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Old December 13th, 2007, 07:09 PM   #221
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Old December 13th, 2007, 07:30 PM   #222
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You know, the location of this new station is very good and strategical. In the nearest future there will be a new big district and the station will be very demanded there.
Does anyone know when the construction may begin and how it will be called.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 08:23 PM   #223
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It seems that Riga wanna bee policentrical city...and more two big center points in one center, it means double policentrical.


ok we are not ready to think about eny underground transport, but does there will bee free spaces in trams, buses, couse railway goes around center ??

Ok it's stupid fantasy about metro/underground tram, i shuld shut up for a some moment, No money, other priorities and so on....


BUT IF THAT'S -- IS RIGA REALLY READY FOR SUCH A BIG PROJECTS??

In my mind absolutly no.

For that money, better make faster high perons, new trains and e.t.c.

Agree with mee or not ?
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Old December 13th, 2007, 08:33 PM   #224
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Can't Riga use EU money for large infrastructure projects?
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Old December 13th, 2007, 09:52 PM   #225
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It seems that Riga wanna bee policentrical city...and more two big center points in one center, it means double policentrical.


ok we are not ready to think about eny underground transport, but does there will bee free spaces in trams, buses, couse railway goes around center ??

Ok it's stupid fantasy about metro/underground tram, i shuld shut up for a some moment, No money, other priorities and so on....


BUT IF THAT'S -- IS RIGA REALLY READY FOR SUCH A BIG PROJECTS??

In my mind absolutly no.

For that money, better make faster high perons, new trains and e.t.c.

Agree with mee or not ?
That is gonna be a private investment
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Old December 13th, 2007, 09:55 PM   #226
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Can't Riga use EU money for large infrastructure projects?
They are useless - I think that they do not know how to do it i.e. Southern Crossing - investment is more than 500mil EUR, not a penny form EU
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Old December 13th, 2007, 10:33 PM   #227
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What are you talking about? I don't know exact original central train station capacity, but I know that in soviet times Latvia had alot more train passengers than we have now (more than 100 million in late 80ties, around 10 million now, correct me if I am wrong). And no one complained back then that station is overcrowded. Half of train station visitors are not even train passengers. They visit only Origo shopping center.
(Disagree with you) Tu gribi teikt, ka tās milzīgās tautas masas, kas ikdienā apgrozās centrālās dzelzceļa stacijas teritorijā un ka ēkā, kas domāta dzelzsceļam, puse cilvēku nāk tikai iepirkties, ir normāli? Varbūt jā, bet nākotnē šīs teritorijas noslogojums tikai pieaugs. Autoosta un dzelzsceļa stacija atrodas pašā centrā, principā Rīgas centrālajā satiksmes un sabiedriskā transporta mezglā un šo funkciju nododot jaunajai stacijas ēkai, centrālās stacijas teritorija, tiktu daļēji atbrīvota no šīs slodzes. Jaunās dzelzsceļa stacijas teritorijā, ņemot vērā platību, var tikt izbūvēta daudz plašāka, ērtāka un funkcionāli pilnīgāka ēka, kas daudz vairāk atbildīs 21. gadsimta prasībām. Manuprāt, pārceļot centrālās dzelzsceļa stacijas funkcijas uz jauno ēku, daļēji un iespējams uz laiku tiktu risināta arī sastrēgumu problēma 13. janvāra ielas rajonā, jo cilvēkiem nevajadzētu speciāli braukt uz centru lai izmantotu dzelzsceļa pakalpojumus. Es te saskatu tikai pozitīvas pārmaiņas!!!

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BUT IF THAT'S -- IS RIGA REALLY READY FOR SUCH A BIG PROJECTS??

In my mind absolutly no.

For that money, better make faster high perons, new trains and e.t.c.

Agree with mee or not ?
Absolutly NO!!! Riga is one of biggest citys in northen region with 720 000 residents, why do you think, that Riga would be not ready for this? I would say, this is just a new central station a little bit further of downtown, just 100 mio EURs

It's always better to decentrelise big city!
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Old December 13th, 2007, 11:03 PM   #228
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Tas kā tu to aprakstīji ir bēgšana no problēmas nevis problēmas risinājums. Ja vajag atbrīvot Centālo staciju no pārmērīgas cilvēku plūsmas ir jāizmet ārā tas kas rada šīs problēmas, proti Origo ar savu stulbo iepirkšanās centru.

Otrkārt es tavā vietā nejustu īpašu optimismu par to jauno staciju, kā korķu problēmas risinājumu, rakstā jau minēts ka to taisās celt privāts investors, tas nozīmē ka viņi gribēs atpelnīt savu naudiņu ievietojot tajā jaunajā stacijā kārtējo shopping centru. Būtība izveidot Origo 2 ar tādām pašām cilvēku masām un korķiem apkārtnē. Atgādināšu ka sava izdevīgā novietojuma dēļ iekšā stacijā Origo skaitās pats apmeklētākais shopping centrs Latvijā. Visai gards kumos ko citi grib atkārtot

Neviens privātais nekads necels sabiedrisko infrastruktūru pa 100 miljoniem ja nebūs taustāms labums.

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Nezinu kur ir paredzēts tas iespējams jaunais dzelzceļa tilts pār Daugavu par kuru runāja Gatis, bet no šī jaunās stacjas būtu jēga tikai ja to celtu kautkur netālu (kā šinī kartē). IHMO! (Nelamājiet mani). Ar vienu jauku dzelzceļa apli pat metro nevajadzētu

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Old December 14th, 2007, 12:05 AM   #229
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Absolutly NO!!! Riga is one of biggest citys in northen region with 720 000 residents, why do you think, that Riga would be not ready for this?
I don't know what do you mean by "ready", but don't you think that we have more urgent problems in Riga than "overcrowded" rail station. It's all about the money and we are not rich.

