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Old June 6th, 2014, 12:37 PM   #1081
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Only a retard would object to this development....
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I can't really see what you could object to really apart from it being out of character, traffic (but it is over 55's accommodation and sustainably located), pressure on health services maybe but i suspect they will provide some of this in house so to speak.

Most likely to get a permission i think.
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I for one am 100% in favour of this
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No building in green belt - no building in town centres - how do you propose the housing shortage is solved ? Mock Tudor semis by any chance
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Old June 6th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #1085
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No building in green belt - no building in town centres - how do you propose the housing shortage is solved ? Mock Tudor semis by any chance
Nah... They don't mind people building, as long as it's in Erdington and Great Barr... Sutton must be left as it is, with it's imaginary world heritage status in the post and all.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 04:38 PM   #1086
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I can't really see what you could object to really apart from it being out of character, traffic (but it is over 55's accommodation and sustainably located), pressure on health services maybe but i suspect they will provide some of this in house so to speak.

Most likely to get a permission i think.
I am not opposed to a scheme on the site and welcome a residential development. I really do like the design of the Brassington Avenue five tower blocks scheme, if it was being built in Birmingham city centre. I just feel it is out of character in Sutton Coldfield and the two larger blocks will dominate the skyline.

I would like to see a scheme which draws on the architecture of the Sutton Coldfield conservation area in the way the architects did at Brindley Place. Just don't feel the current Brassington Avenue scheme works, in my opinion.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #1087
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lol!

I think it looks great and I think they should build it.
One of the general concerns in Sutton Coldfield is that it looks great in the CGIs with all the lovely trees but reality will be something a lot bleaker and cold?

I would be right behind the latest Brassington Avenue scheme if it was proposed in Birmingham city centre. Not opposed to a large scale residential scheme around 28m in height either, just don't think this design fits with the town centre.
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Former Sutton Coldfield Council House redevelopment plans unveiled

Former Sutton Coldfield Council House redevelopment plans unveiled



THE first artist's impressions of the new-look Sutton Coldfield Council House have been unveiled after multi-million pound plans were announced to turn the historic site into luxury residences.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 04:57 PM   #1089
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Birmingham seeks masterplanner for 270ha urban expansion on Sutton Coldfield's green belt

Birmingham seeks masterplanner for 270ha urban expansion on Sutton Coldfield's green belt



Birmingham City Council is on the hunt for a masterplanner for a 273-hectare ‘urban extension’ near Sutton Coldfield.

The development will host up to 6,000 new homes alongside new amenities and sustainable transport links on former greenbelt land to the west of the A38 at Langley.

Aiming to achieve the ‘highest standards of sustainability and design’, the Langley urban extension will feature family-sized housing designed to meet Birmingham’s growing population.
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Old June 6th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #1090
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Are they being advertised as tower blocks? - or super hi-rise living.

I'm not too bothered if there the same or a bit taller in height, in line with the current office block and the large apartment buildings on the hill.

But then, yeah I would prefer a quality low-rise.

Pano I did in 2007.


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I think this proposal is great, better than it lying derelict for the next 5 years.
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I live in Sutton and the problem with some Sutton Coldfilians is that they know what they want but forget that things are already in situ (i.e. Gracechurch) and can't seek reasonable solutions.

Lets face it the town centre is no oil painting and I think this would improve the streetscape of the town centre...even if it is on a crummy bit of land between the ringroad, a multistorey and a railway line.

I support the plans.
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This evening it has been confirmed that Sutton Coldfield is and always has been a Royal Town.

As we all accept there is little economic benefit to this title but in terms of civic pride it is a good feather to have in your cap.

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Andrew Mitchell MP confirms in Parliament: Sutton Coldfield is officially a Royal Town
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VICTORY: Andrew Mitchell MP confirms in the Houses of Parliament that Sutton Coldfield IS a Royal Town.
VICTORY: Andrew Mitchell MP confirms in the Houses of Parliament that Sutton Coldfield IS a Royal Town.
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These are the historic words that saw Sutton’s Royal Town status officially recognised:

Andrew Mitchell MP: Mr Speaker, I would like to thank you for granting me this Adjournment Debate – my first for at least 10 years – on the subject of the Re-assertion of the Royal status of the town of Sutton Coldfield. This debate is particularly timely, Mr Speaker, in view of your own visit to the Royal Town just last Friday when you addressed my constituents in our historic Town Hall.

