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Old May 27th, 2005, 01:49 AM   #1
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NIMBYs and the people who agree with them !


Do we give in to NIMBYs too much in our cities ? What can we do to combat these ignorant dinosaurs ? Mostly though, why are so many people in positions of power so seemingly open to giving in to their demands (since even the politicians must know that your standard NIMBY coalition forms only a small fraction of the voting public) ?
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Old May 27th, 2005, 02:16 AM   #2
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Yes....here in Vancouver, NIMBY's are an epidemic.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 02:25 AM   #3
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The biggest NIMBYs we had in Hamilton was the protest against the Red Hill Creek Expressway. That’s a debate that lasted for well over 50 years. Finally now the NIMBYs lost and the expressway will open next year or 2007.

We don't have much NIMBYs regarding urban renewal or stuff like that. Just have a huge environmental activist here.

Oh what the city did with the NIMBYs is that they are suing them all. Suing the federal government ($200 million) for slowing the city down with the expressway, Sheila Copps, past Environment Minister, couple of tree-sitters are all being sued.
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Oh I just checked the news.

Red Hill Court Battle Could Be Avoided

HAMILTON - Hamilton politicians are extending an olive branch.

They've asked legal staff to try to broker an agreement under which the court case against 7-Red Hill Creek Expressway protestors would be dropped, if tree-sitters and other demonstrators agree not to further delay the project.

The seven protestors are charged with violating a court injunction after they entered the Red Hill Valley and held up the project last summer.

Mayor Larry Di Ianni calls it the best of both worlds if a court battle can be avoided, and the city can stay on target to open the highway in the fall of 2007.

If protestors don't agree to a settlement and are convicted they could face a collective fine of up to 200-thousand dollars as the city tries to recover its court costs.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 02:50 AM   #5
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All NIMBYs should just move thier asses to the suburbs!!!! I HATE NIMBYs!!!!! How do you bitch and whine about new development when you live in a city with a population of 500,000+?
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Old May 27th, 2005, 03:29 AM   #6
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Some degree of NIMBY is good. Otherwise you may have a city with no community feel, highways everywhere, towers in the most strange locations, etc.
However, they tend to do more damage then good. They complain about almost ANY tower, ANY highway, and ANYTHING but the status quo in their particular neighbourhood.
Shipping them to the suburbs does'nt work. Then they complain about urban sprawl, right after moving into their brand new home that was built on a farm...lol.
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You actually had people sitting up in trees as a means of blocking the Red Hill Creek Expressway ? That's amazing. Why didn't the cops remove them ?

I recall when the Eatons building was to be torn down here in Winnipeg. People actually threatened to move out of the city if it was razed. Let's see...a giant, ugly, dilapidated warehouse block with no real architectural merit versus the erection of a brand new state of the art entertainment complex....hmmmm?
Fortunately we actually won that battle.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 04:27 AM   #8
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One guy was up in a tree for 112 days, for that he won an environments award lol. I think there are rules where you can't take a protestor down from a tree or something. They were a bunch of nuts, one was complaining she could hear the trees crying at night.

This expressway is going up and down the escarpment which is like a mini mountain so during the construction the guys had to blow up rocks. Well one day one tree sitter got hit with rock debris. The court ruled that it was his fault since he was trespassing in a restricted area.

It's still a mess. One lady with the support of a bunch of anti-expressway and tree huggers is suing the Mayor, who won the last election solely based on the fact he wants the expressway completed, which he could end up being forced out of the mayor’s office. Yesterday he won the vote of confidence in the council.

NIMBY got way too much power.

Personally I think there are some good NIMBYs such as saving historical important buildings. I support that.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 04:36 AM   #9
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Here in Toronto there are a lot of NIMBYs complaining about new tall buildings, particularily condominiums. Many people along the new shepard subway and many inner suburbs complain when anything over 3 stories is proposed. If these people want to live in the city, they have to accept the fact there is going to be tall buildings around. I fully support protecting special buildings, but whole neighbourhoods is going to far. While the beaches is probably one of the best places in Canada to live, it can't stay that way forever.

On the other hand, cities like Paris have very strong NIMBY, and if I lived there I would probably be one of them ;-). So I guess I'm also a hipocrite
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Old May 27th, 2005, 04:45 AM   #10
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Here in Toronto there are a lot of NIMBYs complaining about new tall buildings, particularily condominiums. Many people along the new shepard subway and many inner suburbs complain when anything over 3 stories is proposed. If these people want to live in the city, they have to accept the fact there is going to be tall buildings around. I fully support protecting special buildings, but whole neighbourhoods is going to far. While the beaches is probably one of the best places in Canada to live, it can't stay that way forever.