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Old December 14th, 2007, 01:35 AM   #230
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I don't know what do you mean by "ready", but don't you think that we have more urgent problems in Riga than "overcrowded" rail station. It's all about the money and we are not rich.
Its all about the business - everything, if money on investments are not returned there will be no investments - nor private nor goverment. I am happy that a private company is investing money in a project that will have public benefit. Why are you so jelous that someone is making money and doing business - this is not just a rip-off this an investment that develops currently degredated area. Common, what are we talking abou? Skanstes area have no public transport system - no buses, no "mikrini", no trolleys, trains and no trams. I can see that planned train+buss is well thought out. This is what I am going on about for ages... we need local transports in train stations that will "distribute" people accros (in this case) Skanstes area. If wish them a good luck and will be happy to see one day rail bridge crossing Daugava on the Nortern part and linking it to the airport.

If I would have spare money to invest I would, honestly, try to do the same
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Old December 14th, 2007, 01:52 AM   #231
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I just wanted to say that Riga is not a rich city, so we need to plan carefully before we chose priorities. Somehow I don't believe that private investor will fund 100% of this project. After few months they will probably ask financial help from city or government. I am just a typical Latvian pessimist

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Old December 14th, 2007, 07:10 AM   #232
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I just wanted to say that Riga is not a rich city, so we need to plan carefully before we chose priorities. Somehow I don't believe that private investor will fund 100% of this project. After few months they will probably ask financial help from city or government. I am just a typical Latvian pessimist


Nu tieši tā, privātais projekts nozīmē tikai to ka gala rezultātā nevienam infrastruktūras problēmas neinteresē. Man jau liekas ka vajadzēja no jebkura jaunā projekta iekasēt lielu naudas summu tieši infrastrukturai -- gribat celt? maksājiet.

Šobrīd izskatās ka Rīga akli priecājas pa šo un citiem megaprojektiem, nedomājot par sekām - tb. satiksmes probmlēmām.
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Nu tieši tā, privātais projekts nozīmē tikai to ka gala rezultātā nevienam infrastruktūras problēmas neinteresē. Man jau liekas ka vajadzēja no jebkura jaunā projekta iekasēt lielu naudas summu tieši infrastrukturai -- gribat celt? maksājiet.

Šobrīd izskatās ka Rīga akli priecājas pa šo un citiem megaprojektiem, nedomājot par sekām - tb. satiksmes probmlēmām.
Labāk aizbrauc un paskaties - tā vieta ir "in the middle of nowhere". Gribu redzeet kā tur var būt kāds bizness bez satiksmes pievadiem
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Old December 14th, 2007, 10:06 AM   #234
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Old December 14th, 2007, 11:15 AM   #235
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emm, guys, there is such thing as city development plan till year 2018, if I´m not mistaken, and I have no doubts that projects like this one don´t appear just out of the blue. for any city council it would be a political suicide to support large scale infrastructure project that is absolute disaster in terms of strategic planning. so chill out, my "typical Latvian friends" and may I suggest you to find some time and actually read the plan - http://www.rdpad.lv/rpap/

and one other thing - despite all this anti-establishment hype going on in LV right now, I would like to assure you that there are good professionals, mostly invisible in media, working in RCC and various ministries, agencies, who are pretty seriously committed to doing their job good
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Thanks Can assure that this is absolutely right - there are quite many people who are absolutely devoted to their work in this field. There is lack of experience in many issues which require unique solutions - but if one wants, he overcomes any problems.

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Can't Riga use EU money for large infrastructure projects?
Riga got some support for it's infrastructure - for Northern Corridor, for innercity railway, for some more things. But EU isn't going to cover everything, by far not. And our state politicians don't think that Riga needs to get everything - most financing for infrastructure goes for places outside Riga.
Although the EU support seems big, it does not solve our infrastructure needs - just a bit.
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I don't see a problem if in Central station there are many shops - station looks a lot more lively, interesting. And it's practical too. Would love to see some more lively places like this.
Problem with current Central station is other - there is no place for car parking and there is complicated access for pedestrians because of large streets around the station.

When planning and building new station in empty field all of this can be solved easily. And we shouldn't be afraid of shops - no one is interested to build shops who harm people.

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Nu tieši tā, privātais projekts nozīmē tikai to ka gala rezultātā nevienam infrastruktūras problēmas neinteresē. Man jau liekas ka vajadzēja no jebkura jaunā projekta iekasēt lielu naudas summu tieši infrastrukturai -- gribat celt? maksājiet.
They pay a lot already. They promise to build a railway station with all the whistles and bells of such building. This investment does not create direct income to them. Thus we can regard that construction of railway station with the infrastructure is what they pay for letting them to build shops as well.


Yes, it looks more or less like this. But no one knows exactly - the planning is in early stages
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Yes, I agree with you Gatis. The access to the station must be easy and the station shouldn't have problems with the nearest infrastructure that surrounds it.
The arrangement of a new station is very strategicaly good. That district soon will be popular and populated as well. Besides, that is north centre of Riga, so the new station will be very demanded there. Also I'd like to note that Central Station not so copes with a stream of driving and leaving, so it would be reasonably to build a new one to decrease that quantity of people in the centre.
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I like the station very much. It looks amazing. I hope they will begin the construction soon.
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I like the station very much. It looks amazing. I hope they will begin the construction soon.
Don't hope. Nothing happens "soon and fast" here.
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