Over the last year there has been a tremendous campaign throughout Sutton Coldfield to validate, prove and reassert our status as a Royal Town. Not a Royal Borough – for that is a local government structure – but as the Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield. This is a status we were granted many centuries ago during the reign of King Henry VIII.

Since 1974 Sutton Coldfield has been part of Birmingham for local government purposes. This is greatly resented, particularly by my elder constituents who at the time marched and petitioned against the loss of our Borough Council. Indeed the late Edward Heath, Prime Minister at the time, told me that his office received more letters on this matter – in opposition to the change – in the month before it took place than on all other national and international matters.

This change of status inevitably led to a perceived diminution in our individual identity in Sutton Coldfield, and the emergence of a “North Birmingham” entity with which Sutton has never concurred and never accepted.

Of course in Sutton Coldfield we understand that local government arrangements are but a small part of what we are. We remain, in our view, an ancient Royal Town, deeply proud of our heritage and history, and conscious of the fact that local government arrangements, while important, are a relatively modest part of the fabric, nature and activity of Sutton Coldfield. Within the Town, there is a society, an organisation, a charity for almost every enthusiasm and activity one can imagine and many of them continue to proudly sport the Royal connection.

Over the last year or so, Mr Speaker, I have led the Campaign to reassert our Royal status and Royal heritage. Of course we are not seeking something new, nor are we seeking any legal change. We wish merely to reassert something which we claim never to have lost and which we have enjoyed down the centuries: that the Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield bears this title in perpetuity, as clearly documented throughout our history.

The Campaign to reassert our Royal status has been supported extensively throughout Sutton Coldfield and hundreds of people have come forward with evidence to support our claim.

This Campaign has been given terrific support by the award winning and much admired local newspaper – the Sutton Coldfield Observer - under its experienced and respected editor, Gary Phelps, with the support of one of his journalists, Elise Chamberlain – a rising journalistic star who has spent many hours sorting through evidence and braved many a dusty archive in diligently carrying out her investigation.

The Sutton Coldfield Observer energised the search for historical precedent, with local residents of Sutton Coldfield searching through heirlooms and attics and discovering a mounting cohort of evidence which earlier this year we were able to lay before the Cabinet Office Minister responsible for this matter, my Right Honourable Friend the Member for Tunbridge Wells.

The Senior Councillors, including Councillor Ann Underwood and Councillor Margaret Waddington, alongside Honorary Alderman David Roy OBE, former Lord Mayor of the City of Birmingham, and members of the Sutton Coldfield Civic Society, led by Elizabeth Allison BEM, have spent much time and effort researching and investigating our case. My distinguished predecessor Lord Fowler of Sutton Coldfield has given his vigorous support, as has the Lord Lieutenant of West Midlands Paul Sabapathy CBE, another distinguished local resident.

Prior to the delegation from Sutton Coldfield which visited the Minister earlier this year I held a series of meeting with the Garter King of Arms, the College of Arms, the Crown Office, the Cabinet Office and officials at Buckingham Palace. I would like to record my thanks to them all for the sympathetic hearing and helpful advice and guidance which they offered. These matters are both more complicated and more labyrinthine than they may appear – steeped in history and precedent as they are.

Throughout this joint investigation into the history of Sutton Coldfield’s Royal Town status we have found no evidence to prove that our Royal title has been either lost or repealed. Instead we have uncovered a great deal of evidence which shows that Sutton Coldfield was granted Royal status in 1528 in perpetuity.

Although this fact has been taken for granted locally until comparatively recently, documents show that Sutton Coldfield was referred to as the Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield in an official capacity up until 1974. However, under the Local Government Act (1972) to which I referred earlier and which heaved Sutton Coldfield into Birmingham for local government purposes, this point was not addressed. We believe we have now found precedents, not least precedents governing Scottish Royal Towns – which put this right and which I hope my Right Honourable friend will address in his response.