On the other hand, cities like Paris have very strong NIMBY, and if I lived there I would probably be one of them ;-). So I guess I'm also a hipocrite
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I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of city living : Tall buildings are a fact of live, as are freeways and other infrastructure.

As for Paris...lol,..well we both know that it is a special case so I imagine I also would be a NIMBY over there.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 04:55 AM   #11
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Guys, we need to somehow fight these NIMBY's! We should start a Pro Development team in our cities that encourages progress and development!
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Old May 27th, 2005, 04:58 AM   #12
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Everything In My Backyard?
no seriously, that would be a good idea to have more ppl stick up to developement issues.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 05:04 AM   #13
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I nominate LooselogInThePeg as President of EIMB.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 05:09 AM   #14
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NYMBYs depends on whos backyard they happen to be in and to what degree they infringe on people.

Whether a skyscraper is 50 or ends up 48 floors because of NYMBYism seems rather foolish as 2 floors in a building that tall is just so trivial.

Distruction of natural wonders or settings as well as historical buildings is totally understandable, 2 floors on a skyscraper is ridiculous.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 06:26 AM   #15
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We have to be more vocal! When we see a new tower or project being proposed in our cities, we gotta:
-Let the people in change of this project know that we support it.
-Let the city know that we, the residents, support the project.
-And that we would like to see more projects like these being proposed in our city.

Let's promote and encourage development. The NIMBYs use the exact same tactics to discourage development, so its up to us, the silent majority, so show that we aren't going to stay silent anymore!
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Old May 27th, 2005, 06:42 AM   #16
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Here in Toronto there are a lot of NIMBYs complaining about new tall buildings, particularily condominiums. Many people along the new shepard subway and many inner suburbs complain when anything over 3 stories is proposed. If these people want to live in the city, they have to accept the fact there is going to be tall buildings around. I fully support protecting special buildings, but whole neighbourhoods is going to far. While the beaches is probably one of the best places in Canada to live, it can't stay that way forever.

On the other hand, cities like Paris have very strong NIMBY, and if I lived there I would probably be one of them ;-). So I guess I'm also a hipocrite
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is it just me or are NIMBY's just really ignorant people who dont see the larger picture and only "fight" for what suits them..in other words if a building being to tall pisses them off they....get pissed of lol and could care less or is just ignorant of any good effects that building could be having...such as bringing more business to an area of the city that badly needs it, or boosting the city's international prominance because of its popularity or whatever.....or am i just CRAZA
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Old May 27th, 2005, 01:36 PM   #17
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I nominate LooselogInThePeg as President of EIMB.
My first act as president will be to send all NIMBYs to the gulag....thank you, thank you all.

No seriously, I'm not in favour of reckless development. I just can't stand certain things NIMBYs always do. For instance, they always claim that traffic will become unbearable if a development goes ahead. An example is a development here : There's a highway with residential on one side and industrial on the either. The city wants to put up some residential housing on the other side of the highway. Not alot mind you, just a few three storey buildings. Well, a few people on the other side of the highway are afraid that this will cause traffic jams in their neighbourhood. Huh?

The Red Hill Creek Expressway in Hamilton, in all honesty is a somewhat understandable case of NIMBYism. However, if the land was set aside for just such a purpose in the first place then NIMBYs have no real right to complain about it. They knew there was going to be a freeway there eventually.
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All NIMBYs should just move thier asses to the suburbs!!!! I HATE NIMBYs!!!!! How do you bitch and whine about new development when you live in a city with a population of 500,000+?
True, but eventually development catches up and you have to keep moving...
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The biggest NIMBYs we had in Hamilton was the protest against the Red Hill Creek Expressway. That’s a debate that lasted for well over 50 years. Finally now the NIMBYs lost and the expressway will open next year or 2007.

We don't have much NIMBYs regarding urban renewal or stuff like that. Just have a huge environmental activist here.
There's a big difference between NIMBYS and environmental activists.


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Mostly though, why are so many people in positions of power so seemingly open to giving in to their demands (since even the politicians must know that your standard NIMBY coalition forms only a small fraction of the voting public) ?
Because minority groups always make the biggest noise. If it doesn't bother or concern you, then you are less likely to kick up a fuss.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 03:52 PM   #20
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My reactions to NIMBYism is mixed. It totally depends on who or what is getting fukked by whom or what.

However, I thinking building more expressways now is a dumb move. It's been documented well enough that the oil crisis is on the horizon. When it hits, there's gonna be a lot less traffic (hope you have a bike, start pedalling), removing the need for expressways.
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