tax, but someone driving a 25 year old smoker could drive tax free. That's simply unfair to people who buy clean cars, and promoting environmentally unsound behavior.

There is nothing 'cultural heritage' about a 1980s beater.

The tax free status for 25 year old cars was originally introduced to preserve older cars but it evolved into a large-scale tax evasion. The Netherlands was a net importer of 1980s cars for quite some time.

Note that 40+ year old cars are still exempt from road tax, and that gasoline powered cars between 25 and 40 years old only pay € 120 per year until it is phased out by 2028. It mainly targets diesel and LPG cars.
I appreciate the fact that oldtimers are still exempt from road tax, but not all youngtimers are "1980s beaters". Many of them are as culturally significant as their 1960s counterparts.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 10:41 AM   #12323
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What a way to ignore a country's cultural heritage.
Really?

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Old April 16th, 2015, 07:05 PM   #12324
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Come on, you picked the worst example you could.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 07:57 PM   #12325
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Hey, one day someone may say "Awwww, my grandma's car"
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Old April 16th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #12326
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If the taxes are justified on environmental basis, there is no justification letting cars that polute 400x more than modern ones in certain output measures off the hook. Vintage or not vintage.

It is also very expensive to maintain WW2 airplanes on airbone condition...
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Old April 16th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #12327
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Depends on how high the tax is actualy. How much is NL tax? How much is tax in S?
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Come on, you picked the worst example you could.
It's actually a legitimate point, given that cars older than 40 years old continue to be exempt from the tax.

2015 - 40 = 1975.

Which means cars built before 1975 continue to be exempt from the tax and cars built between 1975 and 1980 will reach tax-exempt status within the next 5 years.

I really think your cultural heritage argument doesn't fly on this occasion.
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N421, Houten

The new provincial road N421 was inaugurated today. It will open to traffic tomorrow. It links the city of Houten with A12 (to and from Utrecht only). It was a long-discussed project, initiated in the 1990s when Houten started to grow significantly.

North = right


A12 interchange
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why have they built it without access on the other direction? It is not as if Houten dwellers never had a reason to travel to Arnhem...
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There are plans for a connector from Houten to Arnhem, but a connector from Arnhem to Houten would be practically impossible to construct at that location, as they also build the N411 bypass of Bunnik right along side A12. There is no room for an offramp there. They could construct a frontage road along the southern side and connect the Bunnik exit to the new N421, but that would downgrade the free-flow of traffic from N421 to Utrecht.
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N421 Houten-Oost

The new N421 between A12 and Houten on video.

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A12, Bunnik

Motorway traffic management in action on A12.


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