In 1528 Bishop Vesey obtained a charter from King Henry VIII which referred to Sutton Coldfield as “the royal town and village of Sutton Coldfield”. Born at Moor Hall Farm, Vesey became a confidant of the King – a status he managed to maintain throughout his life in sharp contrast to many of the King’s other confidants, who came to a grizzly end, as devotees of “The Tudors” – the brilliant television series – will attest.

As a young priest he was appointed Chaplain to Henry VIII’s mother Elizabeth of York, and when the King acceded to the throne he became a close advisor to him and was rewarded for his loyalty with the Bishopric of Exeter in 1519. He was one of the six Bishops to accompany Henry VIII to the famous meeting with Francis I of France at the Field of the Cloth of Gold in northern France – which at the time, of course, was part of England.

For much of the rest of his life Bishop Vesey endowed and supported his home town of Sutton Coldfield by plundering his Bishopric of Exeter to our very great advantage – an advantage which still benefits us today in Sutton Coldfield through the work of the Sutton Coldfield Charitable Trust, which dispenses largesse to many worthy and brilliant organisations throughout the town.

In the Charter granted in 1528 the following statement is made “And that the same town and village shall for ever hereafter be accounted, named and called, The Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield, in our County of Warwick”.

Bishop Vesey, who still rests in Sutton Coldfield Parish Church, gave the town Sutton Park – the biggest municipal park in Europe. He oversaw the regeneration of the Town Centre – much as we are seeking to do today on the back of Britain’s rescued and newly vibrant economy. He also built our Town Hall in which you, Mr Speaker, spoke last Friday, and founded one of our two grammar schools, which still proudly bears his name. He rebuilt the marketplace to encourage trade, with paved streets, new roads and bridges constructed to promote it.

Sutton Coldfield today abounds with signs of Royal association. Our Royal status is proclaimed in the Arms of Sutton Coldfield. The gold greyhound and red dragon derive from the Coat of Arms of early Tudor kings and were incorporated as a direct result of King Henry VIII’s decision to grant Sutton Coldfield the Charter of Incorporation as a Royal Town.

From that point on Sutton Coldfield had secured its place in our national history. Shakespeare sent one of his best loved characters, Falstaff, to Sutton Coldfield on the way to the Battle of Shrewsbury in Henry IV Part I, when Falstaff says “Bardolph, get thee before to Coventry; fill me a bottle of sack: our soldiers shall march through: we’ll to Sutton-Co’fil’ to-night” (I feel the warm approbation of the Secretary of State for Education upon me at this point, Mr Speaker). It is believed that this mention was a result of the Bard’s family connections to Sutton Coldfield, where it is claimed he had well-to-do relatives residing at Peddimore Hall, a later version of which still stands and was originally owned by the Arden family, relatives of Shakespeare’s mother. The farmhouse has DEVS NOSTER REFVGVM, meaning God is our Refuge, inscribed above the doorway. Given the constant threat to our Green Belt in Peddimore, it is probably quite apt.

A second charter was granted to Sutton Coldfield by Charles II in 1662 which simply restored those powers bestowed by Henry VIII 134 years earlier, and confirmed all of the privileges previously granted.

A third charter, granted by Queen Victoria on 31 December 1885, saw the ancient and Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield become a modern municipal borough, and importantly there is no mention of the Royal Status being withdrawn.

The Royal Town status of Sutton Coldfield was recognised again in July 1928 when on the 400th anniversary of the granting of the Charter by Henry VIII the town celebrated by holding a Pageant. Thanks to diligent local research we have located a printed programme of festivities which includes a letter from Buckingham Palace after His Majesty King George V had received a copy of a Book of the Pageant. The letter reads “In thanking you I am commanded to express His Majesty’s best wishes for the success of the Pageant which has been organised to commemorate the four hundredth year of the granting to the Town of a Royal Charter by King Henry VIII”.

Once again in 1957 the Royal Town status was recognised when Her Majesty the Queen visited the town for the World Scout Jubilee Jamboree. Similarly we have located an official programme of the event which refers to Sutton Coldfield as both the Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield AND the Borough of Sutton Coldfield – which we contend refers both to our status of Royal in perpetuity and to our local government arrangements.

