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Old March 2nd, 2011, 06:13 PM   #641
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 11:22 AM   #642
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I'm eagerly awaiting final analysis of the final package. I hope to God they go for just the 5 and 10-car versions, all the other stuff is just silly.

I'm hoping the final package also includes full power electric traction for the bi-modes (ie no diesel top-up required under wires at all) which I believe had been agreed with hitachi (as mentioned in the Foster review?) and is set ready for 140mph.

I'm also interested to see what the plan will be for the ECML, I'm glad emphasis has shifted to the GWML replacements, as originally the plan was to replace the ECML electric units first (ie the newest trains on the network mooted to be replaced by IEP) and the (older by 15 years) HSTs on the GWML and ECML would come after - which made no sense.
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Old March 4th, 2011, 11:21 PM   #643
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Why would the bi-mode need to have diesel top up?
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Old March 5th, 2011, 01:18 AM   #644
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Diesel top up sounds like an absurd idea... there's already 25 kV AC, on which any high speed train can reach 350 km/h... why would any train running there even need diesel top up? SNCF's B81500 and B82500 don't need this either. Why would IEP-trains need it?
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Old March 5th, 2011, 09:23 PM   #645
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The original Hitachi proposal for bi-mode trainsets had ten cars with an electric power car at one end and a diesel power car at the other. Perhaps one electric power car would not provide enough power to drive the whole ten car train.
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Old March 6th, 2011, 10:59 AM   #646
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Yes the original specification by the DfT was stupid. The traction package for the bi-mode 10-car sets had only one of the electric transformer/distributors of which the full electric 10-car train had two. The bi-mode would therefore have had a 2MW electric capability, when the total motor capacity of the train is 4MW. The only way to send more than 2MW of electricity to the motors was by using the diesel generator to top it up.

This is a fundementally stupid concept and was subject to much criticism by the railway press.

Whilst the details have not yet come out, I believe that the bi-mode now features two 2MW traction controls and the generator is now split across the train to underfloor generators, that add up to about half the electric output. The train can therefore no longer need diesel top-up as if under wires the train can draw all it needs.
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Old June 14th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #647
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Route for northern UK high speed rail link revealed

The first detailed map of the planned route of the northern sections of the controversial £34 billion High Speed 2 rail link has been revealed, causing excitement and anger among campaigners.

The proposed route will see trains speeding through countryside in Staffordshire, Cheshire, Warwickshire, Leicestershire, Derbyshire and Yorkshire.

Once open, together with the southern section linking London and Birmingham, journey times from the capital to Manchester will be shortened from two hours, eight minutes to one hour, 20 minutes, while a journey between London and Leeds will be cut from two hours, 20 minutes to one hour, 20 minutes.
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Now, that's not strictly true, as all that the DfT have done is provide maps to what will happen just north of Birmingham.
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Old June 14th, 2011, 07:15 PM   #648
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I see no maps beyond Lichfield.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 06:15 PM   #649
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More than 400 business leaders and entrepreneurs have given their backing to Britain’s proposed High Speed 2 rail route in an emphatic endorsement of the infrastructure project.

Philip Hammond, transport secretary, described a petition backing the scheme as a “huge vote of confidence in our plans” as he launched a campaign in favour of the project on Tuesday at Nomura’s headquarters in the City of London

The plan has attracted controversy because it will cut through scenic Tory-supporting countryside and cost at least £17bn. An anti-HS2 letter, signed by 21 businessmen and Tory politicians, was published by The Daily Telegraph in the spring and attracted widespread attention for its criticism of the “expensive white elephant”.

Yet supporters believe that the “anti” camp, which includes Lord Wolfson, Next chief executive, is dwarfed by the number of business leaders who back the plans.

Mr Hammond said the 400 signatures on the petition showed business believed that better transport links were “vital” to the country’s economic health. “A new railway was always going to create opposition from the people who live closest to it, but this shows the level of national support . . . for more and quicker trains between our major cities,” he said. "A vocal minority are determined to block our ambitious proposals to create a railway fit for the 21st century. It is important that all those who are in favour make themselves heard.”

Those backing the plans include David Frost, head of the British Chambers of Commerce; Dalton Philips, chief executive of Wm Morrison; Lord Marshall, chairman of Nomura; Colin Matthews, chief executive of BAA; Andreas Goss, Siemens chief executive; and Philip Green, United Utilities chief executive.

With 45 days of consultation on the high-speed rail link to go, the pro campaign is making a national effort to garner support for the project, which will cut journey times from London to Birmingham and – eventually – beyond.

David Begg, director for the Campaign for High Speed Rail, said it was time for “people to sit up” and realise the opportunities the link would bring to “millions of people”.

“If we invest today in cities like Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and others in between, we will benefit for many decades to come,” he said.
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Old June 17th, 2011, 12:25 PM   #650
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This map of the northern extensions "has been discovered using information obtained from HS2 Ltd", according to http://www.hs2-ladbroke.net/



I expected it to pass to the West of Wakefield, but instead I should almost be able to see it from my house (assuming I haven't moved by then!).
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Old July 10th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #651
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Nothing more concrete on routes yet? I thought homeowners were already getting worried in certain areas and stuff about compensation was getting started?