Whilst of course such programmes and details bear no legal status they do, I think, indicate what was a clear popular understanding at the time and significantly one not contradicted or gainsaid by the authorities. Nor are we seeking any legal instrument affirming all that I have said.

So, Mr Speaker, our conclusions at the end of this long campaign, based on extensive research and evidence, based on a case supported overwhelmingly throughout Sutton Coldfield by many thousands of local residents are that in spite of the vast changes our town has seen over more than four centuries, since Henry VIII granted the Royal Charter in perpetuity, there is no evidence to suggest that that Royal Town status has ever been revoked, and we therefore seek reassurance that we can proudly rely on that and use it in a sober and appropriate way forthwith.

Greg Clark MP: Mr Speaker, I would like to congratulate my Right Honourable Friend who has represented Sutton Coldfield for more than 13 years, on securing this important Adjournment Debate and on the Campaign which he has led and which has been so trenchantly supported throughout Sutton Coldfield by his constituents.

I have followed this Campaign with close interest for reasons which I will explain. My interest is of course bolstered by the fact that I represent the town of Royal Tunbridge Wells where we too are proud of our royal connections. I know also that you, Mr Speaker, had the pleasure of visiting Sutton Coldfield within the last few days.

As my Right Honourable Friend has mentioned I had the pleasure of receiving his delegation in Whitehall earlier this year. On that occasion he brought with him others involved in this Campaign and it is clear that the campaigning partnership between my Right Honourable Friend and the editor and journalists on the Sutton Coldfield Observer has developed into a strong and sustained effort throughout Sutton Coldfield which has captured both the enthusiasm and support of local residents. The evidence which the Sutton Coldfield Observer has collected, and the way it was presented to me and my officials, was of deep historical interest to anyone who looks closely at these matters. It also showed the importance which citizens attach to their local heritage and the interest and commitment people feel to the history of their local surroundings. Having been the Minister responsible for Cities in this Government I fully understand that commitment.

My Right Honourable Friend set out the long relationship which Sutton Coldfield has had with the Crown. This began when the Manor of Sutton passed into the hands of the King during the reign of William the Conqueror. The Royal Manor of Sutone gets a mention in the Domesday Book. For reasons that are not recorded, the Crown gave away its royal manor in Sutton Coldfield in 1135. But the fortunes of Sutton Coldfield were revived by John Harman – better known as Bishop Vesey – after lying dormant for some years. Returning from his Bishopric in Exeter to Sutton Coldfield in 1524 to attend his mother’s funeral, it is recorded that Bishop Vesey decided that something needed to be done to regenerate the Town.

He obtained a Charter of Incorporation from the King in 1528 which bestowed on Sutton Coldfield the status of Royal Town. That Charter reads “and that the same town and village shall forever hereafter be accounted, named and called the Royal Town of Sutton Coldfield in our county of Warwick”. This entrusted the governance of the Town to the “Warden and Society of Sutton Coldfield” comprising a Warden and 24 local Suttonians.

As my Right Honourable Friend set out in his speech Bishop Vesey, having secured this royal recognition, set about the regeneration of the Town Centre and gave local people access to Sutton Park by making it a royal forest, allowing Suttonians to use its resources.

Sutton Coldfield’s emblem of the Tudor Rose also finds its roots in Bishop Vesey’s association with Henry VIII. According to folklore King Henry VIII was hunting in Sutton Park as the guest of Bishop Vesey when he was charged by a wild boar. Before the boar could reach the King it fell dead with an arrow through its heart.

The King’s saviour emerged from the woods, and in a scene which might well have been celebrated in the series “The Tudors” which my Right Honourable Friend referred in his speech, was in the form of a beautiful young woman. When she told the King her family had been dispossessed of their property he ordered that restitution should be made to them. To the young woman he personally presented the Tudor Rose, which he decreed should henceforth be the emblem of Sutton Coldfield.

Mr Speaker, having looked carefully at all these matters I fully understand the pride people in Sutton Coldfield feel in their royal heritage and the history of their Town.

As my Right Honourable Friend said, the local government reorganisation of 1974 incorporated – I think my Right Honourable Friend used the word “heaved” – Sutton Coldfield into the City of Birmingham for administrative purposes.

I am a great admirer of that City and as my Right Honourable Friend said many Sutton Coldfield residents have served with distinction in the City of Birmingham. I am looking forward to attending a conference there next month on one of our great civic heroes Joseph Chamberlain organised by the Honourable Member for Edgbaston.

This was not the first local government change to affect Sutton Coldfield – the town became a municipal borough in 1885, and although it was not designated a Royal Borough, the title of Royal Town continued to be used as my Right Honourable Friend has demonstrated.

In this respect there are some similarities with my own town of Royal Tunbridge Wells. There has not been, since 1974, any local government authority called Royal Tunbridge Wells – the newly-formed borough having taken in urban and rural district councils. Nevertheless the use of the town’s Royal title continues.

Our two towns also have more than their fair share of celebrated residents over the years. I note with interest that Sutton Coldfield has been home to much-loved national figures including Sir Roger Moore, the late Arthur Lowe and the HM for Walthamstow.

Tunbridge Wells boasts many pillars of the British establishment such as Sid Vicious, Shane Macgowan and the Honourable Member for Newcastle East.

The case that my Right Honourable Friend and his colleagues have made is that while there is no corporation or similar legal entity that carries the Royal title, there is no reason that the lack of a local council should prohibit the continued reference to Sutton Coldfield as a Royal Town.

I am very sympathetic to the argument that my Right Honourable Friend has made. He will understand, however, that I must be guided by established precedent in an area which is often complex.

I am pleased to tell him that in my researches I have become aware of a clear and helpful precedent.

A number of Scottish towns and Cities are in an analogous position to Sutton Coldfield in that local government reorganisations did not carry forward their royal titles into the names of the new authorities.

The Government clarified in 1977 that notwithstanding the absence of a local government body continuing the royal title

“there is no statutory ban to the continuance of historic titles for other purposes”.

There being no statutory ban, I am not surprised that my Right Honourable Friend and his constituents should wish to use it.

In other words I am pleased to be able to confirm tonight to my Right Honourable Friend and his constituents that there is no statutory prohibition on the use of this historic title. I can therefore confirm that there is nothing to prevent the people of Sutton Coldfield making use of their Royal title despite its lack of technical legal effect.

Mr Speaker, you had the pleasure of visiting Sutton Coldfield just a few days ago when you spoke to Suttonians from the University of the Third Age in the historic setting of Sutton Coldfield’s Town Hall. While you will not have known the contents of this Debate, you had already granted it to my Right Honourable Friend for tonight’s Adjournment.

The results of this long campaign in the Town, which will now appear in the Hansard records of our proceedings will no doubt be read with very considerable interest across Sutton Coldfield.

This debate also brings to a close an uncertainty on this matter which I know will be hugely welcomed by my Right Honourable Friend, Sutton Coldfield’s Member of Parliament, the Royal Town’s much respected newspaper, the Sutton Coldfield Observer, and all in the town.

I commend my Right Honourable Friend and all those involved in his Campaign and I look forward to visiting Sutton Coldfield in due course, not least to deliver my own greetings to its residents from Royal Tunbridge Wells.



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Old June 12th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #1094
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Bloody hell the bloke can talk can't he. Congrats though Royal Sutton Coldfield.
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Royal Sutton Coldfield eh? Next you'll have to pay a toll to some guardsmen to enter their towne.
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Just wait 'til Rowley Regis get in on the game.
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Just wait 'til Rowley Regis get in on the game.
It has a long way to go. The problem I have with Rowley Regis is that I don't really understand what constitutes Rowley Regis. The town centre is actually Blackheath.
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Royal Sutton Coldfield eh? Next you'll have to pay a toll to some guardsmen to enter their towne.

....and what a Royal Town it is too (joke) sorry I have my cynical head on tonight. What a shame it is in the state its in. hardly befitting of the name "Royal". Now Royal Leamington Spa is a proper "Royal" town
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Fair play to them, Royal Sutton Coldfield sounds a bit better.
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Just thought I'd say the Sainsbury's (Four Oaks) on the Walsall Road on the Former Total Garage is coming along a bit! And is causing so much traffic on that road! I don't see the point though when Tesco is literally next door.
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