They sure seem to be taking forever to get moving...


And is there a counter petition to that stupid no to hsr one?

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Old July 13th, 2011, 11:53 AM   #652
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Had a trip on the domestic HS1 service yesterday... it is superb.

Having a national network of these - properly plugged into the European network would be unreal.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 10:55 PM   #653
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Yorkshire business leaders argue case for high-speed rail

North cranks up its 'yes' campaign citing economic benefits of better and quicker connections, while southern opponents tell Commons Transport Select Committee of 'very marginal benefits'.

Yorkshire's business and civic leaders have spoken of their support for high-speed rail during a top-level business forum. Keynote speaker Professor David Begg, director of the Campaign for High Speed Rail, told the forum that Yorkshire and the north would benefit in terms of regeneration, better connectivity and increased capacity on existing rail lines. He said that HS2 was an opportunity for long-term investment and the need for a strong pro-HS2 voice.

Begg said Yorkshire stands to reap over £2bn in economic benefits from the Government's proposed national network of 200mph trains, known as 'HS2', which will cut the journey time from Leeds to London to just 80 minutes. Including Leeds and Sheffield, the high-speed rail link would connect an area of 6.7 million people and three million jobs. Onward connections to the Tees Valley and Tyne and Wear regions would provide access to a further 2.2 million people and 0.9 million jobs.

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Old July 18th, 2011, 12:43 AM   #654
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Final push over HS2 London-Birmingham high speed rail

Supporters and opponents of a proposed high speed rail route between London and Birmingham are gearing up for the final fortnight of consultation. The public consultation over the HS2 route is due to end on 29 July.

Alison Munro, chief executive of HS2 Ltd, said it was important to get as many responses as possible. Opponent Stop HS2 has opened a new headquarters in Warwickshire, saying the work will become more specialised when the consultation ends.

Co-ordinator Joe Ruskin said the next two weeks would be spent chasing responses, even if it was just getting people to write the word no several times.

Further route proposed

The new HQ in Kenilworth was opened by the town's mayor Dave Shilton, who said HS2 would not only devastate Kenilworth but also Coventry and Leamington Spa and all the places it would pass through without stopping.

Supporters of the scheme, which aims to cut the London to Birmingham journey time to 49 minutes, have said it would benefit business.

Solihull Lib Dem MP Lorely Burt said HS2's economic case for the whole region was overwhelming. "If you look at other countries, they have raced ahead of us, literally, in the provision of high speed rail," she said. "We really do need this."

Last week, Solihull Council re-iterated its support in principle saying there was a need for an HS2 station to serve Birmingham Airport and the National Exhibition Centre.

The route would cut through Warwickshire, going into Birmingham and into parts of Staffordshire. A further route has also been proposed extending HS2 into Manchester and Leeds.
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I really wanna find out where the route is going as I live in Cheshire, south of Manchester!

First the airport's second runway, now this! There aint gonna be much countryside left lol
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This map of the northern extensions "has been discovered using information obtained from HS2 Ltd", according to http://www.hs2-ladbroke.net/



I expected it to pass to the West of Wakefield, but instead I should almost be able to see it from my house (assuming I haven't moved by then!).
The route north of Wilmslow can't be right as it passes through the airport and Styal woods :S
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What's preferable for the theoretical HS2 stretch to Glasgow, to go North from Manchester, or extend the Leeds section to Newcastle and then on to Glasgow, and perhaps Edinburgh as well?

I personally have warm emotions for the Newcastle option, but I confess I have no kind of factual analysis to support my view.
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What's preferable for the theoretical HS2 stretch to Glasgow, to go North from Manchester, or extend the Leeds section to Newcastle and then on to Glasgow, and perhaps Edinburgh as well?

I personally have warm emotions for the Newcastle option, but I confess I have no kind of factual analysis to support my view.
Given the terrain, I think the choices would be either from Leeds to Newcastle, Edinburgh, and then Glasgow or from Manchester to Glasgow.
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Given the terrain, I think the choices would be either from Leeds to Newcastle, Edinburgh, and then Glasgow or from Manchester to Glasgow.

I agree. I also think it makes sense to include a city of the size and significance of Newcastle within the HS2 line, even if it means reaching Glasgow will take a little longer than if the route went North from Manchester.

Incidentally, does anyone else find themselves alternating between being sympathetic to those that are scrutinizing the HS2 proposals and being a complete fascist and saying “**** anyone who’s against the scheme, it’s for the good of Great Britain and the British people!” (Sieg heil…).

I generally maintain a balanced view, but I sometimes drift toward either extreme...
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The route north of Wilmslow can't be right as it passes through the airport and Styal woods :S
It's just a map that a protest group has put together - their source material is legit, but their draughtsmanship leaves something to be desired...
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